General Premier League Thread 2024-25

Necro

New Thread to continue discussion for General Premier League. Old thread closed.

CSF

Villa qualified for CL.

y0ssar1an22

anyone know what this is about - was it a temporary thing to pass the fit and proper persons test?

Newcastle co-owners Amanda Staveley and Mehrdad Ghodoussi are to leave the club, confirmed.

Their share will be sold after three years at the club, as part of the plan.

Fitz*

Sounds like there is some internal trouble with Chelsea's playing squad.

Enzo Fernandez filmed himself and some other Argentinian players singing some derogatory (racist) chants towards Mbappe and other French players.

Some French players at Chelsea have taken offence to this and have said so publicly.

Pauliedragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122363212#Comment_122363212

If your to believe the online rumours it was Boris Jonson who leaned on the PL to let his Saudi pals buy into Newcastle.

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390520#Comment_122390520

Who does Fernandez think he is fooling with this comment ""I stand against discrimination in all forms and apologise for getting caught up in the euphoria of our Copa America celebrations. That video, that moment, those words, do not reflect my beliefs or my character. I am truly sorry." ?

I'd like to see the first training session where he is up against Disasi and Fofana. I know what I would do. More than FIFA will anyway, I'm guessing.

retalivity

Footballers really are thick as sh1te.

Singing something you know will get you in trouble, and is offensive to your club teammates? go ahead mate. Same as Rodri and the Gibraltar stuff, he knows he'll be back in Manchester in a few weeks right?

doc_17

Looks like Utd getting Yoro. Not sure it’ll be good for them this year, might pay off in a year or 2, but it’s a big chunk of their budget on a player who you’d think, at 18, won’t be at the required level for a year or 2.

Pauliedragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390903#Comment_122390903

They really are. It's bad enough if some member of the public filming them in private but they put it up online themselves. What a shitshow for Maresca to walk into, poor bastard.

pjohnson

That Argentina group seems to be a problem. Didn't LoCelso make derogatory remarks about Koreans that he had to apologise to Son for? It seemed like it was just a case of LoCelso being a bit thick and harmless but now another racism problem from the same group seems very dodgy.

~Rebel~

It wasn't even some song that was borderline, where upon reflection it could be seen as problematic — it was just straight up super racist. Insane thing to 1) be singing, and 2) be singing so joyously while live streaming yourself, and 3) be ring-leading when it's so directly about so many of your own clubmates who you're literally right about to go join up with.

As Fofana posted after; "Le football en 2024: racisme decomplexe," ("Football in 2024: uninhibited racism")

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122391520#Comment_122391520

At least Enzo isn't on a comically long term deal that would complicate trying to get rid.........oh

loyatemu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390903#Comment_122390903

not quite the same thing, I don't imagine Phil Foden and Kyle Walker give much of a damn about Gibraltar.

doc_17

Chelsea should try and get rid now. He’s been underwhelming at best. They overpaid for him, they’ll should accept that. And take the best offer they can get.

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122391671#Comment_122391671

Yeah, I wish it would be a problem for them but no chance……. do even 1% of UK give a stuff about Gibraltar?

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394414#Comment_122394414

No, but the important 0.01% do.

Deise Vu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122391457#Comment_122391457

That was Bentancur not Lo Celso.

Iseedeadpixels

Fair play to the City negotiators for getting Savio on such a great deal.....

y0ssar1an22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122397150#Comment_122397150

dont forget using troyes as the middleman to skirt related club rules playing in same european comp.

Lauras Law

Alexis MacAllister has released the following statement about the Enzo racist video.

"You have to be careful with what you say or do, especially in Europe where they are much more sensitive than here. The reality is that we are not a racist country; we are not used to talking about racism so much.

"Yes, it's a very important topic, obviously. Enzo has already apologized and explained what happened. I don't think there's much more to say. We know Enzo, we know he would never do it with bad intentions, he's not that guy, he's not racist.

"It's just a chant that got stuck and is more of a mocking tone than anything else. But, as I said, you have to be very careful.

"I think the most important thing is that Enzo came out, gave the corresponding apologies, and that, in the end, should be valued."

The funny thing is, MacAllister is defending Enzo saying that we are just much more sensitive in Europe, yet he kicked up a fuss previously with his Argentinian teammates because they were calling him "Ginger".

doc_17

MacCallister should stay out of it. His statement reall doesn’t help with anything, he even tries to make it seem that the problem is overly sensitive Europeans.

AdamD

It wasn't even a slightly out of touch racist moment, it was a full on racist chant that specifically targets French players with African roots. That's numerous players in Chelsea's starting 11…

Pauliedragon

I'm a bit lost on this one. When and why did Argentina start singing this song? It's not as if they've a massive rivalry going back over the years.

artanevilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122398829#Comment_122398829

Echos of the support that Suarez got from his teammates when he used a blatantly racist term over and over again against Patrice Evra (incidentally another French player with African origins). His defence was that it is acceptable in South America.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122399294#Comment_122399294

The song originated in Qatar in the run-up to the final, it was a fan-created song. It clearly is an objectionable song, but I think we all know that not all fan songs are acceptable whether it's 'Build a bonfire and put the scousers on the top', '10 German Bombers' or even Ireland fans singing 'They're dirty, they're greasy, we're going to beat them easy, Italy' back in the 1990s.

The French/Argentinian rivalry appears to have started with that Qatar final (although obviously not the first time they've met). It's unfortunate really. This was a candidate for the greatest game ever and it would have have nice if both teams had been able to share a subsequent camaraderie about the magnificence of the occasion they'd shared. But sadly (and a lot of it appears down to Argentina, Emilio Martinez in particular) the aftermath of that game seems to have been prolonged nastiness and bitterness. Therefore the song has stuck amongst Argentinian fans as France have become a source of hatred, almost on a level with Brazil.

