Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP

everlast75

I see those criticising Biden for his stance on Israel are fairly quiet about Bibi getting a home invitation from Donald...

Frank Bullitt

Not many defending his statement at that Christian event yesterday…weird.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122432403#Comment_122432403

Wow, I can't believe that a man who wanted fake electors to vote him into a second term in 2020 would be in any way amenable to the ideas laid out in this article.

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Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122432403#Comment_122432403

Maybe The Donald and his mate Manu could launch an international crusade against the gross infringement of democratic frreedom that is the presidential term limit

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-two-term-limit-france-presidency-bullshit/#:~:text=French%20president%20vents%20his%20frustration,of%20talks%20with%20opposition%20leaders.&text=PARIS%20%E2%80%94%20French%20President%20Emmanuel%20Macron,with%20party%20leaders%20on%20Wednesday.

Frank Bullitt

Too story on the Guardian.

Or are these also some bunch of liberals not getting the joke too?

ronjo

It's hard to know which is crazier

1. He thinks he can solve all Americas problems in 4 years.
2. He wants to make himself defecto leader for longer than 4 years.

nachouser

From Wikipedia:

"McCain had only talked to Palin a few times, and the campaign's vetting operation had mostly relied on Internet searches to check her background."

Replace "internet searches" with Don Jr and hence Vance.

Hande hoche!

Think Vance had the winning combination of sufficient brown nosing and wasn't going to overshadow the head of the ticket.

One of the Donald's sons was palsy with him too. Wouldn't be Trump-esque without a bit of nepotism.

Time will tell if he is the same atrocious level as Palin.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434242#Comment_122434242

You would think a Governor and a Senator... that stuff would have come out in the media before their VP pick. But nope!

omega man

JD keeps on giving. His trans friend (yes you read that right) has released multiple emails sharing some of their conversations. Oh JD…

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434303#Comment_122434303

He's mad.

https://twitter.com/patrynard/status/1816183353772761538

aloyisious

There's mention in an online media outlet titled Daily Wrap of what I can only call an extraordinary plan supposedly from Trump for the Ukraine/Russia war. It seems the original article of the plan by Mike Pompeo, Trumps former Sec State, is in the Wall Street Journal.

I can hardly believe what is mentioned in it, as it seems to be a total reversal on what Trump apparently and currently has in his mind to force an end to the current war between Russia and Ukraine. It's almost like some-one having a rambling off-the-cuff interview with an established journal.

It includes providing US aid to Ukraine under lend-lease terms, Real sanctions on the Kremlin, strengthening NATO, lend-lease for Ukraine, and lifting restrictions on the use of American weapons in its war against Russia – according to former U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, these are elements of Donald Trump's plan for Ukraine in the event of a Republican victory in the presidential elections.

If Trump were to take office again, he could propose real actions to end Russia's war with Ukraine - unlike the half-measures of Joe Biden's administration that prolong the conflict – Pompeo declared in an article in the "Wall Street Journal".

I am not at all sure what purpose mention of the plan by Pompeo is for.

According to the WSJ article [as relayed in the Daily Wrap article] the Kremlin response [possibly from Sergey Lavrov as his photo is in the article] is that Russia expects Trump to cut aid to Ukraine, to force it to cede territory to Russia and make a deal directly with Putin.

The former head of American diplomacy believes that "there is no evidence that such a capitulation will be part of Trump's policy." He recalled that in 2017 Trump lifted the embargo on lethal weapons for Ukraine and began supplying Javelin anti-tank missiles to the country.

I regret that the WSJ article itself is only open to contributors to the WSJ. I'm also keeping in mind that a Russian Court recently sentenced a WSJ journalist to a long term of imprisonment for allegedly spying in Russia.

The following is a link to the Daily Wrap and hopefully its article courtesy of MSN. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/other/trump-s-bold-ukraine-plan-lend-lease-nato-boost-real-sanctions/ar-BB1qJAUF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=14f94b5d405f43b490a1af53a1eeb13e&ei=54

everlast75

https://twitter.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1816931820577132545

As if wheeling out a mannequin with the deceased's name spelt incorrectly on it wasn't tribute enough.

