Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP

Leroy42

@Corkie, you posted information without any comment. It is tough to have a discussion when you are not saying what your position is.

I haven't listened to all of it, but did manage to listen to some of it live last night. Nothing new or special (albeit in the 20 minutes of it that I heard so maybe there was something else).

But from the bit I did hear, the reporting seems very much in line with that. It wasn't an interview. Trump was asked no difficult questions, and he certainly wasn't tackled on anything. So off the bat, we can stop calling this an interview. It was a propaganda piece. A man who is giving millions to the Trump campaign and has come out as a supporter, having a discussion with the man he wants to be POTUS and hopes will give his platform a boost.

Trump has already admitted that he will agree with Musk since he helped fund his campaign. So we all need to view the conversation in that light. That both men were doing these for a mutual benefit.

Did we learn anything new? Did Trump lay out any policy in greater detail? Did he explain how next time his POTUS would be different? Was he tackled on Jan 6th? Did he at least concede the last election?

Amazingly, the MAGAs are so quick to claim that MSM is a total con and here is a complete con, but with their hero as the beneficiary, they see nothing wrong with it and even claim that any criticism is simply the MSM out to get them.

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497281#Comment_122497281

I have to say I am a bit lost at what @corkie is trying to prove or even say.

General consensus everywhere was it had technical issues and then was a long and rambly chat with nothing overly new.

Isnt that what the MSM headlines are saying? Is there something you disagree with @corkie?

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497095#Comment_122497095

Have either person gone and accused some nation-state or deep-state apparatchik of being behind the delay in their broadcast?

aloyisious

Mention was made on RTE that Musk spoke on one specific topic [government efficiency] four times in their conversation to which Trump eventually replied that Musk would fit the appointment of the person in charge of that commission; or words to that effect.

Either that is a quid pro quo to Musk for having him on the show or merely a political promise not worth the breath used to speak it. It appears that Trump does have a pair and that he felt them being delicately squeezed live on air.

Edit: the Trump plan to get rid of the Dept of Education, is that part of the great next year plan he denies has anything to do with him, that he disavows all knowledge of?

everlast75

Wow - trump's communication team certainly are pleasant..

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497607#Comment_122497607

It's Cheung's third Trump campaign so he's sticking to his [political strategist] colours.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497633#Comment_122497633

His eyesight must be failing too, as the names are right at the bottom.....

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497634#Comment_122497634

More a touch of Trump-ism as his boss cant even spell Harris, he probably confuses Walz's name with the border wall.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497594#Comment_122497594

Funnily enough getting rid of the department of education is from project 2025 which Trump claims he has nothing to do with. Although those recently released videos from the Trump leak were primers for project 2025.

Penn

It's more that they want the name of the specific campaign staff member who wrote or posted it on behalf of the campaign. I'm sure it's just for academic purposes, and not at all to post the name publicly so Trump supporters can direct hate mail and threats to them.

Economics101

I hope this link doesn't fall foul of the Washington Post paywall. Jennifer Rublin calls out the MSM on the way they have left Trump off the hook by failing to question him properly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/08/12/media-questions-debate/?utm_campaign=wp_follow_jennifer_rubin&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl-jenniferrubin&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3eaf8f3%2F66b9f8551bb5c9519ed2e35f%2F650d8c40a2b063305b571056%2F6%2F23%2F66b9f8551bb5c9519ed2e35f&commentID=c7054352-f05e-4b57-a1f8-be9b52543e6d

corkie

Are posters looking for me to post a controversial opinion on the Musk's Billed 'Conversation' and not that it was an interview. I don't have such an opinion.

And there is nothing controversial in the MSM reporting of it, for me to poke at. It was an event that happened. And I posted about it while the events were happening.

This is a tweet, that kind of rings true to me, and might clarify my opinion.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497677#Comment_122497677

Since you've linked to your own social media and aren't willing to state anything, is it safe to assume your view aligns with this retweet? It's pretty disingenuous to dump headlines with no comment.

Ah nvm, you clarified. It's the conspiracy theory crowd you're favouring.

https://twitter.com/PeterPaulGuy/status/1823288036936778085?t=6vVHliJ_u7tnI4ZlpgBN0A&s=19

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497661#Comment_122497661

Absolutely.

Double standards, probably caused by the wish from the media to have a closer race... Which means ratings!

We saw it with Biden. Multiple editorials calling for him to step down.

With trump, statements are sanitised, or headlines slanted. No calls for him to step down.

