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Getting out of electric

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  • #502
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503417#Comment_122503417

    Yes ok.
    you and your imaginary scenarios. Loosing the run of oneself is correct. EV not for you. That’s fine. No need to harp on about it every month.



  • #503
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503419#Comment_122503419

    A €500 euro ice can do that too. You just plucked arbitrary figures from your hoop and claim that I'm disputing them. 🤣 Good luck👍

    ****, sunny ****.



  • #504
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,131 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The only person I know who got out of EV basically lost interest in it. I can't point to anyone thing, because there wasn't anything they were struggling with.



  • #505
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,286 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503459#Comment_122503459

    you originally posted

    Was the 1.4 diesel free? You're flip flopping from one ridiculous misinformed opinion to another. Electric vehicles are no longer more expensive than their petrol/diesel equivalents and good second hand ev's are now within reach of most family's. 

    and I’m disputing that second hand EVs are not within reach of most families.
    10k is a lot of money and a 10k EV can’t do what a 10k ICE can do.



  • #506
    Ir3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭Ir3


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503590#Comment_122503590

    this is simply cos it’s a new tech though. Your argument is daft. Stick with ICE, simples!



  • #507
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503590#Comment_122503590

    And 13-15k gets you a good second hand Ev. In reach of most people.

    ****, sunny ****.



  • #508
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,131 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503590#Comment_122503590

    What's the average cost of a car that "most" families buy? What does "most" mean?



  • #509
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503810#Comment_122503810

    I was the one that mentioned "most" and by that I meant the majority.

    ****, sunny ****.



  • #510
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,131 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503853#Comment_122503853

    Majority of what? People who buy a car?



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  • #511
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,131 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "...On average motorists are spending €1,630 more on their car than the previous year, the average spend jumping from €16,370 to €18,000.."

    I see a figure of the average price of used car was 14k a few years back, and the average new car sold is 30-40k.

    No idea where 10k came from. Plucked from thin air in guessing.

    Again none of this has to do with the topic title. Feels like few know any that have gone back to ICE..



  • #512
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    One thing I'll say about family affordability....the ford focus used to be the most popular family car bought in Ireland, now it's the Hyundai Tucson which is much more expensive.

    Golfs became Tiguans.

    Affordable family hatchbacks became affordable family SUVs and the price jumped a lot. In both the new and used markets.

    There's plenty of affordability out there

    I think for most people working anything from 15 to 20k is affordable, depending on housing costs and childcare



  • #513
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,636 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503407#Comment_122503407

    The Adrian Weckler argument I call that.



  • #514
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,636 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504111#Comment_122504111

    If our best selling car is the Hyundai Tucson and that starts at €39k and goes up to €52.5k… Has that become our new "affordable" bracket because there is plenty of EVs in that price bracket and many many priced lower



  • #515
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,904 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122503101#Comment_122503101

    but why look at purchase price? Cost of ownership is very different.
    my repaymentss and electricity for the ID4 is cheaper than my fuel and maintenance costs for the 2007 Touran it replaced



  • #516
    kaahooters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122505451#Comment_122505451

    so, this is actually a really intresting question. people seem to prefer a lower initial investment, for higher running costs as tehy "feel" its better value. its how everythings becoming a subscription.

    jack buys a car for 10k, and costs him 200 a month +fuel (200 a month), jack sees that as 200 and dosent see the fuel cost.

    mark buys an ev for 15k, costs him 250 a month +fuel, mark researched and found out that fuel cost him 200 a month in an ice, and 50 a month in electricty. meaning a better and more affordable car long term then the ice.



