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BRITISH GENERAL ELECTION - 4TH JULY

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    #782
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,288 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well let's wait and see.



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    #783
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345229#Comment_122345229

    In other words, you can't even be bothered to make your own argument.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #784
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,288 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345272#Comment_122345272

    You are right, you don't seem to know anything and I'm not teaching you.



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    #785
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,691 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345275#Comment_122345275

    This isn't how debate works.



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    #786
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,288 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ......

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    #787
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345275#Comment_122345275

    I don't require teaching from anyone, least of all someone spouting MAGA tropes. We're done here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #788
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Did Sunak hold his seat?



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    #789
    deirdremf
    Registered Users Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122344288#Comment_122344288

    According to Wikipedia Labour's vote dropped by over half a million votes this time around compared to 2019, and they lost over 3 million compared to 2017.

    The reality is that Starmer underwhelms in almost every way - 33.8% of the votes, with slightly under 60% of the electorate bothering to vote. Which means that Labour in 2024 managed to convince very slightly more than 20% of the electorate to vote for them.

    Starmer has the backing of just 1 in five potential voters, which is hardly a great endorsement of his leadership. It looks like Labour under Starmer - while certainly having gained a vast majority in parliament - may be going the same route as FF in Ireland. If you just count MPs, his mandate looks overwhelming, however the underlying figures tell a completely different story.



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    #790
    magicbastarder
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    " gained more than half a million fewer votes"

    i've had a few beers, so excuse me if this confuses me!



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    #791
    deirdremf
    Registered Users Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345528#Comment_122345528

    Edited for clarity!😚



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    #792
    I.R.Y.E.D
    Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345509#Comment_122345509

    Yes from what I read earlier.



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    #793
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345516#Comment_122345516

    Counting MPs is literally all that matters.

    I don't care for FPTP but it is the system that is in place, and thus the system that parties and voters moderate all their actions towards. And in that system all that matters is winning seats and Labour won an awful lot of them.



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    #794
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users Posts: 17,188 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    :)

    https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1809227786135163009



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    #795
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345516#Comment_122345516

    It's pretty much a 2 horse race, one party has to win.

    According to Wikipedia Labour's Tory's vote dropped by over half a million votes 7.5 million votes (that can't be right????) this time around compared to 2019.

    If you can't get someone to vote for you, you can't go blaming the other party! It looks clear the Tory's lost their voters.

    Johnson got a win with 29%…. that's ok, but Starmer getting a win with only 20% is bad?

    What's you're threshold…. 25%…. 24.5%?

    Our current government seemed to have lasted despite SF having the popular vote. We don't (and neither do the UK) elect a government on a popular vote. We elect members of our political chambers, it's not like a presidential race.



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    #796
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,360 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345736#Comment_122345736

    Apparently it is - just shy of 14 million votes in 2019, 6.8 in this one. They probably lost more votes to Reform UK than to Labour though - Labour's share of the popular vote only went up slightly.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #797
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    SNP down from 48 seats to 9 seats 😲

    Sounds like they have been consumed by their very own "Hate monster" which they tried to foist upon the people of Scotland, that plus all the carry-on with their obsession in pushing the gender self id stuff even after it was rejected by Westminster & by the Scottish electorate. Banging on about Indi ref II was another mistake, not forgetting the Sturgeon saga & the in-house fighting with Salmond. All in all the SNP (like the Tories) need some time out to regroup & reconsider their policies before attempting to get reelected. Disastrous result for the SNP.



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    #798
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 13,088 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    It does put the Scottish independence fight on a longer finger no doubt but Scotland had a part to play in getting that nut job Conservative party out of power and they did that. Their day will come, it'll take patience.

    I noticed that the former leader Alex Salmond was running another independence party called Alba who got nowhere.



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    #799
    Jack Daw
    Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    ….

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    #800
    pjohnson
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    FPTP is so weird a system.



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    #801
    Bass Reeves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345516#Comment_122345516
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345736#Comment_122345736

    It's call democracy. People are not forced to vote lihenin some countries where its mandatory or have to vote because an authorities regime would consider you a dissident.

    Starmer won tge election. I am not a fan of FPTP but that is the UK system it oro ide for stable government with the largest party not having to usually negotiate with smaller minority parties. Yes they get coalitions every 40 but in general they have fairly stable governance.

    However if Labour have an sense they will bring in some sort of change to the UK system whether its runoff or a form of PR like list systems with a minimum threshold.

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #802
    Jack Daw
    Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345916#Comment_122345916

    It makes sense in a lot of ways at a constituency level as it's vote for your favoured candidate , most votes wins the constituency.It's very simple

    However it's stupid for national government elections as it massively discourages people from voting and if you're in a safe labour/tory constituency why the hell would you bother voting when you know your vote will be pointless, it's a system that is quite disenfranchising.



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    #803
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,443 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Do any countries use FPTP with multi seat constituencies? E.g. a three seater where it's the three candidates with the most votes?



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    #804
    Shan Doras
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭Shan Doras


    Question - what happens in the UK with their FPTP system if the top two candidates in a constituency got the exact same number of votes?



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    #805
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,443 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Coin toss or similar.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-39818052



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    #806
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,691 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122346132#Comment_122346132

    England does for council elections. You get multiple votes to match the seats available

    Usually means 2* or 3* same party but not always. Brighton has had lots of Green / Labour split wards. Also makes it a little easier for Independents.



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    #807
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    the FPtP system seems to hide upcoming problems , KS is still a boring leader and labour werent elected to get some ambitious programme through , the electorate just wanted to punish the Conservatives (which is fine) but it means 2029 is liable to be rocky

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #808
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't care if Starmer is boring. In fact, I'd prefer it. Government is serious business and deserves serious people, not the cretins we've had to endure for the past decade and a half.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #809
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Lib dems won another seat in Scotland. They had a good election, all in all.



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    #810
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122346293#Comment_122346293

    the funny thing to watch though is will it stay boring, or will it become the SNP on steroids . Ill lean the second over time

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #811
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122345909#Comment_122345909

    So it's her fault? What did she do to encourage these people?



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