Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

SpoonyMcSpoon

”My body my choice” 🤪

growleaves

States of Kansas is are suing Pfizer for marketing their Cov-19 vaccine as “safe” despite allegedly knowing it was linked to serious adverse events.

Pfizer "allegedly hid evidence of the shot’s link to myocarditis and pregnancy issues."

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4726687-kansas-sues-pfizer-misleading-statements-covid-vaccine/mlite/

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290033#Comment_122290033

A state run by Republican CT freaks. Really only proves that America has lost the plot.

Spiderman0081

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290143#Comment_122290143

Pfizer is an American company. Or do you mean everyone else in America has lost the plot, just not Pfizer.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290304#Comment_122290304

American Republicans are so deep into conspiracy territory that it is distorting their whole democracy. Its deeply troubling and this sort of action is just another example.

snowcat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289282#Comment_122289282

This is the type of person that puts future Vaccine rollouts at risk. Trying to demonise and create a divide. All persons out there that did not get vaccinated, missed a shot. are not up to date. This is what this specimen thinks of you. Reprehensible.

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290375#Comment_122290375

Nope just people who are anti-vaccination based on uneducated, moronic, and selfish reasons.

You know, idiots.

Out of curiosity, what biological science qualification do you have? Basic Honours Degree at minimum I assume, given your assured level of knowledge in this thread...

snowcat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290380#Comment_122290380

You are changing your criteria. You seem to come accross as uneducated yourself. My main reason for not getting the mRNA vaccine was a wait and see approach to the new tech. I would have taken a regular vaccine if one was available. Is that a suitable educated decision since you seem to have all the criteria wrapped up in a black and white package.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290033#Comment_122290033

It's the usual carry on in the states.

Would you describe e.g. seatbelts as safe? Absolutely. But technically you're wrong, some people (out of millions of cases) have died as a result of the seatbelt. Therefore quack lawsuit for describing seatbelts as safe.

Would you describe aspirin as safe? (bbzztt some people die from aspirin) Would you describe airline travel as safe? And so on

It's semantic nonsense. These cases are almost always thrown out.

Dohnjoe

Billions of doses delivered during a pandemic, untold millions of lives saved

"But that's not important! Look at this handful of people who may have died from the vaccines!!"

Two suspected fatalities in Australia out of 2 million doses

"How can they describe vaccines as safe?!?!? They are clearly dangerous!!"

Over 6 million dead to Covid

"Who cares they were old and going to die anyway" (that's an actual paraphrased quote from many similar)

Children dying as measles starts to make comeback due to people not getting their kids jabbed

Silence

Marty Bird

Didn’t take it so no regrets, with all the slogans keep safe and healthy its so sad to see that the population has got so overweight and sick.

you’d think after a once in 100 year event it would change people’s mindset. The obesity pandemic has gotten worse. Worrying times ahead.

Stay safe..

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290401#Comment_122290401

I don't know the fine details and merits of this case - I've just read this article - but -if- Pfizer withheld critical safety information then that is bad. Toyota and some other car companies have gotten stung for similar.

Spiderman0081

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290369#Comment_122290369

Saying that everyone who votes republican is a conspiracy theorist is extremely childish. Just as childish to paint every democrat a certain way. Only a person who is less traveled could make such a ridiculous statement.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290705#Comment_122290705

Qanon is popular among a significant proportion of MAGA voters. There is nothing childish in pointing this out.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290705#Comment_122290705

The US Republicans have taken a lurch to the far right (including populism, conspiracies, etc) that doesn't mean that literally every GOP voter is a conspiracy theorist.

Part of that lurch includes unfounded anti-vaccine beliefs.

Spiderman0081

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290739#Comment_122290739

And far right means?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290474#Comment_122290474

The diabetes epidemic will also impact a huge amount of people and from a much earlier age. The sugar intake is off the charts over the last 10 years. 1 in 9 people in UK have prediabetes. Most don't know.

