Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592742#Comment_122592742

I'd say his slip-ons (or maybe just one of them) fell off in the scuffle with the secret service agents crowding him.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592768#Comment_122592768

Hopefully so. I'd hate to think it was a foot problem so often mentioned turning out to be real. There is one news outlet, the Daily Mail, which really acts as a pro-Trump story outlet but for some reason is labelling Trumps request as bizarre.

sonofenoch

Mzzz E. Jean Carrol ladies and gentle they/them

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astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592944#Comment_122592944

elaborate please :)

aloyisious

How important can Trumps admission in the TV interview with Lex Friedman last week that he lost the 2020 election by a whisker be in any of the prosecutions being taken against him for attempting to steal the election from Biden? On the face of it, it turns his repeated claims that he did not lose the election, that it was stolen from him on their heads.

Can the entirely voluntary admission be added to and used by SC Smith in his new case against Trump as proof that Trump knowingly committed criminal acts in trying to prevent the truthful result of the vote being entered onto the record in Congress.

Is there any chance he can get SCOTUS to declare that his statement to the interviewer cannot be entered as evidence that he knew he had lost the election despite his repeated claims to the contrary over the past four years?

Three hours ago a story broke that Nick Fuentes is accusing Trump of betrayal by admitting to Friedman that he had, after all, lost the election to Biden in 2020. There are a few more comments from Fuentes about Trump in the article in the following link. EDIT: I've noticed that some of the comments made by others on Fuentes comments in the report are dated 04 Sept so the actual comments by Fuentes about Trump predate the date included at the head of the report so it's actual relevance might be in doubt. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/nick-fuentes-is-now-accusing-donald-trump-of-betrayal-and-people-have-no-sympathy/ar-AA1qarNy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=0fc56277ba424913a7fade1ea43cd624&ei=62

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592948#Comment_122592948

It's the "She's a confident woman who is confident and open about sex, so she must be a dirty filthy slag who was asking for it" trope

Par for the course from people who like the Idea of having a Rapist Criminal in the White House.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592977#Comment_122592977

So you're just not brave enough to come out and say you don't think she was raped?

I'm not surprised.

Want to know what blows my mind? That Trump is so loud and boasting about his innocence, so loud at press conferences where he said she made it all up, even though it cost him over $80 million dollars the last time and will probably cost him again after his latest outburst....

But the part that blows my mind is that when he was given the option to testify in a court of law, he declined. So, yeah. Only spouting innocence, where it's inconsequential.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592977#Comment_122592977

What are you trying or too afraid to say about Carroll?

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592944#Comment_122592944

Would you be trying to link or co-join this site with Trump in the defamatory statements he said about E. Jean Carroll?

Glencarraig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592768#Comment_122592768

The Chump wears "elevator" shoes to make him look taller………..just another part of the scam that is Chump.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122592944#Comment_122592944

The first reference I've found to this supposed tweet is from yesterday. Strangely enough nobody actually links to the tweet... It's a tad sad to be both so gullible and to be smearing a victim of rape. Bit sick really…

aloyisious

Grabbing at the names of personalities [including deceased personalities] in an attempt to increase Trump's chances to regain the White House, JD Vance has come up with a doozy. He said that if John McCain saw the state of the border wall, he would not vote for Harris. One is probably supposed to think instead that if John McCain were alive, he would vote for Trump. It seems that the US Military dead are fair game for use in the electoral race by both GOP candidates.

Apart from the fact that there was a distinct dislike between McCain and Trump, with Trump running down McCains name and reputation any chance he got, both when McCain was alive and after he died, including initially refusing [as president] to allow McCain rest in state in the Capitol after his death, it's hard to understand how Vance could have come up with a more unlikely personage to use in a Trump electoral promotion effort, short of idiocy, given the enmity between McCain and Trump. Vance's idea might be a snap reaction to the news that Dick Cheney said he was going to vote against Trump in the election.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593294#Comment_122593294

Trump supporters are thirsty for a drink in a desert for anything to try and stop Kamala with, of course they’d jump at every mirage

Oscar_Madison

a nice summary of Trumps er, deliberate mistakes

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-cognitive-decline-biographer-b2608901.html

IF, he is indeed on the path of cognitive decline as the article above suggests, then the debate will be fascinating watching .

