Russia-Ukraine War

Jon Doe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411117#Comment_122411117

He may have dragged the US back into 'normalcy'… as for respectability… maybe you should look into the man's career first… I think that if you peer into all of his wheelin' and dealin' throughout the years you'll very quickly loose the need to use words such as 'respectable'. Then again, we shouldn't expect much… he is after all a politician than operates in an environment where a bribe by any other name is not a bribe…

As for the MAGA movement; its leaders rate somewhere between weirdo and scum. Its followers are either grifters or in many cases, in financial distress.

TheValeyard

That sub they hit last year.... Boom, they finished her off.

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1819732177031991723

Jon Doe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460053#Comment_122460053

Glad to see someone appreciates my contributions.

Ah… comrade, don't mistake entertainment for appreciation; they're not the same. And as far as your 'contributions' are concerned, I'm pretty sure most everyone in this forum would rather if you did take up one of those 80 openings in Africa and contributed over there in Africa. Think of it this way: the more gold you get for uncle Putin; the quicker Russia will win; the quicker there will be peace!

Sadly, nobody is paying

Oh really?… Well, glad so see Putin's war chest drying up! :D

but glad to take donations if anyone wants to send me money.

If you're strapped for cash I hear uncle Putin is dispensing thousands of rubles if you're willing to put your signature on a piece of paper… just like that, all your financial problems are gone!

Anyway, it seems nobody here apart from me is disheartened by the warfare in Ukraine.

Disheartened?… Nooo… Sad? Well, yes… Mad?… Oh yes! But more importantly everyone on this side of Europe has a high appreciation for Justice and is actually glad to see Europe weening itself off Siberia's tits and thus avoiding being slowly infected by the Kremlin's corruption. And if the cost of driving a stake thru that cancer is literally throwing money at the problem Ukrainians, well… let's say that there are those of us that are very happy with the outcome of Putin's decision.

I know! I know… You are very 'saddened' and 'disheartened' and 'disappointed'… We all in this forum know this. You see, that's a trait common to all 'comrades'. All comrades were caught by surprise by Russia's corruption's full extent! From my side? I have a cold 6 pack and a bag of chips. I'm all set! xD

PS: hum… interesting… so it seems you don't actually go away for the week… you just stay silent for a week. Monitoring Western Public Opinions are we?…

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460226#Comment_122460226

Don't know why you're calling me a comrade amongst other slurs.

Monitoring Western Public Opinions are we

I'm from Dublin. Never been to Russia/ Ukraine. I don't really get the point of your post or the message you're trying to convey.

thatsdaft

Comrade is a slur? TIL

Jon Doe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460737#Comment_122460737

Don't know why you're calling me a comrade

Oh please! Allow me to explain, comrade! You see, I been reading this thread and whenever I see your name, I know for a fact that I'm going to read an exemplary application of the ideas, principles and techniques described in this article. I mean maybe you are Irish. Maybe you are Russian. I don't know! One thing seems certain: you sure as hell seem to know your way around such techniques - dishearten your 'opponent's' resolve with a constant barrage of bad news, derail your 'adversary's' public discourse, the ever present 'maskirovka' "Russia is infinite; you don't stand a chance" and several other features that I noticed in your discourse… So yeah: maybe you are Irish; maybe you are Russian. You sound 100% Soviet.

amongst other slurs.

This is very interesting. And curious. The last time that I offended someone with the word comrade, that someone was a Russian… The most capitalist bastard you'll ever meet😆, but a Russian nonetheless… It's very interesting that you'd be offended by that word. Second, other than comrade, I'd like to know what 'other' words constitute a 'slur' or an offensive term. Please go ahead and quote me.

I'm from Dublin.

Well, that's something that you can say. However, the only thing that you can prove is that you are in Dublin. But then again, so is Yuri Filatov… 🤔🤨

Never been to Russia/ Ukraine

Oh come on… why not?… You'd feel right at home!! Well… at least in the occupied parts of Ukraine…

I don't really get the point of your post or the message you're trying to convey.

Yes, comrade… there's a lot that you don't understand… ignorance is bliss! That's another aspect that you have in common with the Russian peasantry… Have I told you that uncle Putin has a piece of paper which you can sign and then you make tons of 'money'?… Well, here's hoping that, unlike the Russian peasantry, you don't die ignorant.

TheValeyard

Lol

Jon Doe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460887#Comment_122460887

Are you talking about this? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nggvg1yggo

zv2

Mighty stuff

https://twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1819782550727823582

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460737#Comment_122460737

Nobody gets the point of you repeating Russian lies and propaganda, but it does not stop you.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460954#Comment_122460954

The alarm being Duran Duran - Ordinary World, tops that footage off.