Terrier2023

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290847#Comment_122290847

normal person who has time to join the dots and see and think for them selves. Normal person who can view the big picture & learn from mistakes like Sweden & Germany & the UK we are all sleep walking in to disaster on many levels. Far right is juist a slur a grandmother worried for the d=safety of her grand daughter on the street walking to school or in the playground is slurred with being far right its an empty term. Sticks & stones remember the saying, names will never hurt !!

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290863#Comment_122290863

So which parts of Qanon are true?

Terrier2023

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356394/anyone-else-feel-ashamed-of-getting-the-covid-shots

No one will admit to being ashamed for being un questioning & gullible and following the crowd, the ego cant admit its stupidity & failure so you will not get much support. But questioning your actions and being aware now is already brilliant & dont accept it un questionably again, as again will be here for a second time. God bless your enlightening !

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290885#Comment_122290885

Frankly your talking gibberish.

Terrier2023

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290898#Comment_122290898

why? why are such concerns gibberish answer that to me thanks

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290902#Comment_122290902

That sentence makes literally no sense.

Terrier2023

you have no counter argument so lets stop this before you start being nasty. granny has a right to be worried & she is. as would your family so there is no argument .Thanks

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285959#Comment_122285959

Again, as Odyssey pointed out (and was pointed out multiple times in excruciating detail about Omicron) you are misrepresenting data again to twist it to your own ends, as usual (this is by far your first rodeo).

My question, is this because you do not understand the data or because you choose to misrepresent the data. There is no option between them to wiggle through. I am going with the former as I don't believe an educated user would debase themselves this often but you can set the record straight for others. If it's the former, I repeat, educate yourself, if it's the latter, there is no hope for you.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122291106#Comment_122291106

Let's have a little balance all the same. I don't understand why people are getting attacked here so much. We have all moved on like. Most people recognise that Omicron was milder and that restrictions were removed/reduced soon after Omicron swept through. That is how it was reported widely. It was a game changer. Many experts predicted the virus would become more transmissible and less deadly and they were correct. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Covid became harmless when the Omicron variant arrived but it certainly helped. I cant find it now but I think Odyssey said Omicron gave you 25% (?) less chance of hospitalisation and that's fair enough.

Don't take my word for it. Did a quick Google of "omicron milder" and got these 2 links first.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-omicron

So far, Omicron strains have tended to be mostly mild, causing a runny nose, sore throat, and other cold-like symptoms, as opposed to lower respiratory tract symptoms. Experts say that the summer uptick in cases and hospitalizations in 2023 is much lower than COVID-19 spikes in previous years. But people 65 or older or who have a weak immune system are at higher risk of the virus traveling to the lower respiratory tract, causing severe illness. Some people infected with Omicron and its subvariants have still developed severe disease and had to go to the hospital, and some died. For that reason, experts continued to express concerns that a large volume of cases in a particular area could overwhelm medical centers, making it difficult to treat severe cases.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10242243/

Is Omicron really mild? – Comparative analysis of comorbidities and disease outcomes associated with SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (B.1.1.529) and Delta (B.1.617.2) variants.

Conclusion

The study concluded that the newer strains of SARS-CoV-2 have potential of high transmissibility and milder disease for the population by large, however, for patients with comorbidities have a higher proportion of adverse outcomes, irrespective of the variant.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122291559#Comment_122291559

The point is the difference between describing it as 'milder' in relation to other variants and 'mild' in absolute terms.

It is a fundamentally different description.

To use 'milder' as the basis for calling it 'mild' is therefore misrepresentation.

And then to use that misrepresentation as the basis for an attack on the Irish government's response, as if the Irish government\authorities deliberately were lying about it, that the Irish government knew it was 'mild' but brought in restrictions in bad faith. For reasons not to do with health concerns, but for social control. I've seen this bad faith argument being made before.

Be in no doubt - it is plainly dog whistling \ code word to support a bad faith argument being made against the Irish government. It is frankly conspiracy theory drivel.

This is not a 'mild' disease, either in terms of impact to individuals or society.

