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BRITISH GENERAL ELECTION - 4TH JULY

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    #842
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,660 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352323#Comment_122352323

    Tell him what?



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    #843
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352881#Comment_122352881

    22 year olds dont have life experience

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #844
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,660 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353354#Comment_122353354

    Liz Truss had life experience. Trump has life experience. Hell, Biden should be automatically reelected as he has the most life experience I suppose.

    He does have life experience. As he mentioned he has experience of renting and education so that is where he will focus. Does he have intelligence and empathy and a desire to listen and learn such that he can understand other people's concerns and issues? No idea, but that is far more important than whether he himself has experienced the issue.

    Talent, ideas and a proper work ethic are surely more important than simply how many years old you are.

    What life experience did JRM or Johnson have?



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    #845
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,860 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353354#Comment_122353354

    How do you know?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #846
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353412#Comment_122353412

    without getting into circular "i demand proof" odds are he doesnt unless he has some wild back story which I doubt he has

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #847
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,860 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353462#Comment_122353462

    So you don't know then.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #848
    dresden8
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    All weekend the media have been reminding the SNP that they lost the election so they should drop their independence policy.

    They haven't been reminding the Tories that they lost the election so they should drop their conservative policies.

    Very odd.



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    #849
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭quokula


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353482#Comment_122353482

    What's interesting is that Labour got a whopping majority on 34% of the national vote and the SNP got obliterated on 30% of the Scottish vote. I know it keeps coming up but FPTP is completely and utterly broken and undemocratic.



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    #850
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭quokula


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122349585#Comment_122349585

    Turnout isn't some act of god decreed from upon high that the parties have to work within. It's something the parties earn. It's a common saying in the US presidential elections - the winner often isn't who convinced the most undecideds, but who inspires the largest turnout among people who would be inclined to vote for them.

    Three million people who voted Labour in 2019 chose not to in 2024. That's one third of the total number of people who voted for them. It is an enormous number of potential voters who have been disillusioned.

    It's easy to say "well they didn't vote so they don't matter", and while I absolutely believe people should always vote and I would never forego voting myself, these people do matter and it is worth thinking about why they decided the Labour party wasn't worth voting for this time. Who knows, they could have had 500 seats if these people had turned out.

    What we saw was fewer people voting for Labour than before, but a victory by default as even fewer voted Tory. People were rightfully sick of the Tory party, not many were enthused by Labour, leading to many either going to reform or just not turning up at all.



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    #851
    ronjo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353957#Comment_122353957

    where are you getting 3 million from?



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    #852
    VinLieger
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353354#Comment_122353354

    He has the experience of what its like to be a 22 year old right now, the vast majority of MPs dont have that. One of the reasons young people of his age don't bother voting is they don't view older politicians as representing them or knowing anything about them.

    Also lets be honest if it was a tory 22 year old who just got elected you would be singing their praises.



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    #853
    Tony EH
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353957#Comment_122353957

    Personally, I think people should only vote when they know what it is they are voting for.

    Otherwise they should stay the hell out of a polling booth.



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    #854
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭quokula


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354058#Comment_122354058

    I was mistaken, it's a 1 million drop from 2019 and 3 million from 2017. I had googled the numbers and the first link (Telegraph) said they had dropped 3 million votes.



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    #855
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,860 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122353957#Comment_122353957

    This is nonsense. People are responsible for the governments they get. If they just stay at home, their complaints about things like tuition fees or whatever ring completely hollow.

    If you don't vote, you don't matter. It really is that simple.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #856
    ArmaniJeanss
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354203#Comment_122354203

    The system means that 2,000 votes in a marginal constituency are more valuable than 10,000 votes in Peckham, Wirral or Gallowgate. Corbyn was remarkably good at getting the vote out in these latter areas. But it doesn't help you get elected. Starmer's Labour appears to have put all their limited resources into where the votes mattered, and accepted reduced majorities in their core seats. So it doesn't necessarily signal disillusionment - just that there were no grass-roots campaigns to target these voters or push these voters to the polls.

    It's a strategy to win seats, not overall quantity of votes.



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    #857
    Leroy42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354199#Comment_122354199

    And who judges that? Is there a pre-voting test?



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    #858
    Tony EH
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354350#Comment_122354350

    Ultimately it's the voter who should be the judge of what it is they know they are voting for (or against). And if they don't know or are unsure, the better option is to not vote at all.

    Voting with ignorance is how you end up with stupid shit like Brexit.



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    #859
    Peregrinus
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354256#Comment_122354256

    This. Both parties and voters respond to the incentives created by the electoral system. The UK system doesn't accord equal weight to all votes, and this affects both which votes parties targe and which voters bother to vote (and who they vote for - in the right circumstances a Labour supporter will vote Lib Dem or vice versa so as to make their vote "count"). Hence simply adding up the votes cast for each party and using that to judge the level of support for the party and its policies is not a sound process.



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    #860
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354121#Comment_122354121

    he is a posh kid though right? exactly the "80's Tory boy" that would have been made fun of at the time. Its not an important story its just comical, maybe the bigBrain will leave an impression in the next 10 years or so?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #861
    Randycove
    Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Randycove


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354121#Comment_122354121

    he went from a private school to Cambridge.

    I wonder if his parents had to give up sky tv to pay his fees?



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    #862
    Rawr
    Registered Users Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭Rawr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354121#Comment_122354121

    Quite right. If it had been a 20-something Tory this lot would have no complaints.
    Like for example when this particular 25 Year old became an MP in 1900:

    IMG_2093.jpeg

    Yes…Churchill became an MP at just 25.

    A different time for sure, and this was after he came back from the Boar Wars, but this should make you wonder; is it fair to judge someone on only their age?



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    #863
    deirdremf
    Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122349585#Comment_122349585

    No, people who don't vote are citizens. They may not count in terms of parliamentary seats but their support - or lack of support in this case - is still noted in parties' headquarters.

    Also I used the term "electorate" advisably - as there is another demographic here that is not taken into consideration either - the millions of immigrants with no right to vote. Cheapo workers from abroad, our modern-day helots.



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