Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499672#Comment_122499672

Beat me by a minute, this is how I expect Trump to feel in September. I obviously thought of it first, it was me I thought it the biggest, I posted before you. In fact, I am the postiest poster. I am the poster who said it first, ask anyone, they'll tell you, I posted before anyone else. Not like Lyin' Loafing Oaf. I don't like that Lyin' Loafing. It's really sad, it's very sad.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500224#Comment_122500224

They could have come out and said nobody involved in the drafting or endorsing of Project 2025 will have any role in the campaign or prospective administration… instead it is just more weasel words.

And sure you couldn't trust them to go back on that. The risk is too great.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500313#Comment_122500313

All the purveyors of it will do if Trump won the election is rename it "Trump '25" and Trump will push it forward like it's the greatest thing to have ever existed.

Shoog

Project 2025 is obviously sinking their campaign, so it's time to double down and make them squeal even louder.

Water John

Lets deal the race card:

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499430#Comment_122499430

People do not stay in cities long term for many reasons - cost is only one of many. It also isnt a blue state phenomenon, it is the case for the majority, if not all, western countries.

Your anecdotes are great, one of my own is that it costs me $2.90 in NYC to commute one way to work each way - I would suspect the expense for those commuting in WV is far, far higher given their lack of public transport and reliance on cars. Everywhere has different costs - pros and cons.

The difference when it comes to poverty is that in blue states there are far more and stronger safety nets for those who find themselves in poverty, to help them immediately and to assist them to get out of poverty.

The majority of the red states do not provide similar levels of support, at times even refusing additional federal assistance that would cost them nothing.

The support residence in red states tends to be significantly funded by blue states. Red states for the most part are the welfare queens they consistently complain about. How they are ever seen as more fiscally responsible is madness.

Dickie10

surely its a bit over the top how much damage trump can do if elected? the sky didnt fall in the last time did it? harris surely cant win it after being non existant te last few years as vice president. would it not be a massive election shock?

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500384#Comment_122500384

It's on the nose and maximum fear, but it would also tie into what people have been saying Trump ought to be doing if he wants to stay competitive in the race which is to hammer the message about the border and the economy. The above would probably work for him if he posted it on Musk's Twitter. Trump being Trump, he just cannot do that, choosing instead to bitch and moan about stuff that is at best tangential to his campaign. People like Stephen Miller must privately be tearing out the little bit of hair which remains.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

Last time round there were still people like Pence who stood by the Constitution and their proper role. Note how few of Trumps former senior officials want anything to do with him. Pence signed off the legit election results despite threats from Trump and his mob.

Last time round Trump wasnt going about claiming presidential immunity for rape and trying to steal an election.

Next time round Trump will have stooges yesmen and placemen for the MAGA agenda. No more people like Pence. He will weapinise the IRS and Justice dept without regard for evidence or due process.

Surely a not unpopular Democrat like Harris can win against Trump? A Trump who offers nothing except unhinged rants and hate?

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

surely its a bit over the top how much damage trump can do if elected? the sky didnt fall in the last time did it?

There's a reasonable argument there

harris surely cant win it…would it not be a massive election shock?

There, not so much…

Dickie10

would harris be any use as a president bar ticking the obvious boxs for the left?

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

He can always build on these:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500586#Comment_122500586

That's a tired talking point that Harris is the 'left' candidate. I'd say she has elements to appeal to the left, centre and right who are tired of Trump. Those three groups could be grouped as 'left' the MAGA definition, but I don't take the MAGA definition seriously.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

In 2016 he was surprised, disorganised, had an internal damage limitation team working against his worst impulses, floundered around, especially with Covid, vaguely tried to enact policy, even the insurrection was a bumbling ad-hoc mess.

This time is different, he won't make those same mistakes again, on the contrary he is entirely focused on using office for revenge and retribution. Believes he has full immunity from the courts. Anything is on the table.

Harris is currently ahead according to the aggregate of polls and bookies, but the battleground states are what counts and of course anything could happen in the next 3 months

Overheal

your move, JD

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/im-damn-proud-of-my-service-tim-walz-defends-military-record-and-thanks-jd-vance-for-his-service/

advisemerite

Tim Walz is facing fresh criticism for praising Asad Zaman back in 2018 after Zaman celebrated a terrorist attack. This won't sit well with Americans. Harris has come out and said that is the only time Walz has been seen in Public with Asad Zaman. Despite Walz appearing in Public at least twice with Azad Zaman.

