Russia-Ukraine War

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352162#Comment_122352162

Good, I certainly won't be complaining that she didn't get enough votes. I still think putting your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la when it comes to war crimes on our side is the wrong way to go about it.

Can you give an update on where the left wing alliance stand on in Ukraine/Russia?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352215#Comment_122352215

It doesn't massively matter, foreign policy is pretty much the President's domain.

Multiple potential Ukrainian violations have been highlighted in the past and many more will happen. For the most part someone, be it the armed forces or even the President, have declared they will be investigated and people punished if found guilty. There is also little point in acting shocked that they occasionally happen.

CelticRambler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352215#Comment_122352215

It's an alliance - there are several different points of view on the matter. France's support for Ukraine (or Gaza for that matter) was not a major concern for voters in this election, especially in the second round. You'll have to wait until we see the complexion of whatever government is formed.

vixdname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122350788#Comment_122350788

Do you get double time for working in a bot farm on a Sunday ?

Also, do you get said overtime paid in potatoes, bags of onions or Chinese Yuan ?

junkyarddog

I saw 40+ posts,so thought something had happened.

But no,just a troll with the usual troll BS!🙄

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352420#Comment_122352420

3 pages of absolute shíte and one post with fake info from the Indians who at this stage have as much credibility as the Russians seen as they're coining it refining Russian oil and passing it off as their own whilst buying Russian military junk in the process. Themselves and the Chinese, two peas in a pod.

Say my name

The sanctions are not working.

http://twitter.com/Eva_CZ1/status/1809849137350807634

vixdname

Good to see the far right getting a kicking in the French elections this evening - Moscow not happy - Kyiv happy

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122351923#Comment_122351923

I believe Fr. Dougal McGuire with the news before I'd believe anything from an Indian news channel.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352084#Comment_122352084

Beautifully put Sir.

Aye we got the full Vatnik talking points list today alright. Easily discounted. Russian propaganda, even more than most propaganda, relies on very short memories. It generally seems to run on a monthly cycle. That and throwing as much confusion into the mix as possible. I suspect because that's what worked with the home crowd, so they figured it could be exported. To be fair to them, to some degree it can. EG western conspiracy nuts, who the Kremlin have certainly focused on. If you know/read/listen to any Western conspiracy theorist(Do your own research man!) it's a near certainty they're a recently minted Russian supporter. I know a few in Real Life© and their amnesia and ability to memory hole the past can be quite staggering and not just on this subject.

I always found the Boris Johnson thing laughable and for a few reasons. For a start this is the same Boris who was in bed with "connected" Russians in the UK, even got a peerage for one, who visited ex KGusedtoB high rollers in Italy when he was the UK foreign secretary(unaccompanied) and rattled the UK's intelligence services about his connections so much they went public with their misgivings. Secondly the Boris tale only got trotted out many months after the Russians legged it from Kiev. It took a year before putin said he had documents to prove it, which got memory holed themselves. Their original story was it was a Tactical Feint™. Remember that? It was a big talking point at the time. Russian simps apparently don't remember, though they repeated it ad nauseam at the time. Most of all we know it's 24 karat bollocks because the talks he was supposed to have scuppered continued for a month after he came and went. They hope you forgot that too. Well, it's been a few years…

They've also memory holed the biolabs, the weaponised birds and insects, dirty bombs, gas attacks, German troops in German tanks, a Russian coup that never happened, never you mind, etc. Remember the recent horrific terror attack in Moscow blamed on Ukraine in a roundabout way? Of course you do. It seems they don't any more. Totally off the Vatnik feed.

As for the one of the few consistent lines; whataboutism re America's wars, they hope you forget that post WW2 until the 91 the vast majority of those wars were proxies with the Soviets/Chinese. Post 91 and the Soviet Union falling on its arse America was left with a military hard on and nowhere obvious to stick it, but soon found a few places. Meanwhile Russia in between crazy internal lawlessness and hardship in the 90's was also happy to invade neighbouring nations and kept doing it.