Say my name

A 61 year old man set himself on fire on the second floor of a service center in Moscow on Friday. It's coming after recent previous incidents of people setting themselves on fire in public places in Moscow.

http://themoscowtimes.com/2024/08/02/man-sets-himself-on-fire-outside-moscow-government-service-center-a85917

flutered

from telegram, may be of interest to someone

https://t.me/army_tv/4707

flutered

another one

https://t.me/army_tv/4705

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460737#Comment_122460737

Never been to Russia or Ukraine??? Now that explains a lot! Because I've been to both, and believe me, a month or two in either place would change your attitude and opinion….change it a lot.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461691#Comment_122461691

Can you provide a summary? Since telegram requires a phone number seems dodgy to be exposing phone number to Russian language channel

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458078#Comment_122458078

Thats great news. The Ukrainians had to rush all their best troops to stop the Kharkiv offensive. Thats bad. But then they successfully stopped it. Thats good. And their absence from Donesk did not result in significant gains for Russia. Thats also good.

So cheer up, that Blogger is just trying to be neutral and he only wants a ceasefire and to prevent the loss of human life, much like yourself.

I suppose it can be a bit depressing that Ukraine have such a well oiled and responsive war machine that they are countering everything that Russia throw at them. Since we only want peace, its depressing that Ukraine is being so unreasonable that they wont let Russia win on the battlefield.

However, I think we can take some solace from the fact that Russia has made some peace gestures by scuttling one of its most advanced submarines and then setting fire to its oil reserves and munitions dumps around its forward airbases. Hopefully those Barnderrites will accept this gesture of goodwill and stop fighting so hard to prevent Russia winning and creating more peace than existed before the invasion began.

Say my name

Russians are receiving text messages from a number 117 calling them to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defence. It's being sent on all mobile networks. It's saying that they must sign a contract from the 1st of August that 800 thousand rubles and benefits are available straight away. It's telling them to call the same number 117.

It's no wonder russian posters on this site and elsewhere are getting antsy when they now see they themselves getting messages to follow the great dope Putin which they won't finish him and instead go and get a suicide drone up their ass in Ukraine.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462513#Comment_122462513

Has there been much happening in Vovchansk lately? I'd imagine the city is largely levelled at this point. News on that battle seems to have gone quiet.

rogber

A good weekend for Ukraine in the war, some major high profile strikes. Nice

Mr. CooL ICE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462792#Comment_122462792

Ukraine managed to rig a hydrogen tank to a drone car (made from pieces of decommissioned electric cars) and blew it under a prominent russian firing position.

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462792#Comment_122462792

Seems like bloody attritional war. Russian losses are heavy by all accounts

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462991#Comment_122462991

Not by Russian accounts. Apparently they're unscathed but the Ukrainians are on their knees.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463028#Comment_122463028

By Russo speak, you have to translate the words and sentiments into what they actually mean. This is quite easy, and remarkably accurate, so in this case you simply take the opposite meaning of the spoken or written words, and you get this:' Russia is on its knees, and Ukraine is unscathed! and there you have it!

TheValeyard

Nice

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1820100967628460236

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1820098265863635007

https://twitter.com/KpsZSU/status/1820103921899082029

amandstu

What might they use them for first?

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463500#Comment_122463500

Judging by those missiles I'd say mobile air defense. AIM9 are also significantly cheaper than Patriots. So shooting down cruise missiles and drones is about to get a lot cheaper.

I suspect they'll also be launching HARMs too. Since the HARM work in a fire and forget capacity on F16. And not the jerry rigged preprogrammed HARMS they've been attaching to their aging MIGs.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463527#Comment_122463527

Is it the case now that ,even for those who only half heartedly supported the Ukrainian defense against the Russian attack that any loss by Ukraine would now entail a well trained army that Russia would turn against Europe?

Is Ukraine turning into one of the strongest military powers in Europe ?

thomil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463500#Comment_122463500

As Virgil stated, they’re basically mobile air Defense platforms for the time being. There are likely not many of these aircraft available yet, so I’d guess that the UkrAF will be deploying them in areas where they’re not within reach of Russia. SAM systems until they have enough aircraft so that a loss won’t represent a significant loss in capability, or the loss of a pilot won’t tear a massive gap into your aircrew pool.

That’s also why I don’t think that they’ll be sent on SEAD missions anytime soon. While the F-16 is a qualitative leap forward for the UkrAF, quantity still has a quality of its own, and Ukraine will likely not risk its limited forces.