Apparently, K. Harris has a nearly 3 point lead on Trump, which I wouldn't believe for a second. The article also states that seven battle ground states are more volatile for Harris. That is where I believe the Election will be lost for her. Don't believe the polls they had Hillary winning back in 2016 and we all know how that went for the former first lady.

advisemerite

Edited for not quoting.

advisemerite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489943#Comment_122489943

Thats what the polls want you to believe.

advisemerite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489936#Comment_122489936

Wait until Harris has a sit down interview or a debate. Although the debate has been agreed to. She is very reluctant as of August 12 to do a sit down interview. Tim Walz is like a gift to the Trump campaign. He will help Kamala lose her Presidential bid.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500586#Comment_122500586

like the boxes “competent” and “sane”?

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500755#Comment_122500755

Is that worse or better than Trump siding with Putin over the US security services?

Is it better or worse than Trump saying he intends to turn the US into a dictatorship?

He said himself that VP are irrelevant, so not sure why you think Walz is a problem

I wouldn't 'believe' the polls are either as they are 1) a sample, 2)a point in time, and 3) have a margin of error.

But what is clear is the momentum. The polls, all the polls, are moving in Harris direction.

Based on the current trend and situation Harris will win this election. Trump has a few cards to play, most involve him stopping being himself and letting the grown ups make the decisions, but almost every card comes with massive risks.

He can try to talk policy, but as POTUS he failed to deliver anything other than a massive tax cut for the rich.

He can't talk about jobs as he just congratulationed Musk on axing people just for wanting to strike.

He can try to talk tough guy US protector, but his arse licking of Putin is a major issue. He failed badly with the Covid crisis which doesn't bode well for any future crisis.

In almost every area that Trump can look to attack his own performance paints a really poor picture of him. That's why the attack line on Bidens age worked so well. It didn't require any thought from his side and he couldn't ever lose.

That is all changed now. Hence the flailing around and hiding in Mar-a-lago.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499649#Comment_122499649

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is considered to be a mental illness - and the hardest one to treat because of the levels of denial.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500761#Comment_122500761

The desperation is real.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500755#Comment_122500755

Trump celebrated that he'd the tallest building in Manhatten when the twin towers fell on 9/11, how does that sit with you?

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

if Biden stayed in the race the Demos would be handing the presidency to Trump. I do not think that I have to explain why. Now if KH wins the position it will not be because of her capabilities, etc, etc, IT WILL be because of Trumps behaviour/carryon /etc/etc. in other words he will be handing it to her on a plate. IMO , dhe say to do little or nothing to win it while avoiding any ‘banana slips’

lee_baby_simms

While I think Trump has every chance of winning I think there are a few important caveats when looking to back to 2016 for guidance.

Hillary never had the kind of crowds and support that Harris has now (maybe I’m wrong) and the latter has none of the political baggage that Hilary was weighed down with.

More importantly there’s definitely a kind of fatigue now both with Trump due to his age and with the public. He’s older and slower and the public are just more weary of the same old lines. There was a subversive element to Trump in 2016. Many saw him as a maverick, an outsider in 2016. 8 years later the party has become defined by him.

He could very likely win in November but not for all the reasons he did in 2016.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500755#Comment_122500755

Who is K. Harris?

Bizarre.

Why cant you bring yourself to use the actual name?

You dont use T. Walz or D. Trump.

Whst conspiracy theory dog whistle is this?

This is the best dirt you have to sling?

There is no substance to any of this

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/13/politics/asad-zaman-tim-walz-hamas/index.html

You want to start doing a list of all the things Trump and Vance have done that wont sit well with Americans?

Field east

Yes, he ‘————won’t make those same mistakes again’. But he will make DIFFERENT MISTAKES!,!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500659#Comment_122500659

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500384#Comment_122500384

Thats from an official Trump campaign account.

Blatant racism.

How will the "centrists" and independent voters for Trump try to defend Trump on this one?

sydthebeat

Betting odds shortened again

Harris 8/11

Trump evens

lee_baby_simms

Can Trump swap out JD Vance at any time? I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens if he continues to lose ground.

The DNC next week is only going to unsettle him even more.

Water John

Can swap out JD Vance anytime, yes, but then Trump would have to admit he made a mistake. Vance suddenly gets ill?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500992#Comment_122500992

I think he missed the window. He's already officially on ballot that went to print iirc

Flaneur OBrien

I me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500992#Comment_122500992

I mean, I'm sure he could be "swapped out" permanently, in the Martin Scorsese sense of the word.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500992#Comment_122500992

Trump can probably do anything he wants as far as his "base" are concerned , but now that they've been through the GOP convention and he has officially been nominated it's much more difficult.

Biden dropping out was very different in that he hadn't been officially confirmed - That doesn't even happen for Harris until this week-end.

If Trump wanted Vance gone , he would just get Vance to fall on his sword and invent some reason that gives them air-cover from potential legal issues.

