Russia-Ukraine War

Field east

He is a very impatient man. He has to wait until China NK , Iran have independently verified the actual situation before commenting on it. They will have to use a very good and up to date Oxford Dictionary to come up with the form of words to ‘ express their opinions’ which will have to be in favour of Russia - those Ba—_ards of Natzi UKranians!!!!!!!!

Say my name

Pensioners of Kamchatka protested after they read reports of free fish being given out at different points and then it never materialised. The pensioners demand to know where their fish is.

http://twitter.com/sibrealii/status/1823281924648960221

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498019#Comment_122498019

Right, enjoy your hyperbolic wormhole. I'll just click ignore and try to enjoy the rest of the discussion on this thread.

TheValeyard

The Polish are terrifying the Russians in Kaliningrad lol

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1823345742498455865

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498097#Comment_122498097

It seems as though the Russians spent so long beating their nuclear chest that they got swallowed up in their own hubris, dating as far back as Stalingrad, that nobody would dare to encroach on their territory again. Complacency is a b*ch.

Interesting how with all the saber rattling about nuclear apocalypse over the last few months and years that this incursion we're calling it, hasn't resulted in the promised nuclear over-reaction by the Kremlin. Comforting I guess to know they aren't completely insane.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498002#Comment_122498002

I'm really struggling to know haw to respond when you seem to have absolutely zero ability to differentiate between ordinary people and murdering scumbags dressed in military fatigues.

There also needs to be a differentiation between women and children, and men, minding their own business, protesting the war, etc. and the people building bombs and supporting it whole heartedly. Something about laying in the bed you've made. This is the same distinction made in another nearby conflict in the world, where the combatants on one side do not at all wear any military fatigues, and are still murdering scumbags, and still supported by a good chunk of their population. The difference there is the murdering scumbags in fatigues on the other side of that conflict (with broad but not total support of their civilians) who indiscriminately bomb the **** out of all civilians on the other side of the conflict, lest 1 or 2 of hundreds of them be 'terrorists.'

Now forgive me if I'm a bit slow here but are the Ukrainian incursion forces committing such atrocities, indiscriminately targeting civilians or have they essentially confined their activities to military targets, manufacturing facilities, the power grid and military adjacent infrastructure etc? I don't even know if the incursion force is uniformed, and I'd say if they were my money is on them wearing slightly used Russian uniforms if anything.

beggars_bush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497972#Comment_122497972

Well it's 1000 sqkm more of Russia than Ukraine had last week!

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497860#Comment_122497860

Iran is one of the few islamic countries in the region that you could see being a democratic state in time, probably the only one to be honest.

TheValeyard

Russia must really be struggling

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1823354090480382412

keeponhurling

^ and Belarus just hand it over, of course

denismc

People are saying 1000km2 is nothing, For context Co.Dublin is 950km2, to capture that heavily militarized area in under a week is pretty impressive imo.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498809#Comment_122498809

the amount of km2 is meaningless, whether its 1,000 or 10,000. What's important is the bloody nose that Russia has received, the knock to morale, the dilemma of redeploying troops, the psychological impact of being invaded, and the populace seeing their military as powerless to stop it.

It's one thing to have a war in a foreign country, another to have it in your own back yard.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498874#Comment_122498874

The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.

• Arthur Travers Harris

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If (big if, but not beyond realm of possibility) Ukrainians do manage to hold onto these lands for more than few months

I fully expect the Putin brigade to tell us “Oh Kursk was never Russia” just like they now insist there was no attempt to drive on Kiev and few months ago on Kharkiv

eoinbn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498809#Comment_122498809

It wasn't heavily militarized, that is exactly why Ukraine attacked it.

Whether it is 800 sq km or 1200 sq km isn't all that important.

Some of the the important questions are:

What is the quality of those positions? Can they be defended?

How many personal will Russia have to redeploy from the front to retake it? How many will they redeploy to defend other parts of the front that aren't well defended.

Will the redeployment of troops create opportunities in other parts of the front?

Will Russia deploy the same tactics in Russia as they do in Ukraine?