Some people infected with Omicron and its subvariants have still developed severe disease and had to go to the hospital, and some died. For that reason, experts continued to express concerns that a large volume of cases in a particular area could overwhelm medical centers, making it difficult to treat severe cases.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122291576#Comment_122291576

I get that but they are not my words in the links above. Blame Yale and whoever the other lot are 😉

I googled "omicron milder".

Sorry I see you edited your post. I dont understand why you are referring to the govt response or dog-whistling. I never said anything about that. You have lost me.

odyssey06

Ignore - thread stuck, needs extra post to rollover.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122290847#Comment_122290847

In terms of vaccination it has meant increasingly Republicans are more likely to be anti-vaccine, for example a poll in 2020 showed that 44% of Republicans believed a conspiracy that Bill Gates was going to use vaccines to implant people with microchips to monitor them and only 26% correctly identified the story as false (Democrats don't fair quite as bad, but still performed poorly)

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/poll-44-of-republicans-think-bill-gates-to-use-covid-19-vaccine-to-implant-tracking-chip

On a side note, social media has become the main vector of attack, a report in 2021 showed that just 12 sources were responsible for about 65% of online anti-vaccine propaganda and disinformation

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-disinformation-social-media-center-for-countering-digital-hate-report/

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122291593#Comment_122291593

I didnt say you had.

Read back the thread to where this whole 'mild' angle started. It is conspiracy theory drivel that the Irish gov knew Omicron was mild and still brought in restrictions not for good faith concerns but purely some social control power trip. Its a dog whistling version of the lockdown 4 ever rubbish we heard from the same quarters.

It is based on deliberately misrepresenting the early info from SA, cherry picking that one word and stripping out out all the context to deliberately create a deceptive and false impression.

Your post/ quoted article included the context showing the potential impact that a milder but more transmissible variant of covid could have in hospital cases. This establishes the reasonable basis for the concern re: Omicron and discredits the conspiracy theory.

BorneTobyWilde

The tens of thousands of excess deaths since the vaccine rollout is factual, but is it related, no one knows.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292004#Comment_122292004

Indeed, when Omicron was described as "mild", it meant mild relative to other variants. There's a milder version of Ebola. It "only" kills 1 out of 4 people instead of 9 out of 10.

Semantics are so often the cause. And often deliberately. There was a thread somewhere else on this site which spawned hundreds of posts because one poster interpreted "immunity" in the context of vaccines to mean some sort of "100% invulnerability" rather than increased resistance to the disease.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292078#Comment_122292078

Since covid hit excess deaths have been spiking, distorting excess death baseline comparisons which makes it difficult to account for background changes in demographics. It is not at all clear what actual excess deaths have occurred as if not age adjusted they are misleading.

It is well established in studies I linked on this thread that there is a significant increase in mortality in the weeks and months post covid infection. And that this effect was observed prior to vaccines being rolled out. This we know.

We have no need to 'just ask questions' about vaccines when the effect of covid and long covid is right in front of us.

CalamariFritti

I'd be very slow to blame the excess deaths after the covid years to any given reason. How could any of us know really? Its possible the vaccine played a role its also possible that covid itself is still playing a role but more likely its a multitude of reasons.

So I wouldnt blame the vaccine but maybe what catches up with us now are all the detrimental side effects of the lockdowns and measures and two years of scaring everyone out of their minds. Like suspended elective surgeries and preventive examinations, scans and whatnot. The fact no one wanted to be near a doctor and a hospital for 2 years. The decline in mental health due to the never ending doomsday crisis media chants. The meteoritic rise in living costs, on the back of it increased poverty, homelessness, hopelessness. It all adds up. And the warnings were there. A lot of people said dont make the measures worse then the disease but nobody wanted to hear.