I wonder if he ever rang the family and it so, how long it took.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435406#Comment_122435406

Apparently he did, I asked the same question and there's a Guardian article about it. The grieving widow wouldn't take a call from Biden who promptly phoned her. Going to a CFTrump hate rally was their idea of a fun family day out. Well, she needs to find better entertainments now.

looksee

'a fun family day out' - I think this is really quite important. When, hopefully, the whole Trump thing fizzles out, there are going to be a lot of people who will genuinely miss the opportunity to get dressed up in party gear and mix with like minded people and feel they are achieving something.

Maybe the Dems need to think about providing more circuses. There was a gathering of Biden supporters in Florida, which was a first, but it was a very civilised affair, almost no fancy dress, very few banners and posters, 'there were no wrecks and nobody drownded, Fact, nothing to laugh at at all'.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436334#Comment_122436334

The reason that these Trump rallies are a circus is because there is a clown on stage.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436334#Comment_122436334

I would agree 100%

Never underestimate the thrill people get from being accepted as part of a herd. (Which of course is lathered in irony as Trumpers loved calling people "sheeple" 😂)

Stanley 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434198#Comment_122434198

And then he will annoit Don Junior to take over the reins.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436420#Comment_122436420

It's definitely not going to be a scrub like Matt Gaetz or Marjorie Taylor Greene, anyway, who eventually gets to keys to MAGA. These people are career politicians who have placed themselves in a position of complete supplication in order to be relevant, but in the same stroke have created an impenetrable glass ceiling for themselves. If no-one emerges who encapsulates the same chimera of qualities (such as they are) of one DJT, then I think MAGA would pass either to Jr or Barron, depending on how long the central man lasts, and their authority will come squarely from their family ties and also a big old banner of dad's face behind them, because death isn't a strict impediment to a cult leader remaining the leader.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122437085#Comment_122437085

I don't think Barron wants to be in politics himself, and it will be 20 years before he'd even have a shot at the presidency (literally the next presidential race he'd be constitutionally old enough for would be 2044). And Jr. is a coke addict, I think that's plain to everyone, I don't see the GOP money apparatus throwing their money down that hole. Same with any of the MAGA loons in the House. I don't even know if they lose this cycle, if the GOP apparatus will stick with MAGA for after 4 straight losing election cycles, without the personality behind the cult (Donald Trump), or if they will get behind a more rational candidate and platform again, whatever that may be.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122437085#Comment_122437085

their authority will come squarely from their family ties and also a big old banner of dad's face behind them, because death isn't a strict impediment to a cult leader remaining the leader.

Maybe this is why The Donald is such a sneaking regarder of north Korea

https://www.north-korea-travel.com/kim-il-sung.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8-Vr_r36Fg

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434198#Comment_122434198

He had the white house, senate and house for 2 years and did **** all to "fix" America.

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122439054#Comment_122439054

I had forgotten about that. Any Trump fans care to explain why?

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122437536#Comment_122437536

If the GOP possessed any of the marbles they once had in the pre-Donnie days, then I'd totally agree, they'd likely drop MAGA, the Trumps, and try to adjust their strategy to appeal to more moderate voters.

But that GOP is gone. The RNC is now top-loaded with Trump-loyalists with a Trumpette heading it. The entire GOP political stategy now appears to be little more echoing Trump himself and then seeing who can out-extreem each other within the void of control that Donnie has created in the heart of the party.

They are now a party who see no problem with endorsing a canditate who openly tried to overthrow the United States when an election didn't go his way. A canditate who is a proven rapist, convicted fraudster and a very public failure when handling any business. A canditate who funnels the entire RNC Funding Warchest to his own pockets and leaves the various GOP state branches facing possible bankruptcy.

Now they platform a whole rouge's gallery of Trump-adjacent cretins who in years past might have been seen as too extreme to be on the ballot. We've now got them upping the ance, be it accusing shooting survivors of being "Crisis Actors", trying to win support by claiming that they had shot a puppy, or lately having their new VP pick desrcibing a new American autocracy where only people who have kids will get to vote.

This isn't a GOP that's going to move on if they fail to win the White House. I fully expect at least another year of "Stop the Steal" while Donnie just runs a repeat of the past 4 years. But will they survive those 4 years? I think maybe, but the extremely facist rump that will be left over might end up being both near-unelectable, but also increadibly dangerous.