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  • #517
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,636 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122505509#Comment_122505509

    Depreciation is an issue as well. That's why it's useful to remember that even on a PCP plan, which relies on future values being high, an EV will be cheaper than an ICE. Again, a no-brainer

    Hyundai Tucson

    Retail price (not inc dealer delivery etc): €39,045

    Deposit: €13665.75

    GMFV: €17,570.25

    Monthly Payments €305.01 for 36 months

    APR: 4.99%

    Tesla Model 3

    On-the-road price: €38,607

    Deposit €13665.75 (can be lower and attract higher monthly payments, kept the same for comparison purposes)

    GMFV €11,196

    Monthly Payments €301 for 48 months

    APR: 0.99%



  • #518
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122505451#Comment_122505451

    You do realise that a lot of people don’t have the finances to just jump into a brand new ID4 right? Regardless of how much it may save them per month. Or some people may choose to buy a used car outright instead of being stuck in the cycle of constantly financing a depreciating asset..



  • #519
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭fits


    well you are either financing the fuel and servicing and upkeep or the depreciation. I pick the depreciation as we get to drive a modern safe car.



  • #520
    kaahooters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506455#Comment_122506455

    do you get how the market works?
    so, new cars will be brought in for the first "early adoptors", tehy move on to the next v2 of the car, v3 ect (usually theses people are in high paying jobs, or status jobs)

    those cars go to the 2nd hand market alowing others to own at a lower cost, ect ect ect ect ect.

    its no diffrent form an ev to an ice, people are just complaning atm as ev are depericiating correctly as the market shows, and ice cars arent, still due to "covid" ( hint, its not)

    the people that spen 10k on a car ten years ago, and swap every 2 - 3 years will still do that, and there starting to get really good deals on evs.

    as soon as the glut of taxi ev start hitting the market in teh next 18 months, when they all start coming to the end of the cycles the more bargin evs hit the market, same thing happend in norway.



  • #521
    User1998
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506557#Comment_122506557

    A small Japanese car like a Toyota Yaris or similar is going to cost feck all in maintenance and repairs. And don’t forget the new EV will require expensive main dealer servicing to upkeep the battery warranty. Hardly worth changing to a brand new EV and spending thousands upon thousands in depreciation. Unless you were doing crazy mileage and spending hundreds per month on fuel.



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  • #522
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,904 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506455#Comment_122506455

    but your not financing a depreciation asset.
    If you go for PCP, the only money you need is the deposit. Which is the Same as or less than your going to buy your used car for.

    My example is 8k deposit, and 250 a month.
    I was paying 250 alone in petrol+ then I had ongoing maintenance, 500 extra in road tax, €55 NCT etc


    so you see it’s cheaper for me to drive a new car than a 2007 POS Touran

    If I hand it back the only cost over driving a piece of sh1t ICE was 8K and no worries about depreciation, but even then that 8k can be reduced when you consider the savings on road tax, maintenance, cost of buying a used car etc






  • #523
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,904 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506642#Comment_122506642

    Tell me more about these expensive main dealer services?

    Tesla does a not have them, VW gave me a service pLan for €300 that included 4 tyres, wipers, etc

    Also the service interval is 24 months. Much longer than a ICE

    Post edited by ted1 on


  • #524
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭fits


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506642#Comment_122506642

    spent very little on servicing over 84000 km on an ID.3. Running costs were tiny compared to the 06 diesel it replaced. Outside of depreciation of course which was 6000 a year. Saved 2500-3000 a year on fuel though.



  • #525
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506725#Comment_122506725

    To clarify, Tesla does not have them.
    no scheduled servicing to main Tesla warranty required.

    Kia require yearly service, Toyota the same to maintain the 10 year warranty buts I’d pay that as the warranty is a big plus IMO.



  • #526
    vimalandrew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭vimalandrew


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122506642#Comment_122506642

    My Toyota Bz4x - first three free services are over. Car has run over 55000km. They said that next- 4th service at 60000km will cost around 250 euros. Currently, for night charging in my home, it costs 17 cents and for full charge it costs 11 euros. In a month I drive around 3000km and it costs me 120 euros only.

    Also who said that Toyota Yaris will cost for maintenance and repairs. From all the Toyota owners, I see there is no cost other than annual maintenance servide and also you are guaranteed to drive it for 20 years at least including RAV4.