It must be said though that Harris can have her moments when off script - my reckoning is that Harris has more of a chance of losing voters or not gaining more voters if her performance goes awry than Trump does. She can’t afford to get distracted from whatever horseplay Trump is about on the night

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/07/trump-allies-debate-fears-00177809

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593092#Comment_122593092

Afraid 😂 would I believe her story? absolutely not

https://twitter.com/i/status/1651318173025677312

She's a lunatic fantasist ….who also happens to be a Democrat supporter with TDS by coincidence

'Among several allegations that appear in her new book, What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, the writer E. Jean Carroll claims that Les Moonves tried to sexually assault her. As detailed in the upcoming New York cover story, Carroll says she was working on an article on Moonves for 

Esquire

 and that he followed her to an elevator after the interview and cornered her. “He steps into the elevator behind me,” Carroll writes, “and his pants bursting with demands, goes at me like an octopus. I don’t know how many apertures and openings you possess, Reader, but Moonves, with his arms squirming and poking and goosing and scooping and pricking and prodding and jabbing, is looking for fissures I don’t even know I own, and — by God! — I am not certain that even if I pull off one of his arms it won’t crawl after me and attack me in my hotel bed. Hell, I am thrilled I escape before he expels his ink.” Carroll adds that she did not include the experience in her 

Esquire

article,

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593839#Comment_122593839

All the pressure is on Harris. Trump has been busy consolidating his base. That's all he cares about. He has absolutely no concern about expanding his base

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593906#Comment_122593906

Continuing to attack the victim. Now Enoch, would you agree the Manson tweet you shared last night wasn't real? On top of that a jury views her as far more credible than Trump on the rape. So you can attack all you want but you're attacking a victim of rape because you like the rapist.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593906#Comment_122593906

Trump apologist knows more about the details of what happened than an empanelled jury who listened to witness testimony and video depositions over the course of weeks, along with two experienced judges.

Oh - and accusing someone of TDS is shorthand for "I'm in a cult and won't listen to facts or logic"

everlast75

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1832505040348823591

What kind of dystopian hellhole are we living in, where this kind of utter and abject b0llox is listened to and doesn't immediately disqualify someone from any position of power, however small.

Honestly, it is like the insane ramblings of a drunkard, some sort of addict or someone who has suffered multiple blows to the head.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593839#Comment_122593839

The words mild stroke have been playing around in my mind since he began losing his way while speaking, going into repetitive word-use.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594136#Comment_122594136

Whereas many parents have legitimate concerns about their kids being shot and killed when attending school. After all, far more kids are shot, killed, maimed or injured than are given gender reassignment surgery without their parents consent…

But y'know, as JD Vance says, "school shootings are a fact of life". (Unlike surprise gender reassignment surgery of course...)

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594215#Comment_122594215

While I won’t speculate it’s clear something is up- he has lost the ability to land punches disgusting and juvenile as they were.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594136#Comment_122594136

It’s actually kind of weird they’re so obsessed with this nightmare fantasy Jimmy comes home with gender identity concerns vs. the reality the Jimmy won’t come home because they’ve had their brains blown out by another AR-15

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594615#Comment_122594615

The event at his campaign rally might, just might, have given Trump pause for thought about federal gun law. Under his administration in 2017, a change to federal law was brought in banning bump-stocks. SCOTUS overturned that rule in June this year. Bump stocks enable users to change SLR's like the AR15 to fully auto rifles, no longer single shot but continuous fire [as in machine-gun fire bursts]. There are videos available online on how to machine-tool bump stocks for AR15's. That is how things have "advanced" for civilians owning or accessing AR15's in the US. The only difference is that AR15's are magazine-fed with a slower rate of fire to belt-fed weapons.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594215#Comment_122594215

My old man lived to 83. His last few years were marked by noticeable decline in processing anything new; everything from change in government to different layout in the supermarket used to aggravate him. He'd rely on anecdotes we'd heard hundreds of times before and only liked company he was familiar with.

If Trump gets in, he'll be dead before his term ends.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595380#Comment_122595380

If he gets in, his GOP appointees and V/P will have no problem with doing his bidding, including the vendetta he has against anyone who badmouthed him, donated to the campaigns of his opponents, try to lock up without trial anyone they name to him as an enemy of his MAGA campaign while he's in office. All he needs to do is keep within the parameters laid down by SCOTUS where it come to Presidential Actions being Official Actions and his team to check the documents he's to sign as well to dodge slip-ups.

What could screw up things for him is his own mouth, his personal read on things as against the AG's advice or some team member who gets him to sign the wrong document. Getting SCOTUS to link his pre-election statements with his post-election actions is a long shot at best. He could sink that by pushing the GOP to run a referendum on the number of Presidential office terms he could have set out in the constitution with his "jokey" dictator from January statement.