Penn

Age clearly getting to him…

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1816993825929461860

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122439093#Comment_122439093

There are no more trump fans on here.

Just people who will first claim to have no preference either way, but then go on to posit a very jaundiced view in favour of Trump….

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122439377#Comment_122439377

Maybe one of them lads could chime in and explain what they think Trump was doing in the first 2 years of his Presidency when they had control of House and Senate.

Anyone??

everlast75

He should step down. He clearly isn't able to last another 4 years in office.

On a separate note, Trump refuses to pronounce Kamala's name correctly. Someone suggested that she now do the same for him, and refer to him as DonOld Trump…

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122439393#Comment_122439393

Trump refuses to pronounce Kamala's name correctly.

Imagine the fun he'll have if Buttigieg is her running mate…

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122440065#Comment_122440065

He wouldn't last 3 minutes without making some sort of gay slur…

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122439392#Comment_122439392

I think that's an argument that's not used nearly enough by the Democrats. Trump is going on and on about "saving America", yet for the first two years of his first term he had both the House and Senate under his control and got f**k all done. He couldn't even repeal Obamacare after promising to do so. If I was Harris I'd be pushing this point quite a bit.

everlast75

I was wondering if Fox would ever go and do, what they just did....

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1818077067545821459

The song that immediately popped into my head was...

https://youtu.be/wWhtcU4-xAM?si=YppdDYSWiVnPl2JR

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122442490#Comment_122442490

I’m finding it hard to believe that Americans, OK, Republicans in particular, are accepting Trumps exact same strategy for the 3rd time; that is, “rant” for hours on end about how bad things are, name call, throw dirt, and pretty much nothing else.

The formula worked the first time because it was novel, new and indeed outrageous - 3rd time around and it’s growing very stale - it’s hard to keep anger up for so long- I think even Trump is starting to parody himself- I think he’s even bored of it and has run out of new things to say- it’s like the Trumps “greatest hits” tour of insults.

Im hoping that the anti-Trump republicans hit out more and let their voices be heard - if I had been a card carrying republican for many years, I’d be very embarrassed and ashamed with what I’m seen happen to my party. Hopefully criticism of Trump from inside his own party will grow stronger -but it really feels like the party have resigned themselves to this sh1t show - lesson it’s taught me is democracy is a very fragile thing and it doesn’t take much to ruin it.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122443343#Comment_122443343

Any democracy needs at least two functioning parties. Having one party and a cult is not healthy.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122443285#Comment_122443285

Is this a case of some-one in Fox News thinking "lets see where this one goes, if it's a big nothing, we can say "we told you so" but if it is at least partially factual it might lead to something else coming out of the woodwork and we covered our ass"?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122443660#Comment_122443660

I'm still laughing at the nickname Vladimir Futon...

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122443424#Comment_122443424

Exactly this. The GOP has devolved into the MAGA "Let's crown Trump as King of America" cult of personality….with accociated "also-ran" conservative politicians who don't really know what to do with themselves anymore. The GOP no longer has a "leadership", they only have Trump and the nonsense that orbits him. When Trump is gone, be it politically or when he spins off this moral coil, the remaining GOP will be a disintergrating basketcase which will more likely go further into facism. They'll either collapse completely, or become too extreme to win enough votes in future.

That in itself is great for the defense of democratic freedoms, since the GOP is essentially decoming the Nazi Party. I don't think anyone would ever agrue to keep the NSDAP on the voting cards post-WWII to preserve choice, but there should be choice. There should be a genuine opposition to the ruling party in government. So if the GOP are a lost cause, I would hope that an altertiave political party will eventually fill the void.

The Democrats are by far the better choice in this coming election, but no party should ever find itself heading some kind of single-party state…even in the extraordinary situation where the only other opposition party chooses to destroy itself.

Might go to show the Americans that multi-party democracy isn't nessisarily a bad thing. It's often said that it's a "Two-Party" system in the US, but that's only out of habit. The US has many more political parties, and it might be time for a couple of them to look at taking over the GOP's place as the main right-wing party

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122444162#Comment_122444162

The Dems could always go mental and reform the system while the Reps are in such disarray.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122444162#Comment_122444162

The Democrats are by far the better choice in this coming election, but no party should ever find itself heading some kind of single-party state…even in the extraordinary situation where the only other opposition party chooses to destroy itself.