Now I find it interesting in the mindset that it does seem - and we can read that earlier - you'll note your Vatnik makes the distinction between fighting/invading nations at a distance like the US does and invading neighbours like Russia does. The latter is alright and above board, the former a heinous sin. They also have the same blindspot when it comes to the Russian Empire and how it came to be. IE the Brits/French etc were imperialistic bastards because they went overseas to colonise and conquer, but Mother Russia was OK because they went overland. I know a few Russians, like them too, but it's staggering how blind this particular blindspot is.

Say my name

A new high jump record has been set at the Meeting De Paris of 2.10 metres.

Ukrainian Yaroslava Mahuchikh has set a new record from a previous in 1987.

Putin is going dammit she was supposed to be Russian not the non existant country of Ukraine.

Good on ye Yaroslava. Ukrainians, the greatest people in the world.

http://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1809983672692383913

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352516#Comment_122352516

Bear in mind that these are the patches you can see…..Imagine what going on in the places you cannot see……

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352673#Comment_122352673

Ah yeah. It adds to the excitement.

http://twitter.com/sibrealii/status/1732625606976717278

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122350788#Comment_122350788

Anyway, back to work for me

Followed shortly after by 3 more posts from you. Would it be impolite to ask, "Is this your work?"

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352728#Comment_122352728

Darth Putin worthy👏

Brilliant!!

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352516#Comment_122352516

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352516#Comment_122352516

in fairness gorilla tape is amazing stuff

Dick phelan

I have seen numerous reports of Russia getting recruits from overseas, Ethiopia, Cuba for example. Seems they are tricking these people into it by promising them other work and then sending them to Ukraine. Can't say I've much sympathy for anyone willing to go and help the Russians in any capacity tbh. However could this unfortunately be a solution to Russian manpower issues.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353113#Comment_122353113

They can't recruit many like that surely?

Dick phelan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353124#Comment_122353124

Well I saw a news report of long lines at the Russian embassy in Addis Ababa of young men applying for "work visas" so who knows if they are offering enough money to people in the 3rd world I'm sure plenty would take it.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353132#Comment_122353132

Word would get back pretty quick if they were being shipped to Ukraine.

Maybe they know it and are happy to fight for a rouble or two but if this is being done duplicitously I wouldn't think too many would sign up.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352721#Comment_122352721

Oh, trust me, I have personal experience…….

jmreire

Of course its being done duplicitously, what other way does Putin work? Of all of the advertised Job Descriptions on offer, not one will mention anything about front lines in Donbass or any other part of Ukraine. But inevitably, that's where many will end up. There have been several complaints from Countries whose citizens accepted job offers in Russia, only to find themselves fighting and dying for Putin. I think that Nepal recently lodged an official complaint, looking for the return of the surviving Nepalese and compensation for those who were killed / injured. And Nepal is not the only Country to have to do this.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122351432#Comment_122351432

would you be more specific and quantify ‘most corrupt’ in the context of UKr. You see if there are 10,000 countries that are corrupted , one of them as to be the most corrupt and one of them has to be the least corrupt and the other 9998 Are also corrupt but at a level in between these two ‘extremes’ . The difference in corruption between the most and least Could be very small / very insignificant.
So, Engine, could you be a bit more specific?

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353408#Comment_122353408

What the Book of Tankie omits about this talking point is Russia was the second most corrupt. What it also leaves out is Ukraine was improving in the world corruption rankings over the last decade, Russia was getting worse.

You can also tell when scripture is been read from the Book of Tankie; they use the same links. Pre war links, some going back ten years, from the British Guardian a fave among Western outlets.

