Soldier beats a woman unconscious, gets a great reference from his commanding officer, avoids jail.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301742#Comment_122301742

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122302113#Comment_122302113

Yeah, I'm the one dealing in whataboutery here.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122302146#Comment_122302146

Emotion doesnt automatically make it a gender based attack though, any more than if Nigel was in a wheelchair would it make it a disabled based attack or if Nigel was black would it be race based attack.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122302168#Comment_122302168

If you dont think that men have to learn from an early age to exercise caution and weigh up interactions with other men then you are horribly misinformed.

Its a pity you chose to put both paragraphs in the 1 post as now I cant thank the second one.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303590#Comment_122303590

I’m not saying emotions make it a gender-based attack. I’m saying it stirs more emotions, revulsion, outrage when a man beats a woman.

There’s that automatic feeling that “she had no chance.” That women, being smaller and physically weaker have very little defence/chance. It just resonates differently.

I am repulsed and feel anger when I hear anyone has suffered a violent assault. It really is an awful thing to happen to a person.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303652#Comment_122303652

Sorry, to clarify, I do not mean that you are saying that, but others, namely volchista are.

The fact that it was a woman makes it a gender based attack, despite any evidence to support it.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303187#Comment_122303187

By that same logic, him serving a suspended sentence is following the rules of our justice system.

You cant have it both ways!

Galwayguy35

Crotty was a scumbag and should have got jail.

Kyle Hayes did the same thing to someone but why weren't there any protests over that ?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303666#Comment_122303666

I get ya. Only Crotty really knows. Something made him snap and do what he did. Maybe to him it was just a person he was “seeing.” A person that irritated him (in his mind), which caused him to launch his assault.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303688#Comment_122303688

Becsuse it’s a real outlier. Beating a woman you don’t know. It rarely happens. Far more prevalent with male on male “stranger” assaults. It will obviously stir emotions and outrage more.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303731#Comment_122303731

Should the outrage not be the same though?

Prime Time did a piece last week on men being killed by a punch to the head by a stranger on the street yet there wasn't a peep from any politician or the print media in the following days about it.

Crotty is a dirtbag and deserves all the heat he is getting but it doesn't sit well with me that its seen as less serious if the victim is male.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301647#Comment_122301647

" Gender based violence" is an ideological term - NGO speak

Anyone heard using it is not to be trusted as being without an agenda to push

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122303674#Comment_122303674

It would be having it both ways if I implied the sentence was in some way illegal.I never claimed it was. Appeal allows the sentence to be changed. It's a highly controversial ruling and and there's no laws against discussing such a ruling. So if it does end up appealed and he ends up doing jail time, that doesn't make him a victim. It just means a violent offender goes to jail for a while.

Oscar_Madison

My God she was brilliant on Primetime this evening - she just gets better and more articulate each time she’s interviewed.

[Mod Snip]

Babyreignbow

Shes traumatised. I don't think it's healthy for her to be fronting a campaign atm, she's carrying it all by herself and I think it's way to much for her. In her victim impact statement she described how she dissociated as a result of the attack and I think she knows herself the impact this is having on her and I wish someone would just help her right now.

screamer

i was thinking to myself what if this soldier was on a tour of duty abroad and beat up a woman there leaving her unconscious…. what punishment would be metered out?????

skimpydoo

Whilst the Dail stood up for Natasha, a FG senator John McGahon was up in court for alleged assault and battery. How can Harris say he is appalled about what happened to Natasha and yet he has done nothing about one of his party who previously stuck a Twix up the arse of someone who had fallen asleep. Surely the court case listed below is the final straw and he should be removed from FG and removed as a senator. FG not a normal party.

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1805655710430380344

SafeSurfer

Whst happened to Natasha O Brien was horrendous. Her attacker should have received a much more severe sentence. However, for the Taoiseach to all but call for the DPP to intervene and for the Dail to give the victim a standing ovation is a dangerous precedent.
Victims not receiving justice is not a new phenomenon. Why has this case received such prominence and unprecedented political comment?

SafeSurfer

Or Christina Anderson. She will be out in 4 years for stabbing a man to death for parking in the wrong place.

Babyreignbow

Timing really. It came on the back of a week of reports and legislation aimed to deal with these issues specifically and then gave way for the tribunal into the DF to proceed. A watershed moment where all these events coalesced and became a defining point.

(also, Uranus just entered Taurus 😉)

Ten of Swords

@Glenfieldman threadbanned

Babyreignbow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304596#Comment_122304596

Am not a doctor but this.

Causes of Dissociation
Trauma. You may psychologically disconnect from the present moment if something really bad happens to you. This is called peritraumatic dissociation. Experts believe this is a technique your mind uses to protect you from the full impact of the upsetting experience you had.

It's hard to describe but it is like being on drugs, without the drugs. It's automatic so you have no contol over it. It also affects your ability to communicate effectively or speak coherently and it can last for a while.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304596#Comment_122304596

She was the victim of a life threatening assault and was told by a judge with full evidence and admission of guilt that "boys will be boys" with essentially no consequence for the assailant.

I think it's a miracle she can gather her thoughts to say anything. I think I would say nothing and buy a ticket to some other country as soon as possible.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304546#Comment_122304546

Because victims not receiving justice is not a new phenomenon. This is the straw that breaks the camel's back, and crystallises the issue, demonstrating everything that has been wrong, from the judge's conduct, to the 'character reference' from a person in a position of authority.

Many people after receiving such disgraceful conduct from the authorities would shy away, inflicting more trauma.

But here we have someone willing to come forward, as a champion, and a lightning rod for the concerns that people have been expressing for a long time about this issue and sentencing. We have seen her suffer foul abuse here and online also.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304886#Comment_122304886

I think the inconvenient truth for the government is that they don’t have plans in place for a new prison and they know they need one.
While the initial outrage has been focused on the judge, I think it will quickly turn to the government of the day.

We can explore what’s possible in terms of judges improving their sentencing approach but if they know the prison system is under strain, there’s more likelihood of suspended sentences overall. Thats obvious at this stage.

I imagine the quickest solution to free up space in prisons is to build low security units and house non violent offenders or those nearing the end of their sentences who are low risk of walking out - home tagging is probably another option but no matter what the option, it will all take time and money to implement.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304886#Comment_122304886

I haven’t seen any “foul” abuse of the victim on here.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305004#Comment_122305004

That's because thankfully such posts tend to have a short lifespan on boards.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305004#Comment_122305004

There's been a few nasty remarks here but from what I can see on Twitter, there's outsight conspiracy theories being built about her. This place is largely fine on her.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305024#Comment_122305024

Wow-didn’t know that- TG I stay away from that cesspit

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122305024#Comment_122305024

I see. Yes I have seen some SM posts/thoughts on her alright, relating to her being so public.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122304546#Comment_122304546

I agree. It’s lip service to placate the mob and comparable to the aftermath of the Ashling Murphy killing. I too agree this attack should have see a custodial sentence, but it’s quite concerning how many people seem unaware of the influence the media reporting has had here again.