  • #527
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,904 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122507060#Comment_122507060

    correct. That was a typo on my part



  • #528
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I suppose to return to the beginning of the thread. Out on the car park this morning this week and notice three more EVs have started parking at the office , id4, m3 and i3 BEV. All used purchases

    While there is a lot of gloom around, there are still people switching. Know the guy in the ID in passing and was chatting to him. Car needed to be changed and said it was hard to look past the value in a used ID4.

    The used ones are very good value at the moment tbf.



  • #529
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122527567#Comment_122527567

    100%

    3 family members bought EV in July.
    1 friend bought EV in August already and a local firm have added 5 EV transits to their fleet.

    I also sold my 2020 M3P within 2 weeks on DoneDeal very close to asking price at €32k. I was asking €34,750.



  • #530
    donkey balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,555 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Have my E tron just over a year now and charge both at work&home, I do about 150km commute to work each week. Another lad in work does about 1000km a week in an ID4 reckons diesel saving of around 8k pa. I've heard that another lad who has the BZ4X is going back to a diesel not sure on the exact time frame.

    Another lad has i Think one of the KIA models and he said that he will not be going back to ICE.

    Myself the E tron fits what i do perfectly the only thing that has me worried about the car is the dreaded coolant leak that kills the motors, As its an expensive fix had the car serviced by Audi and they said the coolant leaking issue is from cars not getting serviced so fingers crossed.



  • #531
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122528816#Comment_122528816

    It’s a known and expensive fix on the eTron alright. Is there anyway to get it checked before warranty expires?



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  • #532
    donkey balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,555 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122528831#Comment_122528831

    I asked when dropping the car into Audi and the girl at the service desk went off and asked the Audi Tech, He said it happens if the car is not serviced. Funnily enough AUDI USA have giving E tron owners a 10 year warranty on motors. Nothing yet from Audi Europe.



  • #533
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122528909#Comment_122528909

    Seen that. I would think it was more to do with consumer confidence in the US instead. I can’t see the Audi EU fat cats adding it here. Unless they take a leaf out of Toyotas books and offer it with a mandatory yearly service.



  • #534
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122528909#Comment_122528909

    Did they explain what is involved in a service to prevent such a leak occurring or was it just a method of fobbing you off ? Is this issue widespread as in e-Tron GT’s and Taycans also ?



  • #535
    Oscar_Madison
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122527567#Comment_122527567

    I get that right now, EVs are not for everyone- I keep my cars a long time - 2 car household both ICE- one of the cars was replaced just 2.5 years ago -very happy with it but, if I was spending the same money today to replace one, I’d be going for the VW ID4 too.

    Could I trade in that ICE for an ID4 today? Sure but I’d need to extend the loan - I’d prefer to pay it off in next 2 years then replace the other ICE which is ancient with an EV - reduced commuting milage due to WFH is the key reason I don’t own an EV - I know plenty of people WFH and they’re in similar positions- people who in the past upgraded their cars every 3 years or so have just hung on to their ICE- there’s definitely a significant % of population in similar position



  • #536
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭kyote00


    This lad getting out of EV also.

    Tesla model S

    https://www.donedeal.ie/view/37709542



  • #537
    dodzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,153 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122530350#Comment_122530350

    "Currently not driving limp mode trigered by inverter. Easy fix for ev mechanic or for someone who has a parts" .

    Ay yes, that ole chestnut!



  • #538
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭kyote00


    indeed. Inverter issues and inverter cooling pump issues seem to be more of an issue that the battery itself as (hybrid) car ages

    I presume EVs have some cooling circuit for invertors also ?



  • #539
    donkey balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,555 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122530308#Comment_122530308

    I reckon they are aware of the issue with the coolant leak and just fobbed me off, Never mentioned whats involved in preventing the coolant leak,To me it has to be a design flaw.



  • #540
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122531458#Comment_122531458

    Some details here on a Teslabjorn video, eTron motor failure due to coolant leaking is at 16:30. Hard to consider that servicing regularly would help prevent this ? Might be worth seeking out a warranty that would cover this if you can get one.

    https://youtu.be/cxRaOBJOl78?si=8ppeu9mCS9MkYkD5



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