In whatever time from a possible start in office to a departure before 4 years in office, he would do irreparable damage to the US at home and abroad to mould it after his own image.

looksee

If he gets in, his GOP appointees and V/P will have no problem with doing his bidding, 

They will not be doing his bidding, he will lose interest in anything other than bombast, rallies and signing things with an audience. Otherwise he will be golfing and watching tv. He will think he is in charge, but he will be managed and things will happen round him. He does not have the energy to do more than get rid of his court cases.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595305#Comment_122595305

It wasn't a federal "law", it was a judgement by the ATF. That is why it was able to be overturned.

everlast75

Wow - 45 is getting desperate

Famous advocate of marijuana use....

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596086#Comment_122596086

With Musk and the crypto bros funding his campaign, I'm not surprised that this is his position.

Marijuana in the US is in such a strange place. In some states, it's legal, except federally it's not.

So much for states making their own minds up on matters.

Leroy42

So that's liberal drug policy.

Free IVF for anyone that needs it.

Free childcare for everyone.

And Harris is the socialist leftie?

Oscar_Madison

I have a feeling this book is going to impact some it not many swing voters towards the republican side:

soft focus interviews with “compassionate” interviewers- some publicity but not too much - if whoever is looking to get off the fence, this book may encourage them to head towards MAGA. The fact they’re even on the fence shows just how gullible they really are- if the election polls are as close as most people say they are, it’s this sort of nonsense I’m afraid that we’re down to, in order to decide the next POTUS.

I mean in some respects its genius - whatever positive vibes people might get from the upcoming debate where Harris is anticipated to perform well, will be quickly overshadowed by this piece of ahem, literature.

Melania doesn’t have to pretend she’s the dutiful wife- we know for a fact she’s not- but this book will more than make up for her lack of appearances throughout the campaign .

For Harris, I’m wondering if thanking or positively calling out the Republicans who have spoken out against Trump is the best response - it will be interesting if she addresses this at the debate . But the timing of this book publication is not to be underestimated - people will have a whole month to read it before election day - that’s recency effect in action

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13827823/Melania-Trump-breaks-silence-dramatic-new-video-quality-life-cost-living-America-blasts-attempts-silence-husband-Donald.html

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596266#Comment_122596266

I'm not sure the fake wife who writes fake speeches will convince anyone that she wrote this book, or gives two sh1ts about anyone but herself.

"I don't care. Do you?"

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596330#Comment_122596330

To the general population of the US and in particular Democrats, or commentators across the world- probably not. But to swing voters and current fence sitters? Absolutely it will . And that’s apparently the group of people who will decide the next POTUS.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596086#Comment_122596086

Someone in his campaign team got hold of his password. No way he wrote that himself. He wouldn't know what "Amendment 3" or "Schedule 3" is for starters. AND NO CAPS LOCK

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596351#Comment_122596351

"But to swing voters and current fence sitters? Absolutely it will".

That's sounds like a statement of fact. What is that confidence based on exactly?

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596266#Comment_122596266

Apparently her book is with Skyhorse Publishing which is known for publishing titles from writers who would normally get dropped by other publishers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyhorse_Publishing

I'm guessing the impact of this will depend a lot on how much distribution it gets. Skyhorse partner with Simon & Schuster which gives them potentially a lot of reach. However if this is marketed as a fluff-piece for Trump, I kind of expect this to only sell in MAGAworld. A "tell-all" book following their eventual divorce (or his death) would be a worldwide best seller, but my guess is that this one won't be.

Also, I'm wondering who actually wrote this. I'm being increadibly unfair here, but I don't feel like the creator of "Be Best" is that talented a word-smith. Also since Donnie has form of using ghost-writers, it would seem very likely that she'd do the same.

Maxface

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596396#Comment_122596396

I agree, quite clearly not him and without doubt, he will contradict it in the days ahead if there is a sniff of negativity towards it.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596409#Comment_122596409

This is an opinion based discussion forum - I thought that was obvious. It’s clear that’s my opinion . Fence sitters and swing voters by their very definition are open to suggestions actions and statements that may not necessarily be significant to ordinary voters - it’s no coincidence that this book is being launched 1 month before the election- none whatsoever -you’ve dismissed it with the same vigour as I’ve considered it will be important - I didn’t ask you for “proof” - I took that as your opinion and engaged accordingly .

duploelabs

Self awareness has left the building

https://www.ibtimes.com/trump-78-indicates-rally-that-people-their-80s-shouldnt-signing-documents-3742379

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596417#Comment_122596417

As a sceptic I’d totally agree - I see this purely as a “soft-focus” campaign stunt on behalf of the Trump campaign - it will be littered with proTrump propaganda - but that’s not how it will be marketed i reckon - it will be “an honest” account of a “loving wife’s” life to date and how she feels her darling husband is the antidote to all of the US ills.