Markcheese

I assume a lot of training will be on integrating real life information , different radar sources and seeing what's accurate - the recent strikes on airbases and air defense limits Russian air activity , so further for russian jets to travel , giving them less time on target, + more flight time means more maintenance time ,

Of course Ukraine has the same issue, the Ukrainian air force has to operate a long way back from the lines, both to avoid Sam's and su35s , and disperse on multiple sites and forward operating bases - and with the shorter range of f-16 , and longer runway requirement, they'll likely have a lower "dwell time "on target

macraignil

moskovyte military facility hit by missiles in Luhansk region of Ukraine this afternoon:

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-armed-forces-launch-massive-missile-attack-on-enemy-in-luhansk/

flutered

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463544#Comment_122463544

if joke sullivan has his way they wont

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463544#Comment_122463544

Do you mean that if the war ended a well trained Russian army would set its sights on Europe? Or are you asking whether Ukraine, if forced into peace and ceding territory, would turn on Europe?

In relation the first possibility, it is certainly an advantage that large portions of the Russian military that survives the war will have actual combat experience. How many of those soldiers will remain in the army or will be interested in a round 2 in a few years time is hard to say.

Generally, Im not convinced by the argument that the Russian armed forces are stronger now than before the war. They have lost massive amounts of equipment, expended considerable reserves and have a populace who, while not demoralised yet, would generally be happier if the war was over and a new war didnt start.

Russia will continue to pose a military threat to Europe for the foreseeable future and Europe needs to be prepared for same. But they need to prepare to deter the Russians, not prepare for an inevitable war against a strong opponent. They wont have the capacity for another large scale war for some time.

On the second interpretation, I dont see it but then again Im not Ukrainian. I think Ukranians are for the most part thankful to the Western countries who helped them and are not going to turn against them because the West couldve done more etc.

For the same reasons as with Russia, they will not be capable of fighting a high intensity war for several years afterwards, and in any event the hatred of Russia in Ukraine is likely to last for generations similar to Ireland and the British.

So overall the threat to Europe will be low over the next few years. However, that doesnt mean that the threat should be ignored and its far better to invest in military capacity now rather than spend multiples of that in a war later.

Sorry if Ive taken your question up wrong. One thing I will state though is that while there seems to be an increasing view that the West has given Ukraine enough to not lose but not enough to win etc, I think this ignores the substantial amounts of aid already committed/given, from a backdrop of the Western countries indicating in early 2022 that they didnt want to get involved at all and in the current context of budget/deficit concerns, cost of living politics and the need to rearm themselves, I think the Western motivation has been to give the most they reasonably can without seriously impeding their own budgets.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466252#Comment_122466252

My fear is that the defeated Ukrainians will be coerced into helping the Russians and that their expertise will be gang pressed into their attempt to expand into NATO ,and other countries.

Back to the Soviet Union but worse -more aggressive on its borders.

It had crossed my mind that Ukraine might genuinely turn against us if it felt let down (it is the hope that kills you) but that may not be necessary as we have seen what totalitarianism and control of state media/vicious censorship can do to the Russian population and the depths of depravity they have accepted as normal.

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466330#Comment_122466330

Perhaps, but realistically Russia can at best take a level of territory similar to what he has now plus Kharkiv and the remainder of donetsk. They will have to deal with insurgency in these places (which requires leaving occupational forces) and they will have to pay to rebuild or else face an even unhappier populace.

So I dont see Russia taking over all of Ukraine and I dont think that the portion that they might, but also might not, be able to successfully annex long term is worth the cost to their military and budget.

scottser

Russia still holds the nuclear power station at Zaporizhzhia. If they 'lose' this war you just know they're going to blow it up as a monumental '**** you' to Europe. Now I have always baulked at the idea of any EU armed force or NATO putting boots on the ground in Ukraine but if there was ever a valid reason for doing so, taking back that plant is it.

notsoobtuse

I believe Russia will ultimately win in the conflict without high scale outside intervention. Hopefully someone like Trump can broker a peace where Russia gains some minimal amount of territory and Ukraine keeps its autonomy. But I think no deal will happen if Ukraine is allowed to join NATO. That is the only peace I see happening without the loss of countless more lives.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466330#Comment_122466330

The mere mention of Russia, or anything remotely connected to Russia to any Ukainian within at least the 60-70 years, and possibly much longer will elicit a response which could see you or whoever spoke about Russia, flat on your back. And that's in the best-case scenario.

thatsdaft

https://twitter.com/GLandsbergis/status/1820028339114930366

”ordinary Russians”

Prompted by photo of a dismembered ukranian service member Russians are sharing around

Yes Russians are barbaric and responsible for the crimes being committed

TheValeyard

Multiple explosions in Kyiv, air defence active

Jinglejangle69

You would like to think the “ordinary Russian” wouldn’t be happy their country isn’t allowed compete in the Olympics etc and would make them question what Putins war is all about?

They are just as complicit in this insanity.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468433#Comment_122468433

You don't think those who disagree just say as llittle as they can?