Sigma101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497677#Comment_122497677

Well if that's supposed to imply that you' re an advocate of free speech why not speak freely and give your views here, instead of just linking to external websites and pimping your own twitter account?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497677#Comment_122497677

Honestly, they don't help themselves by blatantly lying all the time, I'd pity someone who thinks that is some sort of journalistic or press freedom going on. It's all for the purpose of self-aggrandisement.

eightieschewbaccy

I'm pretty sure if social media was around when Henry Ford was pushing the protocols of Zion, people would be arguing that he's the one true free speech advocate.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497648#Comment_122497648

Coincidentally Betty DeVos, a former SecEd under Trump [who resigned over the Jan 6th event] said at an election rally for Michigan Republican Senate hopeful Mike Rogers on Aug 5th told The Detroit News that she would return to the job if asked but that she didn't think Trump would ask her. She added that she was open to the idea 'only if it was with the goal of phasing out the Department of Education as we tried to do through budgetary process in the first administration.' [in 2020].

'Also getting a commitment to passing a major education freedom bill in the form of a tax credit mechanism at the Department of Treasury,' DeVos added. 

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497705#Comment_122497705

We also have the double standard of the fact that none of the outlets that were sent all the "hacked" info from the Trump campaign have released a word of it - They've said they have it and described the topics covered (Vance vetting doc etc.) but haven't re-produced a single line of it.

Clinton was hacked by the Russians in 2016 and they went to town on it , covering every line of every document/email in minute detail endlessly for weeks on end.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497607#Comment_122497607

It literally says 'Harris/Walz' at the bottom.

corkie

@Sigma101 I suppose you could call me an advocate for free speech (not hate speech), I still believe online free speech is an illusion. Governed by the platform and codes of conduct.

While Thierry Breton’s ‘Trump’ letter crossed the line with Elon Musk, X is now fairly regarded as an agent of civil unrest in Europe
EU Commissioner Thierry Breton shouldn’t have warned Elon Musk about a future interview with Donald Trump. But he’s right to single out X as an outlier for content that helps fan the flames of riots across Europe

Like I said already, waiting to hear the reaction from Thierry Breton and our politicians. Musk was wrong to interfere in UK affairs. Also said I believe that I didn't care for Trump or Musk.

This is CA and not politics forum. People tend to post one liners her and get away with it.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497752#Comment_122497752

eh, as remembered by Trumpers the media was also cautious to dump that information online too, except Trumpers described it as a “cover up” by the media that they wouldn’t uncritically republish the contents of an uncertain laptop allegedly obtained by Rudy Giuliani through a blind computer repairman in Delaware

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497791#Comment_122497791

That Twitter account that you're citing is a classic "Irish patriot" is actively engaging in hate speech so I think your idea of free speech is pretty extreme.… Equally Musk and Trump are very much so advocates for hate speech.

duploelabs

Roger Stone's emails hacked too, now there's some stories they could tell

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/12/politics/trump-campaign-hack-personal-email-account-fbi/index.html

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498014#Comment_122498014

Calendar invites for swingers parties? 😂

That remark on unions is likely to cause Trump proper issues. Basically admits to not really giving a **** about the working class. It's basically campaigning gold for Harris.

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497607#Comment_122497607

There are literally two names at the bottom.

corkie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497898#Comment_122497898

That is the problem and my concern, who defines 'Hate Speech' and then gets to regulate and censor content based on it? https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/what-is-hate-speech ~ Coimisiún na Meán defines illegal content as:- <quoted here>

I don't want to drag this thread further into a discussion about it, more suitable on 'X' thread? (now active again for a small while).

I'm glad the Musk & Trump conversation didn't get controversial last night, and give Thierry Breton more ammunition to enforce the Draconian laws against 'X' and Social Media.

everlast75

Trump has an opportunity to turn the whole ship around.

All he needs to do is listen to cogent advice and be disciplined, stay on message.

However, he is 78 years old narcissist, who will only listen to "yes" men and is imploding slowly.

3 months to go.

Everytime he opens his mouth, things get worse.

The Daily had a pod entitled "inside the three worst weeks of Trump's campaign".

All I could think of was...

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498317#Comment_122498317

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497791#Comment_122497791

I suppose you could call me an advocate for free speech (not hate speech)

What was your definition of hate speech when you said this

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498327#Comment_122498327

I mean was anyone really expecting a 78 year old man who has been the same horrible person his entire life to suddenly become the next Abe Lincoln because someone confirmed his siege mentality for him?