Steviemak7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353422#Comment_122353422

It was also the Russian influence, historic and recent, that was the root cause of the corruption. Russian tentacles ran deep through the political and oligarch class. As Ukraine started to get more independent and shake off Russian influence the levels of corruption began to wane. This was undoubtedly one of the reasons for Putin's invasion.

keeponhurling

I see this Orban clown is now visiting Beijing. While I generally believe it's good to talk, it's worrying that he's going there to totally misrepresent the EU position on things.

Orban going to see Zelensky to ask for a ceasefire was jaw-dropping stuff. How on earth can that even work ? Ukraine stop defending and Russian troops just waltz into Kharkiv or Kiev for another round of genocide ? Like, he hardly believes that it's a serious option does he?

vswr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353689#Comment_122353689

Hungary are currently in charge of the EU Presidency… Macron did similar in 2022 when the French were in charge.

I don't agree with it, and think it undermines the majority thought of the EU. But hey, diplomacy.

Poland are up next, will be interesting their take on things, but will also depend on the US election results 2 months prior also, I'd imagine.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352516#Comment_122352516

They need to sanction duck tape.

TheValeyard

Once again Russia showing it's true colours with strikes on civilians structures in Kyiv on apartment buildings and a children's hospital.

Let see our house Russian supporters justify this act of brutality and savagery

Rawr

https://bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y1pjk2dzo

Now confirmed also that a Children's Hospital was hit in this strike. I dare any centrist or other flavor of pro-Russia contrarian to come onto this board and somehow defend the actions of a state that would throw dumb munitions into the direction of civilian targets like those.

Come on here, both sides this and see it there is any courage left within your monsterous "convictions".

Jinglejangle69

Utter terrorist state. Putin throwing his toys out of the pram after France and British elections.

When will the world wake up?

Air defense not up to much.

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353766#Comment_122353766

Hey @Luna84 , @engineerws and any other both sidser that wants to weigh in here. Can we get an answer to this?

Did the US or the West or NATO force Russia to bomb a childrens hospital? And if so how? Does it only interest you when Ukraine act in the grey? Genuinely curious to hear a reply to this one.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353780#Comment_122353780

Looks like they used Kinzhal missiles, they fly 10 times the speed of sound and manoeuvre, very hard to hit.

Targeting a children's hospital (after targeting the power-grid nonstop for weeks). They also went after Zelensky's home town. It's not just sheer brutality behind Russian attacks, it's the level of spite.

Hande hoche!

It's astoundingly morbid to target a children's hospital. Those additional air defences can't get there quick enough.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353722#Comment_122353722

it’s notable that he is not visiting other countries that are at a ‘ crossroads’ and that what is happening /not happening in these countries have a bearing - in short and long term- has an effect on the Ru/UKr ‘Special Mission’ and world stability in general eg Georgia ,Sudan, Japan, North Korea, UK !, France, US, Moldova

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Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353906#Comment_122353906

Oh I suspect it's much worse than that. I fully expect that the Russians threw those missiles in the general direction of Kyiv and didn't give a damn where they would hit. Could have hit anyone's home, playschool, park with playgrounds. Any number of things that nothing to do with war, and everything to do with terrorising people.

It is somehow worse because they can't even be bothered to target their victims. They all get to play a grim lottery to see who will be the unfortunate soul to have an Iskander land on their head.

I hope enough of these monsters get dragged to The Hague and spend the rest of their days between the ICC courtroom and their well-earned cell.

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353961#Comment_122353961

Think yours is a fairly accurate assessment. Terror bombing.

TheValeyard

Warcrimes

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1810254615473963192

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353766#Comment_122353766

Utter scum behaviour by Russia and totally inexcusable, a warcrime. You should have also included those who defend Israel destroying hospitals yet now act horrified at this.

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122351417#Comment_122351417

Russia initially said they had no involvement with the troops in Crimea:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-lavrov-spain-idUSBREA240NF20140305/

A year later Putin admits that it was him all along:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796226

Could it be that Russia has been lying this whole time? No, it must be fake news / anti-Russian sentiment!

