Russia-Ukraine War

rolling boh

Russia is such a huge land mass that sowing the fear we would like is not likely in the main cities my concern about this move is can Ukraine cause as much damage as possible but be able to get out without losing their soldiers who must be the more elite ones on this mission .Have Ukraine enough resources to keep fighting on the move hopefully so .

embraer170

It would be great to them make it to Kursk, or at least the road and railway junction south of the city.

thatsdaft

Russians claim an advance of 6KM yesterday

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1823060679273660542

So many questions

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1823033668366991401

RGARDINR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495830#Comment_122495830

I know it's a bit random. Russia must of paid up front for these. You would think 🇮🇷 ran would want to keep them.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495920#Comment_122495920

This is the key task and question and still too early to tell. If they hold territory or inflict massive damage and escape it'll be seen as masterstroke.

On the other hand, if hundreds or thousands of elite soldiers get captured or killed it'll be seen as a big mistake and huge blow to morale.

Hopefully it'll be scenario 1, but who knows

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495978#Comment_122495978

Iran need some manners put on them.

scottser

Anybody got a link to a list of potential Russian military and strategic targets within missile range of Kursk?

They're not fukin about, I'd expect UA to absolutely cripple Russian logistics while they're there.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495989#Comment_122495989

To be fair, the Iranian government need manners put on them. The Iranian people however are golden. Decent, lovely people who, to a man would tell you they hate their regime as much as we do.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496049#Comment_122496049

Tbf about 20% of the population are religious extremists which the government need their support to exist. But the majority don't seem to fond of the brutal islamic dictatorship.

Roald Dahl

I'm feeling very upbeat about Ukraine's jaunt into Mordor.

The Russians have nothing left. I'm certain of it.

The first sign of their utter uselessness was long before the invasion of Ukraine, during the Battle of Khasham of 2018. A gang of 500 Wagnerites and their Syrian lackeys attacked a base with 40 Americans. The Americans couldn't quite believe the stupidity and responded by annihilating them. It is thought that Prigozhin ordered the attack in response to being indicted some days before in the US for election interference.

They say 200 of of them were killed, the Russian and Syrian accounts of course play down the figure. Exactly zero Americans were injured.

We then see the Special Military Operation of 2022 and the shambolic attempt to capture Kyiv Airport, the disastrous convoy of junk on the way to Kyiv, the extermination of the 1st Guards Tank Army and the other "elite" regiments. Then came Prigozhin's unhindered drive towards Moscow, which showed how exposed and vulnerable Russia is internally.

On top of that, their hardware has been proven to be absolutely rubbish.

Essentially, by three days in it was already looking like their invasion would not succeed. Their military is only good at murdering unarmed civilians, in fact they are quite excellent at that, but they are of use to neither man nor beast when it comes to taking on a well-trained and modern army.

They have now nothing in the way of military capability left. They have plenty of OMON, Rosgvardia and Putin's own personal little army, but these craven stay-at-home curs are only good for harassing civilians and will be seen nowhere near the front lines. They will no doubt be used to round up entire villages when full mobilisation is declared, drive them to the battlefield and form blocking units to prevent the retreat of those unfortunate devils.

Putin has massively overplayed his hand, due to his uncontrolled arrogance and lack of intelligence. A fool who overestimates himself and underestimates others, he never once thought that he could also be attacked by Ukraine. It is thankfully a long time since people have referred to him as a 4D chess master. I always thought of him as nothing but a coarse thug, more like the shadowy leader of a gang of child pickpockets than a statesman.

It is over for Russia. It is unclear how long more it will take, but it is over.