If the GOP were to lose this election and do badly in down stream elections there is a very real possibility that the party could split.

The Republicans who tolerate Maga and Trump for their own ends will no longer back such a perennial losing streak.

I suppose it would be just evolution in action, it can't be the same 2 parties indefinitely.

The stark reality is the Republicans are on the edge a cliff here and they have backed Trump to pull them back from the brink.

If I was an American Republican I would be shíttíng myself.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122445454#Comment_122445454

Havent Trump and Maga been siphoning if not cutting off funds from down stream races for a while now making this a very real possibility?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122445799#Comment_122445799

Pretty much.

The current state of the GOP is…

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122445454#Comment_122445454

Mike Pompeo had an interview with the Wall St Journal recently in which he claimed Trump would stick with Ukraine, would boost the sanctions against Russia, would stay with NATO, would use frozen Russia finances to assist Ukraine and this would boost the US armaments industry. It was so far from what Trump had indicated is his plan that I wondered where Pompeo was going with his suggestions. Aside from the interview content being unexpected, I wondered if Pompeo was getting it up for Trump and indicating at the same time that he was old GOP stock, not a Trump-fan. It certainly wouldn't be the best way to keep Trump happy.

I don't think Pompeo was waving an sign that he was there should the GOP need an alternative nominee for the position of president. However he is used to walking in it as a former very senior Admin Secretary and former CIA director with links within Washington power circles and I doubt if his ambition has lessened since he left Trump. He is only 63 years of age.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122445987#Comment_122445987

I saw that interview/article and like you said the ideas proposed were so diametrically opposed to anything that Trump or those currently in his orbit have said regarding Ukraine it's almost impossible to reconcile the idea that this is Trumps thinking on the issue.

Having said that Mike Pompeo is a religious zealot who believes in the "Rapture" and claimed that the Bible was his most used document when deciding foreign policy so I'll take anything he says with an enormous grain of salt.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122445454#Comment_122445454

If the base wants Trump, the base will get Trump. The base don't really care even if he lost every election from now 'til his dying day. Obviously they do want him to win power, but even if he doesn't, he still holds enormous value to them as a disruptive force. They're not going to cast him aside until they find something which better tickles their political g-spot than he does.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122446301#Comment_122446301

Indeed , that "base" have managed to take functional control of the party at so many levels - They are embedded into the State/County level apparatus so even if the lose they will still be there putting forward their lunacy.

The only hope for their demise is the inevitable in-fighting that will occur once Trump exits the scene.

aloyisious

Trump's on the warpath against Google and Meta because they wont allow his "bloodied" face photo be displayed to the public on their platforms. He's asked his supporters to "GO AFTER GOOGLE AND META" as they have censored the photo. They made it virtually impossible to find pictures or anything about this heinous act. Both are facing BIG BACKLASH OVER CENSORSHIP CLAIMS.' The GOP nominee argued it was an attempt to rig the election and wrote in all caps urging his backers to 'GO AFTER META AND GOOGLE.'

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122446301#Comment_122446301

The bases's loyalty to Trump seems to transcend rational policy considerations at this stage. Ron DeSantis in particular could make a plausible case that he was pushing 'more Trumpist than Trump' policies, particularly on covid, as Florida governor but that didn't seem to cut any ice with the MAGA crowd.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122446379#Comment_122446379

DeSantis has no personality. He's just a sweaty stuffed suit. The base can smell this on him because he positively reeks of it and so does pretty much every prominent member of Trump's political movement, and this is why none of them will ever rise to be heirs to the throne. In their words and political actions they inadvertently say, "I am a complete toadie who has placed myself in a position of total political supplication in order to maintain political relevance and popularity with a base who of voters who I think are crazy."

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122446379#Comment_122446379

If Harris gets in in 24, it just frees up MTG to run in 28, with Boebert as veep...

Agent Coulson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122446562#Comment_122446562

MTG & Boebert have fallen out and now hate each other.