Russia-Ukraine War

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355852#Comment_122355852

I do wonder if they'll materialise on RT as talking heads. I don't think so somehow, as desperate as the Russians likely are for anglophone supporters to stick infront of the camera, they seem to have at least some better options currently than Daly or Wish.com's answer to Worsel Grummidge.

Specking of Wish.com, I would guess it's more likely that they end up doing something for CGTN / China Daily. Beijing aren't particularly picky when it comes to their European propagandists and their pickings of native English speakers has been slimming lately.

keeponhurling

I wonder what this new military agreement between Ukraine and Poland will mean in practice https://www.euronews.com/2024/07/08/poland-and-ukraine-sign-unprecedented-military-agreement

"Kyiv has committed to exploring new ways of shooting down all Russian missiles and drones in Ukrainian airspace that are headed in the direction of Poland together with Warsaw,"

I wonder how they define "heading in the direction of Poland". Can Polish forces only shoot them down within a certain distance of the Polish border, or can it be done in Eastern Ukraine even?

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355744#Comment_122355744

What about the rest of them? McDonald? Holly Cairns? O'Gorman? Leo? Was Paul Murphy asked for his thoughts on the attack? Any media clips?

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356927#Comment_122356927

"I'm not saying target a whole city like UK did to Hamburg but we should do to the Russians what the UK did to Hamburg"

Fantastic logical argument there fella. PC-gone-mad rant thrown in for good measure. What are you, 14? School holidays?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357244#Comment_122357244

Again, just to be clear… its not 728,000 killed, but includes wounded and captured. Is there any breakdown given? Who do they count as wounded - shrapnel wound? leg blown off? If a soldier is wounded on a few separate occasions over the past couple of years, is he a multi-casualty?

How many are Ukraine claiming as killed now, anyone know?

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357244#Comment_122357244

Well, you have to add on suicides, accidents and the ones shot by barrier troops. That might come to thousands more.

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357600#Comment_122357600

Ah come on now. Don't be implying that anybody not seen on TV loudly condemning this is somehow condoning it.

The Irish position on Russian brutality is pretty clear and consistent, and similar among all the main parties.

The only ones who would even consider condoning the strike on the children's hospital would be possible extremists like Daly or Wallace, but who cares what they think. Are they even elected representatives anymore ? And I doubt even they would condone this.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357657#Comment_122357657

That's my exact point. The poster I quoted selectively picked a few 'left' candidates and implied that they won't condemn the attack. I agree completely with your statement and was just highlighting how he conveniently left off every other political spectrum to suit his agenda.

Paddigol

For context, the Soviet Union 'only' suffered about 10m killed and 14m injured in the entirety of WW2.

Even 1/25 of the losses seems inconceivable given that a) they are fighting just one opponent on the battlefield, b) that opponent has effectively no air force and c) it's only half the time period of WW2.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357683#Comment_122357683

The British had 420,000 casualties from one offensive, the Somme, in WW1.

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357683#Comment_122357683

d) Russia is a fraction the size of the Soviet Union.

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357728#Comment_122357728

They weren’t really “ optional “ wars for either the Soviets or the Brits.
This war is a choice made by Putin. He can stop it any time.
He has nukes. Ukraine will not chase them back to Moscow.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357683#Comment_122357683

Not sure where you are getting your figure from, but you might want to check the sources. I've never seen an estimate of Soviet deaths as low as 10m

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357244#Comment_122357244

Pro-rated for Ireland's size, that would correspond to 25.6k casualties. But then also consider that a significant proportion of those killed were probably released prisoners, foreign mercenaries, or poor people that the rest of their society doesn't care about.

I reckon the number only becomes significant for the average Russian once one of their own circle becomes one of the statistics.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357866#Comment_122357866

Military casualties are in that range I think, which would be the point of comparison with the figures released.

Brussels Sprout

Orwell Road keeping up the nonsense I see

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357987#Comment_122357987

[LOL]"categorically"[/LOL]

phester28

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357987#Comment_122357987

meanwhile in the real world. There are pictures circulating of the actual missile and its a Russian only produced one. Attacks happened during the day so most likely true.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357987#Comment_122357987

ABSOLUTLY unbelievable and Totally incomphresible. The Irish and other governments of a like mind shouldDOSOMETHING re reorganising their RU embassies / reducing embassy staff or whatever. One idea would be for a number of countries to ‘club together’ and amalgamate their RU embassies into one . There must be a massive reduction in services/trade with a lot of these countries and Russia . Things can be reverted back to normal when are behaves itself- whenever and if ever that will be

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357987#Comment_122357987

Oh well, that clears that up. It wasn't Russia.