I hope I turn out to be right.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496149#Comment_122496149

To me it seems like they may not like the government/system of government but obviously aren't over the moon on having their country attacked because of their government, but there doesn't seem to be any near term possibility of having their system of government replaced.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496183#Comment_122496183

My personal favourite Russian clusterfuck was marching infantry through the forests around Chernobyl and hundreds of them ending up with radiation poisoning. Honourable mention of course to the elite Akhmat forces from Chechnya who are currently displaying their ferocious capacity for surrender and a speed of retreat that is genuinely remarkable.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496183#Comment_122496183

We've predicted the imminent collapse of Russia's military before and we're still here two years later. As ever, we live in hope, but we can't do much other than see how this one pans out. Certainly an interesting and bold move from Ukraine and one that Putin or his generals don't appear to have much budgeted for. It's been the ability to surprise Russia which is one of the things that has kept Ukraine in the fight.

Given the effectiveness of this move so far, it's only a pity that Ukraine wasn't allowed to make this move sooner. Imagine if they'd feinted on last year's Summer offensive, making the same move we're seeing now. Then again, maybe the move couldn't have worked too well without the additional air support they now enjoy, but that's also something they should have been receiving well before now.

CelticRambler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495920#Comment_122495920

You're (still) seeing this as a bit of a mad dash for the nearest decent sized city on the other side of the border. It's far more than that: Ukraine has moved the frontline 20-30km east-ish by exploiting a weakness in local Russian defence. There's no need for them to "get out".

This is very similar to what they did back in 2022 when they managed to break through various defences and drove the Russians wayyyy back from where they were. The Russians never really recovered from that - even today, they're still desperately trying to re-take towns and villages that they previously held, and at great cost.

In addition, there have now been so many Ukrainian soldiers trained in NATO countries - and, presumably, in NATO tactics - over the last two years (not to mention their own impressive drone army) that there's little reason to believe that these raids are being carried out only by the most elite troops. At this stage, the whole army can probably be considered "elite" compared to who and what they're facing.

I would expect that we'll see more attacks at various points along the border over the coming weeks, and a lot of sideways movement, resulting in an easily defended, easily-supplied, band of occupied territory that stays under Ukrainian control for a very long time - at least until they liberate Crimea and the Azov coastal towns. That's when they can invite Putin to the negotiating table.

Say my name

The FSB got the former director of the MIG fighter jet plant thrown in jail for what they say giving information to a former ukrainian partner and giving MIG replacement parts to Ukraine in 2022 when Putin decided he'd like to play soldiers in Ukraine.

Ouch. Even your innovators and who you depend on for your military hardware, think Putin is a dick.

http://moscowtimes.ru/2024/08/08/eks-direktora-zavoda-istrebitelei-mig-obvinili-vgosizmene-iotpravili-vkoloniyu-a138995

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496410#Comment_122496410

Is there a chance that ,if Ukraine holds an area of territory in Russia for a decent length of time that the population (if it remains in place) will turn around and say "Could we stay in Ukraine ?"

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496512#Comment_122496512

Doubtful. I would certainly hope that the Ukrainian soldiers do not brutalise Russian civilians the way that Russian soldiers have done to Ukrainian civilians, but I don't think they're going to turn that pocket of Russian territory into Lviv either.

scottser

Ukraine don't need to hold that territory. They just need to obliterate the airfields, munitions dumps and supply routes that accommodate glide bombs, missile and drone attacks which are used on Ukranian civilian infrastructure while they're there. If they wanted to, they could sweep southwards knocking out Russian defences from behind their own lines and reclaim the occupied regions as they go. With any luck they could finish off with the mother and father of all fireworks displays by taking out the Kerch bridge at midnight on New Years.

scottser

Um, No. That's because Ukraine are knocking out military targets, and not children's hospitals and residential apartment blocks. Or raping women and children, torturing POWs, murdering civilians en masse or stealing property.

Cnt.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496866#Comment_122496866

To be continued?

:-)

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496183#Comment_122496183

Kudos, loving the positivity

RoyalCelt

Ukraine in one week captured as much of Russia as they did of Ukraine for the first half of 2024.

rogber

Away from the battlefield, a sad reminder of how war brutalises men and as always women pay the price for it. One more reason to get Russia off Ukrainian territory and end the war as soon as possible

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/13/women-war-combat-ptsd-ukraine-domestic-violence-gender

thatsdaft

Daft thought but maybe the Russians won’t so readily surrender if they were treated better by their own?

