Russia-Ukraine War

scottser

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Virgil°

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/icc-arrest-warrants-shoigu-gerasimov-rcna158758

Shoigu and Gerasimov added to the list of war criminals wanted by the Hague.

You'd still have to wonder though. Since both sides are as bad as each other and we just need peace why is it the ICC is only issuing arrest warrants for Russian high command? 🤔Very interesting.

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122300806#Comment_122300806

There can be no peace under a genocidal oppressor.

victor8600

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301375#Comment_122301375

And like in the Game of Thrones, you never know whose head will roll next, but you can be sure many won't survive to the next season.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301199#Comment_122301199

there will NEVER be peace for as long as Russia sticks to its current philosophy re it’s existance. Why, ? In order to maintain its STATUS QUO it must be continually at war/ proxy war or a ‘first cousin of a war with another country/part of a country. The reason is that it is showing to it’s people that they are continually under threat and it demonstrates to it’s people that jit is protecting them - those natzi, the west, those Europeans , etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc come to mindcome to min

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122300806#Comment_122300806

Sorry, I've no idea what any of that means… are you talking in riddles now?

I'll bow out on this one, no interest in going down rabbit holes

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301199#Comment_122301199

More disingenuous posting. Based on your posts here I don't actually believe that you particularly care about 'peace' despite being almost the only one proclaiming it. It's just gaslighting at this stage. No doubt Silverharp will be along now to agree with you and thank your post

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301400#Comment_122301400

I want to see ISIS, in their millions, flooding through Chechnya and heading for Moscow.

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301244#Comment_122301244

1000 field guns is quite a lot - it's possible to fight a war while caring about losses, unlike what we've seen the Russian army doing.

Strumms

and meanwhile I’m earlier watching live championship league snooker on YouTube with a Ukrainian lad Kazakov competing. He’s 19 going on 20. Could he not be back home doing something to assist his homeland ? if not frontline combat, some support function….logistics / transport etc ?

Similar with other sports people….multiples of Ukrainian tennis players playing in Wimbledon qualifiers…..

Strange to see Ukraine and Ukrainians after assistance for everything from everywhere and everyone else but don’t seem too bothered about some of their country folk off galavanting around Europe playing sports during a war.

A war where according to many sources there is already a chronic shortage of troops…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/16/ukraine-convicts-soldier-shortage-war/

Steviemak7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303482#Comment_122303482

Where to start with this.

Actually, I'll leave it.

zv2

Artillery; A report from a Russian

https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1805669707640643604

TheValeyard

Dagestan, again

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1805687614772855181

Markcheese

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292993#Comment_122292993

Why leave the turret on ?

It'd drop the weight massively if the turret were removed ,

But the turtles arent all dumb , the era is relatively useless set back from the "turtle shell "anyway , and if its carrying troops inside the shell they could be goosed by an an era explosion

Last year i thought the Ukrainians should use a seriously uparmoured old tank - with no turret, and mine rollers ,or plows , (possibly even remote controlled ) ,to breach minefields -

Losing half a dozen , otherwise redundant tank hulls to bring valuable armour to bear in close quarters combat could be a very cheap move

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303482#Comment_122303482

Zelensky said if you are not fighting then you must be in Ukraine working, that pays the soldiers, keeps the economy going.

Anything else is undermining the war effort. Unpalatable as that truth is.

wildefalcon

If they win the tournament do they bring the winnings home? I'd imagine so, and pay tax etc on it. What's wrong with that?

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

Oleksandr Usyk beating Tyson Fury is a perfect example of why athletes and artists can be exempt from fighting if they wish to be. You can't put a price on the effect a major win in competition does for morale. russians are just raging they can't flood the world with juiced up athletes now anyway.

Mr. CooL ICE

I think it's important that despite being at war, Ukraine must keep operating as a normal country as best it can under the circumstances. Aside from everyone doing their day-to-day jobs, sending sportspeople and musicians abroad to do what they always do is important in a less direct way than being part of the war effort.

Ukraine's ability to function despite being constant victims of russian terrorism is a massive show of defiance and should be encouraged.

ToweringPerformance

Trouble in the camp

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/zelensky-sacks-commander-killed-more-154357032.html

macraignil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304276#Comment_122304276

If putin saw that a commander of moskovyte forces had not done their job in protecting the troops under their command they probably would be getting a promotion.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304276#Comment_122304276

In fairness he was in command of sending Ukrainian troops across the Dnipro river a while back, with little to no support.

They formed a bridgehead for a bit but it was ridiculous and a suicide mission and I remember reports of huge losses.

Not surprised he’s gone.

Economics101

This has to be a prime example of Russia's gangster regime. Not enough to destroy most of Mariupol, steal what's left as well.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/06/19/russias-latest-crime-in-mariupol-stealing-property

PopePalpatine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304491#Comment_122304491

But Lord Putin promised us peace!