That's just some background for you. Obviously the players subsequently singing it has brought it to another level way beyond an objectionable fan-song.

TitianGerm

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1814239067451650490?t=KwY3g62ISlqTuueUzYDkiw&s=19

Another buyer has pulled out of the Everton deal. This is very bad news for the club.

Mitch Connor

not just that they have pulled out - the reason for pulling out would be a worry too, would that also put off any other potential buyer?

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122399807#Comment_122399807

You'd imagine it'll be getting harder to actually get someone in the door now and they could be in danger of going under.

Will_I_Amnt

It centers around the £200m owed to 777 Partners who WILL go into administration and whose creditors will have to take a haircut - meaning Everton won't actually owe £200m. My guess is there is some disagreement between Moshiri and The Friedkin Group over how much that haircut will be and the consequent value of the club from that point onwards.

Added to the fact that 777 are involved in numerous litigation cases in the US amid accusations of fraud, implying that the £200m Everton owe is part of the money which 777 allegedly gained fraudulently - it's particularly sensitive to an American investor to get mixed up in all of that mess. Possibly not so for an investor of any other nationality.

The Rooster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122400231#Comment_122400231

When an administrator is appointed his job will be to monetize all its assets, which includes collecting every single penny legally owed to 777. He won’t be offering haircuts to debtors.

The people who have to take haircuts will be those who are owed money by 777 (as presumably 777 liabilities are well in excess of assets).

Will_I_Amnt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122400383#Comment_122400383

The £200m is money owed by 777 to ACAP - It was money they borrowed from them in the first place

doc_17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122399367#Comment_122399367

Maybe, But there’s also a difference. Enzo put it out himself and incriminated himself. There was so much disputed in the Suarez Evra case.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401596#Comment_122401596

Not if you read the actual report. He admitted it.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122400477#Comment_122400477

But wasn't it then loaned from 777 to Everton?

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401596#Comment_122401596

😬😬😬😬

NITRO95

Enzo needs to find his nearest T-Shirt Factory. T-Shirts solve everything and make it ok

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395784#Comment_122395784

Ah ok.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122398362#Comment_122398362

Christ almighty who told him to wade in with a jerry can of petrol to help? Moronic.

Fitz*

MacAllister didn't release a statement. He had an interview with an online radio (podcast?) guy and gave an answer to a question, in Spanish, so the above 'statement' is a loose translation of what he said. He didn't "wade in on it".

We don't know if that was one question within an hour or if it just that one question he was asked and forced to answer or what the context of the interview was, or could it have been avoided. Would have been a lot better to say nothing alright, but not as easy when put on the spot.

No surprise to see the pile-on on him here, relative to the actual incident, when he wasn't even on the bus of players that were actually chanting. Who were those players?

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402108#Comment_122402108

A pile on? Ehh, bit of an exaggeration, no? The fact is, it appears he has tried to defend racist chanting. Now maybe it is completely out of context, or just a small piece of the overall interview or whatever, but it appears he is trying to defend the indefensible.

He plays for a club that has recent history of backing players that engaged in racist conduct so naturally, it's a talking point. One or two comments on it does not a pile on make tbh.

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402108#Comment_122402108

Mod: post removed and poster warned for contest of the original post.

pjohnson

ok then racism is to be ignored because Europeans are sensitive and Suarez was racist years ago.

makes sense. Chant on Enzo chant on.

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402281#Comment_122402281

It was an active mod that initally drew the parallel to the Suarez incident.....

El Gato De Negocios

And he's a villa fan.🤷‍♂️

Pat_bottom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402281#Comment_122402281

Holy moly so the people that discuss it are called names but the footballers that excuse it are excused themselves. If someone not outraged by that statement/interview whatever you want to call it I'd be seriously taking a long hard look in the mirror.

Saying it's OK to do it in South america but not in Europe because they have different values is not OK. It's racism no matter where in the world it is. It's stone age thinking.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402313#Comment_122402313

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402321#Comment_122402321

Its almost as bad a reaction as MacAllisters tbh.

adox

Deja vu. No shame.

The Rooster

Suarez and Cavani using the “N..ito” word is very different to the current controversy.

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402646#Comment_122402646

How is it different?

Racism / racist conduct is racism, there are no shades of grey.

DM_7

Mod: October 2011. That was when Suarez was accused of racially abusing Patrice Evra. The actions of Suarez, others and the findings of the investigation resulting in a guilty verdict, fine and ban are a long time ago now. They do not relate to Chelsea and Argentina player Enzo Fernandez' words, video or the anger of his teammates at Chelsea.

Please move on from the comparison made.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402324#Comment_122402324

Who said its OK though? Pretty much no one. Mac then came out and said Argentina wasn't a racist country and Endo wasn't racist either. Which is hardly an outrageous position to take.

Pat_bottom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403303#Comment_122403303

But that's not just all he said. He basically said its ok to sing it in south America but in Europe you can't because they are sensitive(making an excuse for racist behavior). He said the song isn't racist it's just something that's mocking and got stuck(again making an excuse for it because in my mind mocking someone over their origins is basically racism). Just becasue someone doesn't think they are racist doesn't meant they ain't racist.

If you personally yourself believe that the song was racist then surely you can surely see why Endo saying its ok to sing it in south America but not Europe is wrong.

You're picking snippets from the paragraph and ignoring the racist part and it's just facilitating this behaviour in society.

Just out of curiosity do you belive the song to be racist? Or do you believe it's OK to sing a racist song in one part of the world and not the other? Genuine question because it's only a genuine debate if you believe to to be wrong.