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1823049175216402736

Meanwhile it sounds like FSB have also been bumped off the command of the counter attack (as have the army) and control given to an old Putin bodyguard, awaiting confirmation.

White House offers a solution

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1823231950678643040

thatsdaft

Today on “ordinary Russians are not responsible”

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1823279689131024805

At first, Ilchenko was kept in Melitopol for several weeks and tortured together with other prisoners. According to RSF, the Russian military connected electrodes to the genitals of the prisoners and intimidated them with staged executions.

"This is the first time, in nearly forty years of defending journalism, that RSF has documented a journalist, blogger or whistleblower subject to total slavery and forced to participate in a war effort against their own country," said RSF head of investigation desk Arnaud Froger.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497464#Comment_122497464

Your obsession with these random 'ordinary russians' posts is as odd as that fella who's obsessed with deporting Ukrainians back to the war. It's up there with the fellas in the other immigration threads who post random links to offences committed by asylum seekers to try and convince everyone that there'll all as bad as each other. It's a bit weird.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497505#Comment_122497505

The meme that Russians are not responsible for all the atrocities being carried out by Russians needs a garlic stained stake driven through its heart

It is not Putin who is single handedly carrying out all of these atrocities and prosecuting this war

But so called salt of the earth “ordinary Russians”

BTW Russians to this day blame all Germans for the atrocities they committed during WW2 and put a blind eye on the raping and pillaging their own lads did all they way to Berlin

Let’s say Putin is killed tomorrow and the war and atrocities continue, what then? You put the blame on the new guy on top and wave away all the millions who “are just carrying out orders”?

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497519#Comment_122497519

What do you have to say about the thousands of Russians in prison or on trial who actually did protest the war? The lawyers who defend those people in court? Are they guilty too in your eyes? Lack of differentiation is always borne of hatred and reveals a lot about the person propagating it

rogber

Trump's latest comment in the war:

“Russia defeated Germany with us, and they defeated Napoleon. You know, they’ve been around a long time. They’re a big fighting force, and it’s very unfair … We’re in a very bad position. And I’m not going to blame, exclusively, but I can tell you, I could have stopped that."

Fingers crossed for Harris....

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497553#Comment_122497553

Those are clearly a minority of extraordinary Russians

The majority of “ordinary Russians” are too busy and too happy committing crimes in meantime, as Putin can’t single handedly be everywhere all at once in person to himself pull the triggers or connect torture equipment to genitals in person or push people out of windows or assault own soldiers or rape prisoners

The meme that most Russians are passive observers three years into this war is by now bordering on a joke

nigeldaniel

Another post to park here.

junkyarddog

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1823262923973652552

🤣🤣

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497034#Comment_122497034

ISW saying real figure is closer to 800km than 1000km, but still very impressive. Hope they can hold it for as long as needed.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496049#Comment_122496049

And that's how I found them to be too when i was there. Lovely people trapped in a religious hell hole, where the Ayatollah and his Mullahs wield absolute power through pure savagery, behind a cloak of religion.

ZeroThreat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495558#Comment_122495558

Zelensky or at least some of his military commanders seem to have been reading up on some Sun Tzu lately….

“If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it.”

CelticRambler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496512#Comment_122496512

In a word: no.

Initial reports suggest that the vast majority of the population has been relocated to the Motherland, where they'll continue to drink the Kremlin Koolaid. If or when they return to the region, they'll have a Kremlin-approved opinion about the state of the place - if it's been turned into an apocalyptic hellscape by the Russian airforce, that'll be the fault of the Ukrainian nazis; if things are still much as they were when the refugees fled, that'll be because the Russian Army valiantly chased out the hohol horde before they could ransack the place.

The odd few that remain will be living in occupied territory according to the rules of an occupying force, so they're unlikely to experience the best of what a westward-looking Ukrainian lifestyle would bring them. The most we (or they) could hope for would be for the Ukranians to facilitate the election of Ukrainian/EU-friendly local governers who might then start talking about wanting some autonomy from the new Soviet Union … but how's that going for Belarus or Georgia?

