Civil Service Leave Entitlements on Promotion

qwertty77

I've recently got a promotion after 17 years of EO to Engineer Grade II and am wondering how annual leave entitlements work. New grade has leave entitlements of 25 on start, 29 (after 5 years), 31 (after 10 years). HR seem to think that I revert from my current 27 days to the start point of 25 days on the new grade but surely given that I already have more than 10 years service within the civil service I should be entitled to the maximum of 31 days or at least retain my current 27 days. 27 days is the maximum entitlement on my current EO grade which was applied upon 14 years of service.

Has anyone else had experience of annual leave entitlement on changing civil service grades?

Thanks

caviardreams

The new levels apply as you are starting from scratch in that grade - just like the salary scale for the role. I believe 30 days is the new max in any role for those promoted or hired new so you may wish to check that also

doc22

Serving officers appointed or promoted to a new post may retain their existing annual leave allowance
if it is greater than the allowance which would otherwise apply. This is subject, however, to the maximum
allowance applicable to the new post not being exceeded.
For example, an officer, with an annual leave allowance of 25 days rising to 29 days after five years
and 30 after 10 years’ service promoted or appointed to a grade with an annual leave allowance of 27
days rising to 30 days after five years’ service, may:-
(1) where the officer has more than five years, but less than 10 years’ service in the
lower grade, retain 29 days annual leave on appointment to the higher grade, and
(1a) reckon any period of service in either grade where the officer had an annual leave
allowance of 29 days as qualifying service for an annual leave allowance of 30 days in
the higher grade.
(2) where the officer is promoted, after (say) four years’ service in the lower grade, they
should be granted 27 days on the date of appointment to the higher grade, rising to 29
days on the date they would have attained five years’ service in the lower grade had
they not been appointed to the higher grade and 30 after days on attaining five years’
service in the higher grade.
Periods of special leave without pay of 6 months or more which do not reckon for the purposes of
accruing annual leave will not reckon as service for additional annual leave for the purposes of the
arrangements set out above.

Gumbo

my mate moved from local authority to civil service. Technical role too. OPW.

The civil service recognised his years as a public servant and he got the max of 30 days.

Also entry point to the scale should be the next one plus one.

I thought engineer grade 2 Capped out at 30 days though? OPW seems to?

leanbh

What is the maximum allowance to new post- is it always 30 days in civil service.

My old post (ao pre 2012) had max of 31 days- my new post ap higher grade has max of 30 I'm told so I lose a day?

How is that?

caviardreams

When the circular on leave was introduced (2013/14?) the new levels (max 30 days) apply to all new hires or promoted employees

leanbh

So I lose annual leave by taking a promotion?

caviardreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318703#Comment_122318703

Yes. New AOs or people promoted to AO now would only get a max of 30 (or whatever the new max for AO is) also.

Daith

You'll definitely only get a max of 30. I would have thought you kept your 27 days though.

You might lose FlexTime if you were on that?