And also salvation from horrific things like rainbow flags and women with short hair, but let's leave it at that.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304276#Comment_122304276

Thanks for your concern.

vixdname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122295424#Comment_122295424

Crimea is a "War Zone", would you go sun bathing in an official war zone ….I think not…Plus….the ATACAMS that got hit were headed towards a legitimate military target….the moronic Ivans shot it down over the beach \ coastal area.

Lastly, Crimea is Ukrainian, so no, Russians should not be having their cheap Sun holiday there….unless they want to risk potentially getting caught up in a cross fire…..and if they do, well that's their fault then.

techman1

"Russia keeps up pressure on front line as Ukraine continues to wait for military aid"

This the header in independent today, but why the relentless negative coverage of Ukraine war by irish and other media, they seem to be going out of their way to present an overly negative angle. Yet on the ground we know that the tide has turned back ukraine favour as plenty of weapons are now arriving and the Russians are being pushed back out of kharkiv area as ukraine now striking into Russia with himars and hitting air defences successfully in crimea.

What is the media at, is I because generally they come from a left wing bias they do not want to see a major defeat of Russia as that would turn all their pre conceived ideas about the rise of China and global South and fall in Western Power up on its head again just like in 1989. The left still have not recovered from the collapse of soviet union

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303482#Comment_122303482

And the Ukrainian football team, why aren't they in the trenches?

And that female Ukrainian fencer, shouldn't she be lending a hand?

Zelensky, I know he's the leader, but if they need troops so badly why isn't he out there fighting?

In fact WhY isnT eVerY SiNglE UkrAInIan FiGhTing?

I'm just asking concerned questions

Avatar in the Post

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303482#Comment_122303482

Sports people portray the human side of a nation, actors also, but Ukrainian actors in the western world would be rare. Whereas Russia do not think Ukraine should exist, a visible presence of athlete's going about their business proves that the world accepts Ukraine as a nation. They do have their role to play.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305153#Comment_122305153

Well they can't all go to the frontlines obviously. But there is a need for lots of support work in Ukraine and really all Ukrainians who have exited the country for whatever reason should be taking a long hard look at their own situation after 2 years. Asking themselves and their communities what can they do to help their state back home. You can't really expect others to help you if you're not prepared to do your own bit.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305088#Comment_122305088

Sorry, but you are utterly deluded if you think the media here has any left wing slant at all. RTE pining for the fall of the Soviet Union? Get a grip.

scottser

Everybody out working and doing their thing means taxes are collected and soldiers are paid.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305238#Comment_122305238

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305301#Comment_122305301

We get it. Most Ukrainians abroad I know are contributing, sending money back home, donating, etc.

If Ireland were attacked in the way Ukraine was attacked, half of you would be abroad. It's an utterly brutal war, people don't want to die in trenches and be tortured and castrated by Russians. And if someone thinks they can all go back and get some cushy "logistics" job, or polish Spitfires to "do their bit", it doesn't work like that.

As a whole they have been extraordinarily brave in the face of a horrendous invasion, it just gets tiresome to see individuals suggesting that every athlete and living being needs to be in the trenches because they suspect that they aren't "doing their bit".

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122302411#Comment_122302411

I'd like to see Chechens in their thousands marching on the Kadyrov mansion and dethroning him and his family…and Chechnya gaining independence.

jmreire

Any Ukrainian competing in any events of any description especially international ones, and flying the Ukrainian Flag is doing their bit to help Ukraine.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305238#Comment_122305238

They are also at risk in a high profile role.

Sadly we know the depths to which Putin goes.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305513#Comment_122305513

Grand but obviously they don't necessarily need to be 'in trenches and be tortured and castrated by Russians'. That's just emotive excuse making. An army needs a whole productive citizenry behind it, fulfilling all sorts of background roles related directly or indirectly to the war effort. Society needs to function behind the lines.

Sending a few bob back to families whilst living abroad is useful I'm sure but doesn't really cut the mustard, does it?

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305750#Comment_122305750

Your concern for Ukraine is touching. Curious that you only seem interested in one very specific aspect of the war though. It's almost as though there's another agenda at play. Almost.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305750#Comment_122305750

During World War Two, there were significant number of British, American citizens employed in producing films, radio output, visiting and entertaining troops and workers in factories.

Participating in international events flies the flag for Ukraine in the world, a flag Russia seeks to extinguish and turn into a puppet state like Belarus.

And this obvious agenda in your posts has gone beyond tiresome. Historically ignorant, patronising and morally dubious. Everyone can see what axe you are grinding here.

SoapMcTavish

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304276#Comment_122304276

And you love it … as usual. Boring.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305750#Comment_122305750

Here's my sentence again in case you missed it

» "And if someone thinks they can all go back and get some cushy "logistics" job, or polish Spitfires to "do their bit", it doesn't work like that."