I predict it will be heavily marketed on day time TV shows- likely the very shows watched by many fence sitters and erm, swingers🤪

I’m not sure it will only sell in Maga world- it will be a perfect beach book for winter sun holidays - short sentences, simple English 😀

There will be a curiosity factor that will make this book sell across the board-especially the female population - this is MAGA soft sell - and it’s likely designed to either reinforce beliefs using a different persona of Trumps wife, or to reach out and influence those undecided - ok yes, ideally they have to buy it to be influenced by it - but what about the soft day time interviews ? These will also help influence people

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596488#Comment_122596488

First there was TDS, now there's TPTS.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596516#Comment_122596516

The market you described is typically female-centric in a campaign where one of the canditates could end up being the first woman to become President while advocating for reproductive rights, while the other canditate is an adjudicated rapist of at least one woman and has bragged about torpedoing the reproducive rights of millions of women in the US.

I'm not certain how a ghost-written fluff-piece by the estranged trophy wife that he imported (and cheats on) will sway all that many. Also, I don't easily imagine the Melania book to easily land onto whatever the current equivilent to Oprah's Bookclub is. It's clearly a product of MAGAworld, and I can easily imagine MAGA-esque marketing along the lines of Trump's NFTs, Gold Shoes and Trump Bibles. To go beyond the typical MAGA-friendly marketing channels might be beyond their means. It's not impossible of course, but I don't see it happening unless they're willing to put a lot of their warchest behind it…and you know…a lot of that money is ringfenced for Donnie himself.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596111#Comment_122596111

He's been trashing every kind of conservative shibboleth for years and it never seems to dent his support on that side of the house.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596565#Comment_122596565

Some good points there- I’d doubt the watchers of Oprahs book club though are their ideal target audience - they’ll be mostly clear democrats I imagine - let’s see what happens- I’m sure the book will be ridiculed overall - but I do think it will sell- people love debate and discussion about books will generally read them and if you want to discuss the book you’ll have to read it first.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596565#Comment_122596565

Yeah.. I'd agree.

Hard to see this getting any air-tine of consequence on the mainstream day-time shows.

Will get a passing mention , but it isn't going to feature heavily , nor is Melania going to be sitting for interviews on the various morning shows promoting it. The risk of her getting asked "So , why did you stay with him when you found out about him sleeping with Porn-stars??" is just WAY to high.

Also , I can guarantee that there isn't a single mention of ANY of his alleged infidelities in this book .

Fox will talk about it , NewsMax will talk about it and the various MAGA Social media mouthpieces will declare it a "must read" but it won't make much of a ripple elsewhere.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596417#Comment_122596417

Any interesting excerpts will make it into news sites. But I suspect it will amount to paragraphs that people will laugh at it.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596583#Comment_122596583

I think Oprah or the likes of her tend to cover a large swaith of the potential audience. This may include a mix of Dem and GOP voters, but also a lot of independent moderate voters who end up swinging elections in most cases.

I do think the book will sell, but I sense that it will primarily sell to MAGA voters. Probably commited female MAGA-voters who are so intrenched that they don't mind creeping Handmaids Tale that comes with the MAGA mindet. So I see it selling, but I see it selling to people who either love Trump, or hate him enough to want to scan that book for kernals of Melania's hatred for him.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596630#Comment_122596630

The "Trad Wives" will lap it up , but actual undecided women voters aren't buying that and any media coverage outside of the MAGA bubble will be "Melania wrote a book about her Marriage and never mentioned all her Husbands infidelities".

Again , a story line that might resonate with the "Stand by your man" fundie wives but won't land at all outside of that echo-chamber.

In short - No ones mind is going to be changed by this ghost written dross.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596630#Comment_122596630

Again all interesting points and perspectives -we’ll certainly know soon enough either way- outside of America I think women mainly will buy it because they want gossip tittle tattle and to get a glimpse of who Melania really is - you could pretty much glean everything you wanted to know about Harry’s “Spare” from the newspapers - that didn’t stop millions buying it - I don’t think it will be in the same league sales wise, but I think it will make an appearance at the top best sellers list at least for a brief moment