Granted those who support the regime above what they feel they are forced to seem either blinkered or loathsome.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468433#Comment_122468433

You have a Kremlin that is teaching/indoctrinating children from a young age that Russia is the greatest country on the planet. They preach how they beat the Germans and took over a % of the world in landmass. All the nationalistic songs beat of this. Putin now is preaching how the rest of the world is fighting with each other and how russia is a bastion of "family values". He can say what he wants and do what he wants to justify being a dictator. He just gets the nationalists and youth groups to do his bidding.

Today there was the annual reading of names of Stalin's executions in Karelia. The Kremlin youth blasted out ww2 nationalistic songs to drown out the name reading. Why? Because they can and are told to do so by the Kremlin. And they want to make Stalin great again. So bullying it will be.

Separately to all this any real opposition in Russia this week have watched a prisoner swap in what was supposed to be a political prisoner swap to Germany turn out to be a Kremlin plant and joke of a person. Their message that got them in prison and now their message in Germany being totally different. And now this person has called themselves the opposition but will spread a mostly pro Kremlin message on tour of Europe.

Suit of Wolves

Roger Waters, in trying to defend Russia, refers to something that sounds like the Maydan coup here at 18:35. I'd like to know what that is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2yv2eePCik

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468497#Comment_122468497

I’ve seen enough that tells me most of Russia are complicit in this illegal invasion.

They are a country of thugs, terrorists and savages.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468597#Comment_122468597

As much as I oppose The Russian Federation and their now openly facist aims to try to subjigate everything that takes their fancy, I'm not prepared to condemn every single Russian man, woman or child for this hateful regime.

I'm basing much of this on readings of history and in particualar the likes of Nazi Germany. A facist minority managed to whip up national fever there to the point where the NSDAP stole power, Hitler essentialy became a King of a technically democratic Weimar Germany and any opposition to all of this was swept away by loyalist paramilitaries & the notion that patriotism and loyalty to Hitler were one in the same. But behind all of that, normal Germans still existed. People who were appalled by what was happening to their country and by the stories of what happening to anyone the state deemed unnacceptable. Some of these people were extremely brave such as Sophie Scholl & The White Rose movement who actually tried to resist the Nazies, often resulting in their very public show trials & deaths.

Not all of them were as brave as Sophie was, but the normal Germans existed and many did live on with the shame of what their country had done. You could say they were guilty of not doing anything, or not stoping the Nazies when they had the chance, and frankly you'd have a point worthy of debate there, but I can understand their sense of hopelessness in the situation. They were often caught in the middle of a storm where death waited for them if they tried to move.

I sense that many ordinary Russians (and by that I mean people with intact moral compases who are just trying to get on with life) may find themselves in the same boat as those Germans I just described. They don't want what Putin is bringing them, and would likely just want this war to end…but they may feel that there have no path to effect change. The "elections" are just to rubber stamp Putin & his party. Any move against the state buys you an express ticket to the frontline in Ukraine, or a slow death in the Gulag system. They may just be keeping their heads down, hoping that one day this will all end and that they and their family will make it out in one piece.

Of course, like with Nazi Germany, the Russian Federation has facist extreemists who do deserve santion and our critism. Be it fully fledged civilian acolites of Putin or the very worst of his armies. These Russians do not deserve understanding and must be made to live with their guilt after all of this.

I want the Russian Federation to be defeated, and want Ukraine to succeed and survive…but I also want any ordinary Russian still left after all of this to have a shot at a normal life. I live in some hope that this centries-long cycle of stupid from Moscow will eventually end.

TheOneDon24

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466252#Comment_122466252

Does France and the UK having nukes not act as a deterrent against Russia, on top of that Poland has a massive and decent army that could do more than hold its own this is all excluding Germany and the rest of the EU taking a real war footing and getting its **** together and of course full force US intervention.

I think the threat would be more in the media spaces that reality.

Imo the Russian army is essentially spent in Ukraine lets be real they cant beat a thrown together rag tag last minute Ukrainian army they would be light work for a well organized equipped force with good use of combined arms.

The biggest danger from Russian imo would be them losing "too quick" they need to lose with good deniability in a sense we need to give them a good off ramp that they can still hold there head high for there fragile egos i think it would be dangerous to shatter that idea that they are a "big dog" in the world.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468594#Comment_122468594

Roger Waters lost his marbles several years ago. Piers Morgan is a bloated, self-aggrandising twat.

That about covers it, I think.

josip

France's nuclear arsenal is more if a deterrent than the UK's because they control it.

The Ukrainian army might have been rag tag in 2014, but by 2022 it had been uptrained considerably.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468799#Comment_122468799

Yes a lot of Russians are a disgrace but the prisoner swap showed just a few of the genuine heroic resistance figures, many more of whom are still in jail are already killed. Claiming all Russians are savages or complicit is just idiotic and the same kind of smearing that people often use to demonise whole groups