Must have been somebody else firing missiles at a children's hospital in Kiev.

Roald Dahl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122358261#Comment_122358261

I agree.

There is absolutely no need for an embassy in Ireland. A single embassy for all of the EU in some dreary ex-Eastern Bloc village would be more than sufficient. There is no need to "stay in contact" in order to keep an eye on them because you can take it for granted that Vatniks will only ever be up to no good. That's all they're good for and that's all they have to offer humanity.

I'd also to know more about these notional "Irish citizens" that you hear of still being in Russia; how many of them are KGB goons who were handed a passport after living here for five years or how many of them are useful idiots like that Chay Bowes individual?

Roust them all out, I say!

Brussels Sprout

Looks like the south Asian countries are beginning to wise up with regard to their people being fed into the meat grinder

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122358527#Comment_122358527

Yeah, I'll be honest I was against shutting the embassy at the outbreak of the war, but at this point I don't see any real reason to keep it. It is clear Russia will not normalise relations with the west any time soon and any Irish people still in Russia (as our embassy will 100% be evicted) are pretty much idiots so screw it.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg3mjzyp40go

..

BorneTobyWilde

A court in Moscow has issued an arrest warrant for the widow of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny on charges of extremism

''In response to the arrest warrant, she
posted on X: "When you write about this, please do not forget to write
the main thing: Vladimir Putin is a murderer and a war criminal.

"His
place is in prison, and not somewhere in The Hague, in a cosy cell with
a TV, but in Russia - in the same colony and the same
two-by-three-metre cell in which he killed Alexei."

Sleepy

She's more generous than I. I'd make him endure what so many of his conscripts have: aim a gun to the back of the head and force him to run towards fortified Ukrainian position.

May he die roaring and terrified.

myfreespirit

Murderers who killed children in hospital "are the dregs of humanity" Russian ambassador to Chechia summoned and told to deliver that message to Moscow.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jul/09/ukraine-war-live-kyiv-nato-vladimir-putin-voldymyr-zelenskiy-latest-news

myfreespirit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360027#Comment_122360027

+1 to this ^

Is fuath liom iad, gach uile duine acu.

Loiscreán orthu go léir.

zv2

Nice pictures from Mordor

https://twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1810592611071111353

Say my name

http://twitter.com/blue_eyedKeti/status/1810707367002067100

This is the operandi of Russia from Chechnya, Georgia to Syria.

There's probably a military playbook on when aid is seen to be delivered to rain mortars for the sake of terrorism and nothing else.

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122358553#Comment_122358553

It is an unusual agreement for Russia - they can't really afford to anger India, so they might actually have to follow it.

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

10h ago13.09 CEST

Modi tells Putin that the 'heart bleeds' when children are killed

An update from Reuters on Narendra Modi’s visit to Moscow:

Indian prime minister Narendra Modi told Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday that the death of innocent children was painful and terrifying, a day after a lethal strike on a children’s hospital in Kyiv.

The pointed remark by the visiting Indian leader was an implicit rebuke to Putin, who moments earlier had welcomed him to the Kremlin with a warm statement on the importance of the strategic ties between the two countries.

Ukraine says it has recovered fragments of a Russian Kh-101 cruise missile at the children’s hospital, which was hit on Monday during a wave of Russian attacks that killed at least 41 Ukrainians across the country.

Russia said, without providing evidence, that it was a Ukrainian anti-missile system that struck the hospital.

“Whether it is war, conflict or a terrorist attack, any person who believes in humanity, is pained when there is loss of lives,” Modi said.

“But even in that, when innocent children are killed, the heart bleeds and that pain is very terrifying.”

It was not the first time that Modi has appeared to criticise Russia over its actions in Ukraine. In September 2022, he told Putin that “today’s era is not an era of war”, and Putin said at that time he understood Modi’s concerns.

India, however, has not condemned Russia’s invasion and has taken the opportunity to buy record amounts of discounted Russian oil as sanctions have decimated Moscow’s trade with the west.

Modi should condem russia once he's safely home and cut ties with them altogether

Luna84

I've seen many reports online even from Ukrainian bloggers that the missiles that hit that hospital were rogue anti missile, missiles rather than Russia targeting those places. If my memory serves me this isn't the first time Ukrainian anti aircraft missiles have gone amuck.

I also seen reports they should set the systems up outside the cities to catch the Russian missiles when they are heading into the city so even if they run amuck they will just hit empty spaces.