Say my name

More on this.

http://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1821975216547123405

 The two men who attacked the old man were 62-year-old lawyer and Moscow realtor Alexander Golovnin and his 30-year-old son, unemployed Mikhail Golovnin.

http://nemoskva.net/2024/08/11/takih-kak-vy-nado-sdavat-a-ya-by-sdelal-eshhe-hleshhe-svidetelstva-ochevidiczy-napadeniya-na-pensionera-dmitriya-grinchiya/

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497847#Comment_122497847

BBC says 1000km^2

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2lmr29ygjo.amp

ZeroThreat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497913#Comment_122497913

Considering the size of both Rusisa/Ukraine that's next to nothing. For comparison, the area of such a tiny place as our own country is over 70,000 square km

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497972#Comment_122497972

So in other words 9 month's of all out Russian attacks have gained next to nothing.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497519#Comment_122497519

I'm really struggling to know haw to respond when you seem to have absolutely zero ability to differentiate between ordinary people and murdering scumbags dressed in military fatigues.

There is no meme, unless you've gotten lost down some wormhole on the internet, or are completely missing the point. I genuinely doubt you have any real world experience of any of the stuff you're lecturing everyone on.

I'm not going to go down the wormhole with you on this as its just a distraction from the actual atrocities that the Russians are committing in Ukraine. It's a load of nonsense of a non-debate.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497972#Comment_122497972

Most of Russia is a wasteland and my post was aimed at poster who dismisses anyone who doesn’t post BBC articles who then proceeded to do just that himself

ZeroThreat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498005#Comment_122498005

When UAF makes it as far as mount Doom let me know… I hear that the plains of Gorgoroth are difficult to cross 😉

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498002#Comment_122498002

”Ordinary Russians” not wearing fatigues

https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1819591729021858015

Ordinary Russians in Kursk in 2022

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1513177247603216387

Ordinary Russians with cars that say “to Berlin, for German women”

https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/status/1823075205537005788

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497555#Comment_122497555

As far as I can see, the only options available to Trump or any other US President are:

1. Increase US aid to Ukraine
2. Decrease US aid to Ukraine
3. Keep it around the same

I don't think any of those options can end the war, at least not with any certainty.

No. 1 might end the war sooner, 2 might prolong it.

In any case, no way will the Ukrainians or Europeans support a Ukrainian surrender. Russia are already showing signs of being very stretched for resources.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497913#Comment_122497913

Actually it doesn't (nice try, though...). BBC says Ukraine claims to control 1000km, but today said the ISW thinks that's an exaggeration and reality is closer to 800km.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cm2n77mvrz4t

TheValeyard

I dont think this is the main UAF force but rather a recon group

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1823318584610754726

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498067#Comment_122498067

If Trump gets in it will be option 4. Remove all US aid for Ukraine.

Putin is waiting to see if Trump gets into power, if he does, he'll most likely do a deal to extricate Russia from the war. It will be an absurd deal which Ukraine and Europe will reject, in response Trump will cut support for Ukraine - then blame Ukraine for "not wanting peace".

Which is why the current move by Ukraine to take Russian land is smart (and if they can hold a portion of it)

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495979#Comment_122495979

Most military analysts seem to be saying that this incursion into Kursk can only be temporary. The Russians will do whatever it takes to kick them out.

But the Russians also were going all-out to capture Bakhmut, Avdivvka or Kharkiv.

With Ukraine now having better air cover, as well as the ability to strike behind enemy lines, surely it won't be easy to simply expel the Ukrainians? Especially if they have time to dig in. Russia might also be more hesitant to just bomb the place to the ground.

Also - doesn't Russia have to now focus more resources than before in protecting its own borders ? It was complacent up to now. They don't want to lose another 1000 POWs on a similar type raid.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496866#Comment_122496866

he sounds like a chip off the old block - the Trump block