I for one know for a fact my MIL was very badly affected by the covid years. She was already very elderly when it started but she was healthy and fit. Then she didnt leave the house for two years and even after covid she was afraid to do so, she couldn't shake off the covid scare and return to before. And now she no longer can leave the house because all that inactivity made her weak and she's on a bit of downward spiral. It definitely accelerated her decline.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292078#Comment_122292078

The "nobody knows" innuendo technique

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-excess-deaths-covid-19-vaccines-2024-02-06/

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34XJ69E

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/scicheck-no-evidence-excess-deaths-linked-to-vaccines-contrary-to-claims-online/

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122291106#Comment_122291106

Misrepresenting Data….you are criticising me for misrepresenting data. What I am doing is quoting the doctors who discovered the variant which tallied with our experience of Omnicron. I have not presented any data because I don't have to, what the doctors who discovered the variant said about how serious the variant was, tallied with our experience of the variant.

Misrepresenting data is what our government did on a daily basis for nearly two years, so I have a a justified reason to question any data presented to us.

1 - Death rate was mispresented (ie, ,people who died from falling out of a tree was a covid death if they managed to extract a positive test from the corpse)

2 Hospitalisations - (ie, stating the number of people who were hospitalized from covid and neglecting to differentiate between genuine hospitalisations and people who caught the virus whilst in hospital, a fairly important distinction)

3 Positive test results (ie, including people who were not sick, had no symptoms but the cycle rate of the PCR test was set to a level that would pick up fragments of a virus that may be weeks or more old)

And you claim to be able to understand the data!!!! give me a break, just because you are condescending and smug doesn't mean you are right.

Now, do not run off like you always do when your lies have been confronted and explain the 3 points that I made, prove it to everyone reading this thread that you "understand the data".

snowcat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289777#Comment_122289777

Mine does not and last time i wore a mask he said take it off.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292304#Comment_122292304

1. In an extreme case a man fell off a ladder, but in the autopsy doctors discovered large parts of his lungs were blocked as a result of acute respiratory distress syndrome with they surmised caused disorientation and his fall. In effect they concluded he died from a ladder fall as a result of Covid
2. Understandable, can be difficult to determine whether people caught the virus while in hospital during a pandemic
3. Some people were asymptomatic, they could test positive for Covid but show no symptoms. Likewise tests were not infallible, but results had to be respected (under the circumstances)

We're not an exception, all countries had these stats and measures. In a pandemic not all figures are going to be black/white nor are they going to be exact in every situation.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292555#Comment_122292555

All nonsense.

The hospitalizations numbers would have been very easy to track, we tracked where people picked up the virus outside of hospital settings. If a person arrived at a hospital because of covid a box could be ticked. If a person caught covid in hospital a different box could be ticked. It is a simple process. In fact, you'd have to wonder why it was allowed for the entire period, even a child could grasp what is wrong with that.

What kind of pandemic includes the numbers of people who were never sick?

Isn't it funny how all data pointed to a more exaggerated impact of the virus. Just like the modelling figures.

It's probably why, to this day, there are poor misfortunes who still believe that nearly ten thousand Irish people died from Covid.

When the reality is it is somewhere in the low hundreds. Way more people have been lost in elevated death numbers since covid but know one cares about those people.

You might excuse the health bureaucrats, politicians and media behaviour during those two dark years, but don't expect many of us like me to!

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292604#Comment_122292604

»When the reality is it is somewhere in the low hundreds.

According to you and your methodology, only several hundred people died as a result Covid in Ireland correct?

I presume you can support that (usual disclaimer: denial/incredulity is not support)

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292698#Comment_122292698

There was no excess death in the period. https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/26bd4-oecd-research-shows-ireland-avoided-excess-deaths-during-core-pandemic-years/

If there was no excess deaths then what happened? Where is the near ten thousand deaths?

Now, those of us with keen eyes for data can pick apart the figure's I wonder if you can.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292716#Comment_122292716

There were excess deaths from covid in other countries which did not have our level of restrictions. They demonstrate what would have happened here had we listened to the covid denialists.

