Forgotten farmer scheme

morphy87

I see that the minster is hoping for a scheme to be launched for people who classify as forgotten farmers, any idea who would qualify for this and what will the payment rate be? I missed out on the insulation aid back in the day

Farmer Dan

Forgotten farmer
"Forgotten farmer is a term used to describe youngfarmers who lost out following the removal of youngfarmer supports (installation aid) due to cuts in public expenditure during the last recession.
They were then unable to qualify for young farmersupports introduced under CAP 2015, because, inmany cases, they had been farming for five years ormore."

Department of Agriculture analysis shows that approximately 3,500 farmers would meet the basic definition of a forgotten farmer.

No mention of payment rate as he is only hoping to get it in the 2025 budget. There is not a hope that any rate would be mentioned yet as it depends on what pot they get.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122259103#Comment_122259103

I done my green cert in 2011 so would someone like myself qualify for the installation aid?

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122259147#Comment_122259147

when did you start farming with a herd number?

893bet

I think you needed to have started farming before 2008 in your name and still be under the age of 40 in 2015 to be a “forgotten farmer”.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122259175#Comment_122259175

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122259186#Comment_122259186

I only transferred the herd number last year, but have bey paying tax since 2012, I was just wondering would I be eligible for the insulation aid, I was meant to do the green cert in 2009 but put it back a few years when the insulation scheme was scrapped

fulldnod

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058355893/forgotten-farmer-scheme

I wouldn't get ure hopes up, he been talking waffle about this for the last 3 years and he's only now looking for money 🙄

QA1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058355893/forgotten-farmer-scheme

I think I am a forgotten farmer did green cert in 06/07 have herd number before idid green cert was supposed to get 15k instillation **** you brendan smith 🤬 . Ifa & Macra didn’t make much noise at the time either

epfff

Its full on election mode.

You are definitely a forgotten farmer and you will receive large sums of money if you vote right in general election I have no doubt.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122259843#Comment_122259843

How were you paying Tax on farm income since 2012 if the herd number was not in your name?

In any case you only started farming last year “officially” by the looks of it if that’s when you got herd number. Assume you are 37 based on user name so you should be able to get the young farmers scheme etc at the moment and apply to national reserve if needed etc.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122260956#Comment_122260956

There is an element of this but I think the cohort of forgotten smaller is too small and dispersed to move the election needle. A golf scheme all farmers can apply to is what they need that’s easy qualify for ala last years fodders scheme.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122261840#Comment_122261840

it was complicated but I was paying it!

I’m in all those schemes but it was a pity to lose out on the instillation aid

morphy87

Was it worth €15000? If so that was a big loss

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262210#Comment_122262210

if you are in the young farmers scheme now then if you had gotten the aid back in the day …..you wouldn’t be in the young farmers scheme now I think. You didn’t miss out on anything if that’s the case.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262488#Comment_122262488

Your correct you couldn’t join the young farmers scheme now if you did, it was the the instillation aid that I really missed out on

Are you eligible for this new scheme if it opened?

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262551#Comment_122262551

“installation aid” was the name of the young farmers scheme of that time. You missed out on nothing.

If you had gotten the “installation aid” then you wouldn’t be in the young scheme now I think.

QA1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262217#Comment_122262217

yes 15k was a big blow when you had it spent already

mahoney_j

I was on my honeymoon when installation aid and early retirement for my dad was pulled …huge blow at the time …I’ll be following this with interest

amacca

Back then I missed out on getting single farm payments because I paid market rate rent to my father for land when he was in the farm retirement scheme....for some mental reason I had to pay zero or a nominal rate

Eventually got in at zero rising to average entitlements under Scottish derogation many years later...

Not had the stomach to actually calculate the full loss but reckon it's around the 100k range..

**** ridiculous rule in my case and if there's a good reason behind it in general then there should be the facility to make exceptions

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262613#Comment_122262613

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265063#Comment_122265063

So there was no scheme really, you just got a once off payment of €15000 and that was it not like now where you get a payment for 5 years

QA1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265593#Comment_122265593

yes just a once off payment of 15 k

DBK1

My understanding of it is if you got any payment at all from either the original installation aid or the young farmer scheme then you don’t qualify as a forgotten farmer.

The forgotten farmers were the ones that fell between those 2 stools. They missed out on the installation and then were either too old or too long farming to qualify for the young farmer scheme when that started.

There are about 3,500 farmers in the country that fall into this category.

@morphy87 if you’ve received any payment from the young farmer scheme then you are not a forgotten farmer.