At the very least Russia will have to use a large amounts ammunitions/mines on Russian soil rather than Ukraine.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498889#Comment_122498889

They only have to hold it for 2 months until the Rasputista starts in October. There will then be little change in the front line before April 2025. The Ukrainians definitely intend holding the taken ground. It's their insurance policy against Trump appeasement.

TheValeyard

Boom

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1823362181724786969

Brussels Sprout

What do people reckon is the medium term plan here for the Ukrainians?

The more Russian land they take the larger the new internal Russian front-line is going to be, the harder it will be to defend it. They also increase the length of their supply lines the further they go into Russia. Essentially they will run into all of the same problems that Russia ran into themselves when they first invaded in 2022.

At some point will they stop, dig in and build fortifications?

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499047#Comment_122499047

I recon plan is that they don’t want to be bogged down in trench warfare which favours Russian meat grinder tactics

• Trench warfare they have to have a K:D ratio of 3:1 so not to run out of men
• With “raid” rapid movement and “trap” warfare they can probably kill and capture much more Russians for smaller number of men whom I suspect rather do this than rot in trenches

Russian system is not able to think fast and adapt due to its self imposed political constraints, neither can they have another mobilisation without causing more issues for Putin, we’ve already seen both army and FSB gain and lose Putin’s confidence in containing this in last week

I suspect the second shoe is yet to drop, we don’t know how many operatives and what equipment Budanov used to hide in the panic and outflow of civilians, I would not be surprised if there is an uptick in strange sabotage operations in surround oblasts, which will put further manpower demands on Russians as their country is simply too big to defend everywhere, especially against opponents who speak same language and look same and know the culture

TheRepentent

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122496334#Comment_122496334

Not only were the dumb fuks marching but also digging trenches😕

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499047#Comment_122499047

I would imagine they'll smash and grab until there's a sizeable force coming their way, then mine the area and retreat back to Ukrainian borders.

Hopefully rinse and repeat somewhere else until Rus has to pull frontline troops back to defend the home country.

thatsdaft

Sounds like them drones need to start dropping rat poison into every stream and lake along the front

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499116#Comment_122499116

This is what it looks like to me…. get in somewhere relatively easily, cause a bit of havoc & force Russia to react in the only way they can (losing lots of men & equipment), then when it looks like Russia can finally brute force the region back under control (losing even more men/equipment, as well as pounding the sh1t out of the area with artillery), then the very mobile AFU units simply pull out, leaving some nice surprises behind.. Then just go again somewhere else, and wait for the inevitable meat waves to come at them, get some nice target practice and pull out….. The more they kill in Russia the less they'll have to kill in Ukraine…

And as someone above mentioned, it would be very motivating for any AFU soldiers getting picked to go over the border…

Maybe Ukraine want to try force Putin into a general mobilisation.. as once the middle class kids of Moscow & St. Petersburg start dying in fields of nothingness, hopefully Swan Lake might quickly follow…

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499122#Comment_122499122

Just need to poison one to put the fear into them

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499172#Comment_122499172

Is that not a war crime?

yagan

The most important psychological impact of Ukraine invading is scrambling the Russian military dynamic from attack to not being sure where to defend next.

Logistically for Ukraine the priority of this attack is the least amount of casualities in return for maximum chaos for Russia.

It would undermine Russia confidence even more if Ukraine suddenly retreated but then invaded again somewhere else by surprise.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498691#Comment_122498691

Yes, Iran is about the only state who may have a chance of escaping the clutches of Radical Fundamentalist Islam, and that's because they remember a pre-Islamic revolution Iran and would dearly love it back. If they succeed, (and I hope they will) that will be the last time Religion of any shape size or description will be allowed anywhere the Iranian Ballot boxes. It will become the most secular country in the world, with Constitutional changes that completely rule out any kind of religious participation. If or more likely when that happens, I could see massive retaliation against individual Mullahs and their Mosques.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498019#Comment_122498019

and what about those ‘ordinary Russians’ that came out in Dublin /surrounds with their slogan Ed cars supporting Putin and his war????

scottser

There were quite a few glide bomb assaults today and yesterday by the Russians. I was hoping that the incursion might facilitate better targeting of those airfields and munitions storage depots now that Ukraine are a little closer to them.