But , Trump does not and cannot admit a mistake and ditching Vance would be an admission that he royally screwed up picking him and that his campaign is in trouble, so he will just keep on going , keep on whining about how everyone else is to blame for everything and Vance will get hung out to dry by him if they lose.

"It's all JDs fault" , "I would have won if it wasn't for…….." etc. etc. ad infinitum.

One thing is for absolute certain if Trump loses in November, Vances political career is finished. He'll get primaried next time out and lose , if he doesn't simply step down and run away long before then.

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

He didn't have a stacked supreme court before, he hadn't purged the GOP or and sane (if politically disagreeable) members.

He has consolidated power in that party and has the Court in his pocket

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500992#Comment_122500992

I think especially once the DNC happens, it becomes too late. Trump would have to get permission from the GOP delegates to both change the VP and then get them also to vote on the replacement VP. That would be a gargantuan task. Once the DNC happens, States will be starting to finalise all the ballots etc too.

I'm also pretty sure Vance would probably refuse to step down willingly. It'd be a much easier sell to delegates and States if Vance stepped down citing personal reasons etc, but if he's just being forced out by Trump he could make it a lot harder for them.

Trump will likely continue to just play up that the VP is unimportant (well, his VP is, but Kamala when she was VP and Walz if he becomes VP are absolutely responsible for everything bad that has ever happened, real or imaginary), and so Vance will become the scapegoat and target for all the "weird" side of things and maybe even of Project 2025 given how he wrote the foreword for the book written by the architect of it.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501024#Comment_122501024

In Trumpland, Kamala's VP matters very much because to hear him tell it, Kamala is a 'DEI hire' and, as such, isn't capable of running anything, so it would really be Walz calling the shots. And as he would be a radical left, Fascist, Communist, this would be bad news for America...

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500586#Comment_122500586

Not being a narcissistic loon in thrall to the multi-billionaire class and right wing nut jobs overtly trying to overturn democracy

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500755#Comment_122500755

Thats far worse that being an actual rapist and convicted felon who wants to f*ck his own daughter. Weird

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500954#Comment_122500954

He needs to dump all the stuff he’s done previously- it’s old and tired and dated and it’s making him look even more stupid than he usually appears.

He’s still a force to be reckoned with but his racial attack on Harris hasn’t landed particularly well - he just doesn’t know how to approach her so he’s going to his usual name calling gimmic.
It’s clear he’s struggling but if he refocuses on the economy and the border and just keep it simple, he’ll gain ground there as they are weak areas for Harris

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500945#Comment_122500945

All boils down to a Nikki Haley quote from February: the first party to dump their old man will win.

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

How much damage can he do next time around? Did you see what he did as outgoing president on 6th January 2021?

paddyisreal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501265#Comment_122501265

A lot less damage than the democrats anyway. its actually hilarous when fingers are pointed at trump and the **** show biden/harris have made of the middle east is miles worse than anything trump did

U.S. approves $20 billion in weapons sales to Israel (axios.com)

Shoog

Lets not forget Trumps long history of Nazi gaffs.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/615880/donald-trump-hitler-nazi-references/

Remember folks, if he's signalling something he really means it. MAGA is the American version of the National Socialist Party, something's that's been on the cards for a long time.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501329#Comment_122501329

It's actually hilarious when people pretend like Trump isn't in Netanyahu's pocket, was giving them carte blanche publicly to "get things done" and how about that move of the embassy to Jerusalem?

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501329#Comment_122501329

You're going to ignore that he incited a riot and tried to stop the democratic transfer of power to the new president? That he calls the people arrested and jailed 'hostages'. You think he won't try the same if he wins again? Okay.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501329#Comment_122501329

U.S. approves $20 billion in weapons sales to Israel (axios.com)

Well if The Donald gets back him we can all be confident Israel will be kept on a much tighter leash

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/05/09/trump-attacks-biden-for-threatening-to-withhold-weapons-from-israel/

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501391#Comment_122501391

I've said this before , but trying to use US policy regarding Israel against Biden/Harris is just stupid.

Yes - US policy on Israel is terrible and always has been , but trying to suggest that the current administration are doing ANYTHING different than any other admin would do is delusional.

Deciding that you aren't going to vote for the Democrats because of Israel is frankly silly - The GOP and Trump specifically would do much much worse.

For example Trump fully supports the annexation of the West Bank and giving Israel full control there - That won't happen peacefully or quietly.

US Israeli policy is awful , but it isn't something that will be influenced by not voting for the Democrats or worse , voting for Trump.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122501441#Comment_122501441

Absolutely - the one thing that can be guaranteed in this election, no matter who wins, what party they're from, how crazy or how senile they are, what they said in the past, what they have for breakfast, how big their crowds or rallies are, is a pro-Isreal stance.

Complete non-starter as an issue.