Russia has a special word for the type of lie you tell when everyone knows its a lie but you have to pretend to believe it - враньё. Putin has been telling this sort of lie about Ukraine for years and it is not considered to be lying by Russians.

On the negotiations, since you're so keen on sources and such, can you give me some reliable sources for the narrative about the peace agreement in 2022? I've been looking for such information for a long time and I can't find any reliable sources. The Russian sources are inconsistent as to whether it was in March or April, whether the agreement was reached or not, who exactly agreed it and whether it was a peace agreement or cease fire. Can you please provide?

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122350654#Comment_122350654

Peace was not given a chance 😂

It's pretty easy - don't invade another sovereign country that is of zero threat to you, and there's your peace right there.

Grade A gaslighting - essentially sucker punch someone, kick them when they're on the ground, and then just as they're getting up start banging on about "can't we all just be friends".

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353961#Comment_122353961

"I hope enough of these monsters get dragged to The Hague and spend the rest of their days between the ICC courtroom and their well-earned cell."

And all their supporters & nationals whether vocal or silent, around the world and here in our own country….. should be hanging their heads in shame and disgrace.

Sleepy

On the subject of the war crime of killing surrendering Russians / POWs. Like all categories of crime, there are greater and lesser crimes. Stealing a loaf of bread is a lesser crime than robbing a bank, which is a lesser crime than rape, which is a lesser crime than murder.

I'd argue that not only is killing surrendering troops (who are part of a genocidal invading force) a lesser crime than bombing a children's hospital, it's an unfortunate but inevitable reality of war.

Sometimes the order to "take no prisoners" has to be given in order to achieve a military objective. The heroes of D Day killed dozens if not hundreds of surrendering Germans on June 6th 1944 and we've just celebrated that event 100 years later.

The the UAF have shown such restraint and that such war crimes seem to be occurring at such low levels in their defence of their country is admirable. Would you give a scuttery shite about the Geneva convention if facing an army that had raped, killed and tortured members of your family? I'm fairly certain I wouldn't, I'd be doing anything I could to kill or maim the kunts.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354195#Comment_122354195

Indeed context is important. In any war, incidents and atrocities will occur, that's a given. However isolated events are very different from systematic ones. To Ukraine's credit they have been extraordinarily restrained in this conflict (under extreme provocation)

Putin apologists ignore the systematic crimes of Russian forces to put on an act of being shocked at any isolated events from Ukrainian forces. All as part of an attempt to equalise them "both as committing war crimes".

It's Kremlin propaganda 101, incredible to still see apparent Irish "free thinkers" not just swallowing it, but parroting it.

Sleepy

Not only does the amount of this drivel we see lend weight to calls to expel or at the least severely restrict the activities of the Russian embassy in Ireland, I'd almost argue we should be looking at severing Russia's links to the internet. Presumably under such a dictatorial setup only a handful of connections to the WWW exist.

How difficult would it be to stop / censor all traffic in and out of Russia?

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353739#Comment_122353739

They will follow the Kremlin line that it was all faulty air defence missiles that fell on multiple hospitals. Despite the fact there's clear footage showing Russian missiles hitting the hospital.

When this is pointed out, they will go with the command center under the hospital tripe. Probably with NATO instructors etc...

Say my name

In siberian news for the morning.

"The main thing for the morning:
—Some parents of school graduates in Nalchik did not stand during the Russian anthem
— “Voenkor” apologized for calling the Chechen formations of “Akhmat” “Tiktokers” who hide behind conscripts
—Orban flew to China on a “peace mission”"

http://twitter.com/SibirPost/status/1810139528201408802

Bobson Dugnutt

Bombing a children’s hospital. This is what absolutely vile and morally warped tankies and far-right Putinbots are defending. Grotesque people.

TheValeyard

This is needed

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1810290449921286245

TheValeyard

Makes a lot of sense. let Ukraine hit those fcking airbases!!

https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1810292794142933457