You are Ukrainian, you go back to help, you can be drafted to the frontlines. You volunteer, where there's a higher chance you get more choice, but you can still end up at the frontlines.

Recruitment and support is always going to be challenging and difficult. However in a situation where the majority of Ukrainians are directly or indirectly helping the war effort already it's strange to see such idealised nitpicking.

Dohnjoe

Almost all soldiers on the Russian border with Finland are now in Ukraine

https://yle.fi/a/74-20093440

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122306050#Comment_122306050

And Russian aplogists still peddle the lie that Russia was fearful of a NATO invasion. Proof positive it was all propaganda.

techman1

If you visited a Moscow flat in say 1975, damn near everything you saw around you would be made in the Soviet system, if not Russia itself. That's no longer the case to nearly the same degree

GGreat point also the Soviet Union had the huge industrial capacity of Eastern Europe, east Germany being the crown jewel of its industrial output. Although the Soviets would also hobble east european countries if they were getting an edge technological over Russia. Famousey east Germany was making great progress in microchips in the 70s and 80s largely through stealing the IP from West Germany. Russia was very afraid that east Germany was passing it out and hobbled their microchips industry. Now Russia still cannot produce microchips itself and this is a major factor in its failing war

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122306221#Comment_122306221

Russia was plundering and using the output of Eastern Europe for its own ends. Treating it as an empire treats a colony. Exactly what they had lined up for Ukraine.

eoinbn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305088#Comment_122305088

Rather than reaching for the conspiracy theory maybe consider whether they are correct?

The Russian momentum has certainly slowed but to say that the tide has turned is an exaggeration.

The Russians still have more tanks, aircraft, helicopter, ammo and soldiers than Ukraine. Ukraine certainly does not have plenty of anything.

Ukraine still has no way to counter the glide bomb treat. Hopefully that will change once more patriot systems are on the ground. F16 might also help but from my basic understanding the Russians still have better fighter jets with longer range.

I don't see how the tide will turn on the ground, at least not for another ~18 months when Russian will likely start to run out of old equipment.

Trump is the wildcard here. His election could swing the war firmly back into Russias favour. Hopefully the debate tomorrow reminds the American swing voters what a dangerous clown show that vile excuse for a human being really is.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305954#Comment_122305954

"You are Ukrainian, you go back to help, you can be drafted to the frontlines. You volunteer, where there's a higher chance you get more choice, but you can still end up at the frontlines."

OK. And? As far as we can see, read and are told Ukraine has an existential threat. Is this correct? This is two years plus on. If one is Ukrainian then presumably they would like to see their state survive and relatives live? I simply don't understand why some here have objections to the idea that citizens might do all in their might to support the war effort and that is surely best achieved by making themselves available to the state in whatever capacity required. Why would anyone object to this?

We've done a lot in Ireland to help support Ukraine, at considerable personal cost to many, less so to others. If other posters here want to retain that level of support, then they need to ensure and watch that it's not abused in any way. That Ukrainians who can help, should be pulling their weight. Otherwise there is a risk that levels of support will fail. It hasn't turned out to be the short term emergency that was originally envisaged.

Besides which we are routinely advised that the Ukrainian army has sufficient man and woman power with reserves needing training etc. But there are surely multiple other roles for ordinary Ukrainians, that can assist with and support the war effort there.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122306089#Comment_122306089

That being said, has there ever been a better time for the Finns to retake that which was stolen from them in the Winter War? 🙂

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122306520#Comment_122306520

People don't necessarily have objections to the idea of 'whatever it takes to help Ukraine', but they can spot a disingenuous post when they see it. So much simplistic conjecture in your post which gives off the impression of someone with a truckload of statistics and evidence to back up their constant refrain of Ukrainians in Ireland sitting on their hands.

The idea that forcing people back to a war zone is some kind of panacea is just that. Ridiculous reductionist reasoning which, if followed through to its logical conclusion would have me asking why anyone in the West who sees Russia's invasion as a threat to their values would not themselves volunteer themselves to the Ukrainian war machine.

'Not my war to fight'… the irony of such a cowardly retort.

We've been over this time and again, and you offer nothing new each time you bring it up after a few weeks of disappearing. Ukraine is well able to handle its own internal affairs. If it wasn't for the fact that new posters might think that ignoring your posts was evidence of people agreeing with you I'd be doing just that right now.

Say my name

Ouch.

A tale of two russian soldiers.

http://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/06/25/a-tale-of-two-soldiers?utm_source=email&utm_medium=briefly&utm_campaign=2024-06-25

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122307008#Comment_122307008

That references 75,000 Russian soldiers killed, just in the context of the 200,000 casualties figure that some people assume means 'killed'. Not sure how reliable that source is?