Iran's President and Foreign Minister die in helicopter crash

SeanW

The amount of, for the want of a better word, simping for the vile Iranian regime is sickening. Likewise the whataboutery. Meanwhile, Iranians who don't like their government very much are celebrating.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/iranians-living-in-the-west-dance-celebrating-the-death-of-tehran/ss-BB1mLOL0?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=c75f8680d0c44d47b01693895da8186d&ei=12#image=1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167960#Comment_122167960

It's partly because of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" — and if Iran is against Israel and US foreign policy, then they must be, in some way, part of "the Good Guys".

Yet at the same time, as you say, ordinary Iranians would have nothing to do with this regime if they had the choice.

So, in effect, it's to hell with those Iranians because the fascists at the top don't like US foreign policy.

Hatred of Israel is so extreme that they're willing to defend theocratic fascists that would gladly commit genocide against Israel if they had the opportunity.

Utterly bizarre, and quite sickening on many levels.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168219#Comment_122168219

Before the Hamas terrorism, the Israel:Palestinian slaughter ratio was 1:18. Now of course it is even more lopsided.

How about less of the imagined genocide, 'if only they could', and bit more of counting the bodies and working out who's actually more likely engaging in genocide based on the numerical reality?

I have not the slightest difficulty disliking both Israel's conduct and attitude towards the Palestinians they haven't yet managed to drive out of their stolen homeland and the Iranian theocratic regime's conduct both internally and externally.

Both are utterly abhorent and worthy of condemnation by civilised people. One doen't have to pick sides, much as one didn't have to pick sides in the Iran/Iraq war; or the several conflicts between Russia and China.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168886#Comment_122168886

I don't know which specific China-Russia conflicts you're referring to, but I do know that Iraq was very much the aggressor in the Iran-Iraq war, and the idea that there was no "right" side just because "we" didn't like the Iranian regime shows a lack of depth in your understanding of geopolitics.

Similarly, numbers of deaths are no definition of who is right in a conflict either. By that logic, Japan were the "goodies" in the Pacific during WW2, and the US the "baddies". And Israel no more "stole" their homeland than Iraq, Jordan or Turkey did, when they expelled entire communities of Christians, Kurds and Jews in order to establish their own more "homogenous" states.

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169460#Comment_122169460

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0515/1449247-nakba-middle-east/ might clarify your analysis here

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122169521#Comment_122169521

Do all people whose ancestors fled oppression several generations ago keep their entitlement to that land forever? All the Greeks expelled from Turkey? The Kurds expelled from, well, just about everywhere? The Jews who fled Eastern Europe? Odd that it seems that only the Palestinians - who REFUSED their own state in 1948 because they wanted a Greater Syria- have become the only ones who are eternal refugees. The rest are expected to just get on with life.

I don’t see anyone protesting that the Armenians who fled Stepanakert last year must be allowed back forever, even (especially) once they’ve murdered enough Azeri civilians to get another war started. Nor the Somalis or the Yemenis who’ve had to flee wars in their countries.

So no, a propaganda piece from RTE won’t clarify anyone’s analysis. Wars are **** - but wars that one side starts and then loses, well, that’s tough too but that's the risk of choosing to go to war - your side might lose. The stupidest thing to do in that case is to keep on trying to refight that war over and over, and keep on destroying yet another generation’s chances of a decent life. But it’s Hamas who made that choice.

https://twitter.com/shdeen/status/1791577756192460931?s=46&t=2iwAHKz1UZR0DlQyt-wLgQ

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168886#Comment_122168886

Yeah, it's not a sport and a matter of taking sides. Personally I find the whole matter as predictable as it's depressing; what did Hammas expect to achieve with their recent attack, did they not expect the current onslaught from Israel?

Do some people not realize that so called representatives and supporters of Palestine obviously just consider the civilians little more than pawns and they seem more concerned about destroying Israel than having anything resembling a normal country for their citizens?

deezell

It wouldn't be the first small territory whose people were hijacked to fulfill the rabid ambitions of their dictatorial masters. What is most shocking is when such a regime is supported by vast proxy power such as Iran, with billions worth of smuggled arms and rockets pouring in to attack Israel. No fear of the ayatollahs sending in fridges and bicycles and horticultural tools. Israel are at war with Iran and their nest of combatants in Gaza. Hamas' mandate comes from Iran, perhaps its them who need a few rockets now and then to balance the books, but Israel's restraint in this regard has been solid. Recognising this mess as a State is a joke, we're to have an Hamas Embassy here? What a disgrace.

zerosquared

lol

Stupid Russian propagandists now also fallen for Eli Kopter

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1793031088215855595

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122170736#Comment_122170736

Hamas are probably happier to see a dead Palestinan than a dead Israeli as the Palestinan gives fantastic PR. Like when Islamist Jihad bombed a Gaza hospital they were rapid to try and blame Israel anyway and posed with the bodies.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122172591#Comment_122172591

Recognition from the point of view of needing a two state solution in theory is ok, but this whole back slapping each other is ridiculous. As you say, Hammas being recognized as some kind of normal political party is a joke.