All you are doing is proving the threat covid represented and how Ireland took necessary steps against it.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292735#Comment_122292735

Show me the data from North Dakota and South Dakota. One state had restrictions and one state didn't, they are closest in demographics, geography, climate and as near to a real time trial as we can get, since you are the one obsessed with data from all over the world.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292604#Comment_122292604

Your points were explained to you quite clearly, that you choose not to understand them continually, is on you (ladder conspiracy, really? you've fallen far).

@Cluedo Monopoly don't get sucked in by posters like this "Just asking questions". They've been at it for years on a variety of topics.

(I'm just dipping in and out of this but it's amazing to see the same misinformation being peddled as a few years ago)

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292749#Comment_122292749

So you aren't going to address the 3 simple examples I gave you. I suspected you wouldn't you frequently do this, you dissappear when confronted with your lies.

Fine, so, since you consider yourself someone who "understands the data" do you think it was possible to discern between patients who were hospitalized from Covid and those who were infected in hospital? Like I said, a bunch of kids could have figured out this one.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292746#Comment_122292746

In the space of two posts you have gone from:

"those of us with keen eyes for data can pick apart the figure's I wonder if you can."

to

"since you are the one obsessed with data from all over the world."

Self discrediting isn't it, when your claims are challenged on the basis of data and evidence?

When you are the one presenting information it is touted as, "keen eyes for data".

When asked a challenging question it becomes "you are the one obsessed with data."

So which is it? Is looking for and at evidence showing a "keen eye" or does it show as being "obsessed"?

Doesn't take long for the "just asking questions" charade to fall by the wayside does it?

Take a look at your own posts and apply your own advice to them, I reject the loaded premises of your question, which betray only the double standards evident in your posts.

We have already seen on this thread how you tried to misrepresent information about Omicron from South Africa, and its impact in Ireland.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292775#Comment_122292775

Ok, let me rephrase it in a way you understand. Because to be fair, I may not have been clear.

I don't trust the data from our Government or our media. I have outlined 3 very good reasons why. Anyone with a keen eye for data can see the same issues I see, in fact an amateur can see the same issues.

You are obsessed with data from all over the world, you mentioned Hong Kong not so long ago, if I don't trust the Irish data I am not going simply trust the data from anywhere else and I sure as hell don't trust news reports from all over the world.

The reason why the government stated in January this year that there was no increase in excess death is because they have factored in population increase, there was an increase in excess deaths in 2020/2021 but it was very small, in the low hundreds, the problem now is, the rates of excess deaths have increased in a major way over the last two years that will have to be explained to the public at some point in the near future, if they factor in population increase they can spin it. But the figures are up by over 10%, more in some months.

Let me be crystal clear, I am reluctant to believe the vaccines are causing that increase, I do think it has more to do with the severe impact of two years of lock down, which were exceptionally unhealthy for a myriad of reasons.

Let me be also crystal clear, Covid was a very nasty infection I saw with my own eyes how nasty it can be in isolated cases.

I fundamentally believe that Governments all over the world over reacted for reasons we can only speculate and as such did enormous damage that naturally, they are reluctant to face up to!

I also, despite my caustic manner at times, understand why people think the opposite to me believe it or not. I came into Jan 2020 with little or no trust in media, before all the madness started, I accept that that doesn't make me right, but I do react to the scorn shown to posters here who criticized the actions of our government and media.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356394/anyone-else-feel-ashamed-of-getting-the-covid-shots

Why are you even concerned about? You made the decision at the time based on the information available, it's done and dusted and now it's time to move on. There will be lots of situations over your life time that you'll make decisions that in hindsight you'd prefer to have done differently, but that is life. It is worse being indecisive because that is by default a decision and I have one cousin who has missed out on so much in life because of not deciding one way or the other.

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122292826#Comment_122292826

You're trying to be nice in your tone allowing for not being all knowing and subjective. You explain where you're coming from and bring your stuff across reasonably. Do not expect reciprocation. There is a small cohort of posters here who are dominating every single thread on the subject and they will never give an inch. Ever. You will be berated, schooled, patronised and most likely insulted too and thats all you gonna get. They will never ever even concede the smallest point.