Makes sense. Madness having these systems in the city centre where rogue missiles can hit hospitals and residential buildings.

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360926#Comment_122360926

Your funny

Luna84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360934#Comment_122360934

How am I being funny. Setting up dangerous missiles in the city centre. Sure that's asking for trouble, set them up on the outskirts to catch them on the way in and if they go rogue they will hit empty spaces. Does that not make sense?

macraignil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360934#Comment_122360934

Don't feed the trolls. It takes quite a sick type of troll to accuse the Ukrainians of attacking their own children's hospital when putin has a record of his military attacking hospitals and the evidence for the contrary troll's argument is a vague claim they've seen some blogs on the internet. Here is a politician pictured at the UN holding some real evidence of russian missile debris being excavated from the hospital site where putin murdered more children and innocent civilians:

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360942#Comment_122360942

Putin could have his forces send a guided cruise missile straight at a children's hospital, and you'd find a way to shift blame away from Putin. Not just that but you'd invent a way to blame Ukraine.

Oh wait, that's literally what you just did..

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360926#Comment_122360926

Link these reports online because they're wrong. There's irrefutable evidence a number of russian missiles hit the city centre.

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360942#Comment_122360942

Another thing that could prevent civilian casualties would be Russia not attacking civilian targets like cities, but since Russia is a terrorist state, that's not going to happen.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SpexZovTjg

Scolded in public, Putin didn't like that I bet.

Say my name

How do you know a russian robot paid account?

Because after all these years of Putin a human would know how Putin operates and knows he's the devil incarnate representative of all the evil of the kremlin and would not try and defend him.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360926#Comment_122360926

Modern air defence missiles have a self destruct mechanism for when it loses a target. Also, you can see from the trajectory of the impact, it didn't look like it was out of control when falling to the ground. Finally, there's pictures of the missile debris, you can clearly see parts that look nothing like an air defence interceptor. It's almost certainly a Russian missile.

The only question is whether it was deliberately targeted at the hospital or not. This doesn't appear likely. The real target appears to be the offices of Zavod Artem, an arms company office 2km away that got hit with multiple missiles at the same time. It's still the fault of the Russians, it was still their missile, regardless of whether it malfunctioned.

wassie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360926#Comment_122360926

...

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360926#Comment_122360926

Would you also criticize rape victims for fighting back the wrong way in a struggle and hurting themselves in the process?

Not that I think a single line of your disgusting, disingenuous Kremlin scutter is plausible.

Not a word from you about the terrorist country actually firing the initial missile at a pediatric cancer ward?

You, are beyond the pale.

Say my name

Russians starve their prisoners of war. They castrate their prisoners of war. They kill their own with sledgehammers and film it for sport. They rape the women of the countries they invade wholesale. Kill those when they get tired of them. They target humanitarian centres such as civic theatres and town halls to kill those civilians sheltering there. They run concentration/filtering camps and eliminate those they see as the enemy. They go through villages and bring the men onto the street and kill them with their hands tied. They target hospitals in Ukraine, Syria back to Chechnya.

That's the life of Putin.

Say my name

Fairly obvious the rabbit hole of obliviation that the Russian state is descending into.

Men shall earn more than women. Women will not back chat to men. Women will only get equal rights if they provide two children to the regime.

http://twitter.com/sotanews/status/1810691297734234549

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360027#Comment_122360027

tbh, for such human excrement like Putin, this is the way to go

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361060#Comment_122361060

What a little squirming weasel Putin is.

Also a coward who acts the big man but when Prigozin was coming for him he fled like a coward in his private airplane.

Now compare that to Zelensky when the Russians were knocking on the doors of Kyiv….

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361060#Comment_122361060

He wasn't scolded at all.

I think Modi has basically sucking up to him. His trade with Russia helps facilitate the war, and by extension these murders of innocent children.

I do understand that the average incomes in India are very low and without fuel and energy etc. they'd have huge problems. But that was not a scolding.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357779#Comment_122357779

Good point!

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360942#Comment_122360942

Look Luna, we know this was a russian missile, we know, you know it was a russian missile. But in a parallel universe where this missile was Ukr, then the blame-fault-responsibility-condemnation is still 100% owned by russia, they invaded another country and history will show russia lost, they paid for all the damage, thats a given. But it most likely will record this war was the catalyst that caused the death and break-up of russia into many small countries. Its just the russians, like yourself, that havent figured this all out yet, but you will. The rot is from the inside out.