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jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499122#Comment_122499122

If the shoe was on the other foot, its what the Russians would do, but Ukraine, I doubt it….its against the Geneva Conventions for one thing, and so far, Ukraine has been holding the moral high ground, and rightly so.

jmreire

Yes, it is a war crime. Not that the Geneva Conventions ever caused any loss of sleep for Putin or his regime.

Say my name

The bot farm posting on X is fairly intense from the Kremlin. Posting app links with shaded pictures just so you'd click and be caught in some cyber way.

It's another reason it'd be a bonus if the whole Kremlin were on a bus and the bus went off a cliff. Elon could be on the roof when it happens.

Avatar in the Post

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499199#Comment_122499199

personally, in a situation where war crimes are committed against you… think as depraved as your cozy life allows… and all available means of getting the rats out of your state are morally acceptable, imo.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499350#Comment_122499350

Does the Geneva Convention apply equally to the party to a conflict that is the aggressor and to the party that is the aggressee?

To hard to pin down the distinction?

To my untrained eye it feels like the aggressee shoukd be able to use any necessary force since it is in self defence but I doubt that a law can be framed to reflect that moral position.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499350#Comment_122499350

Russia not only withdrew in 2001

But regularly use chemical weapons in Ukraine (and Syria)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Protocol

briany

It would be awfully unfortunate if Lukashenko were suffer some unexplained calamity that took him out of the political picture and pushed Belarus into revolution. Russia would need to apportion even more forces to put that fire out.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499456#Comment_122499456

Him falling out a window would make quite a mess.

jmreire

Meanwhile, back in Kursk…

https://x.com/i/status/1823370909454864870

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498094#Comment_122498094

Are you speculating that Trump and Putin would do a "deal" and announce "peace" without the involvement or consent of Ukrainians? Shows what a dangerous sh*t Trump is (never mind Putin, who we know about already).

TheValeyard

Russian paranoia only grows

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1823413865939378216

ejmaztec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498691#Comment_122498691

Iran was a democratic state in 1953 but MI6 and the CIA organised a coup because they didn't like policies of the newly elected leader, I believe the root cause of the disagreement was the usual oil based one. The Shah was installed as the puppet leader and was ousted when Iran went to pot again in 1979. There's a long history of the West feckin up that neck of the woods. Iran would probably still be a democratic state if the British and American hadn't interfered all those decades ago.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499541#Comment_122499541

I would be surprised if he didn't try that.

I assume that would be his direction of travel.

EltonJohn69

:)

expectationlost

Zelenski called it an 'exchange fund'

https://twitter.com/mikkolaakso/status/1823418092837363930

prisoners or land or both

expectationlost

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499273#Comment_122499273

which airfields?

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499428#Comment_122499428

Yes, and they were war crimes, regardless of who committed them or if they were signatories or not. It's still a war crime.

Avatar in the Post

This is good enough for YLYL… but sadly not allowed.

Say my name

Hundreds of "refuseniks" russian soldiers who refused to fight which have been detained in a camp near St.Petersburg. Have now been sent to the front line in Kursk.

http://istories.media/news/2024/08/13/v-kurskoi-oblasti-v-boi-otpravyat-sotni-rossiiskikh-otkaznikov-kotorikh-tuda-vivezli-siloi-astra/

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500234#Comment_122500234

Literally,first shot fired and they'll surrender

junkyarddog

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1823426909708898617

You've got to admire their sense of humor!!

https://twitter.com/NickK336321/status/1823430766312694126

🤣

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500260#Comment_122500260

If it were that easy, I imagine way more Russian soldiers would have done it. As I understand it, a big part of what keeps jaded soldiers on the front is that if they were to voluntarily surrender or desert, it would leave their comrades more vulnerable, having less numbers to attack or defend with, so not wanting that guilt is a motivator. However, even if this group were to decide to surrender as one, it might bring repercussions for their families back home in terms of government antagonism or social stigma.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500260#Comment_122500260

There was supposed to be a group of Ukrainians were surrounded in Kursk who then surrendered. The Russian group themselves were being surrounded by a larger group of Ukrainians. The russian group then killed their captive Ukrainians and then surrendered themselves enmass to the Ukrainians. They were saying it was very difficult to take them prisoner and march back to Ukraine and not be finished with them there and then.