Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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https://open.spotify.com/episode/6pt0FThYKaGYeaFRv2zeJ8?si=0lHs0IIyQlGFQ-rTV9X2pQ

Saramucci reckons Trump could drop out if he thinks he's going to lose. It's certainly trending that way. Picking Vance and and attacking Harris have been really dumb moves.

Losing again him the worst president/presidential candidate in terms of losing elections in Republican history. Losing leaves him at risk of jail to.

Given how crazy the race has been to date, I wouldn't rule it out

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461822#Comment_122461822

Don't forget man who shoots nukes at clouds

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-asked-about-nuking-hurricanes-to-protect-us-report-11794537

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461802#Comment_122461802

no CEO / president / presidential canditate / etc has to have a ‘ handle’ on all subjects . The ‘trick’ is that they are smart enough to hire individuals with the required knowledge/ expertise and that they do not hold onto their ego - if they have one- while making serious decisions , etc. Also people in new jobs take time to ‘ READ’ themselves into it.

I sincerely hope - if she gets elected- that she listens to the Chief Medical Officer - by way of example- when it comes to expounding on medical advice to the nation and not do a runner on what’s good and not good for you.
RE!EMBER THE BLEACH EPISODE. REMEMBER THE ADVICE ON MASKS. Do I need to go on?

briany

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While I enjoy Scaramucci's takes and insights, I just cannot see any path to Trump leaving the race. His ego simply won't let him do so. The biggest possible tweak that I think he'll make to his campaign is to drop Vance as well as some campaign staff, but Trump feels no sense of duty to his party because he considers his party a host to parasitically exploit for his own benefit. He's not going to selflessly do anything which might benefit it.

If the argument is that Trump would leave the race in order to make way for a more electable candidate who would then pardon him as a quid pro quo or cancel the prosecutions altogether, again I don't think this would come to pass because Trump's pig-headed combative nature wouldn't allow him to accept that he did anything wrong. When people come after him, he wants to go after them.

Besides all of that, the party has already had its convention and early voting ballots aren't that far from being printed in some states. Unless Trump's numbers spectacularly nosedive in the next 2 or 3 weeks to the point where it looks like there is absolutely no path to victory, then there just isn't going to be time to make this decision. It remains the case that Trump and Harris are neck and neck, with Trump arguably having a very small lead. Although the situation has deteriorated for Trump, it's not at a point of panic.

McFly85

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I have long thought that if Trump had a way to have all of his major legal troubles disappear in exchange for dropping out, then he would jump at the chance. Anything at this stage that allows him to play golf every day and keeps him out of prison.

Think it’s unrealistic to expect it to be offered, though. Apart from the minefield of federal interference in state cases, it’s a terrible look for the justice system, and offering it would make the democrats look desperate.

I do agree with his opinion on Vance, though. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s working on getting him replaced after the Democratic convention - replacing him with Haley would be the obvious choice - and while replacing his VP pick makes him look weak and indecisive the benefits of bringing in votes would outweigh it imo.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462345#Comment_122462345

I think picking Haley as VP would do very little for Trumps campaign. Haley voters are backing Harris despite her telling them not to - why ? Because at there core they are never Trumpers and would not go back to a Trump ticket even with Haley . They are lost to the Republicans for this election cycle so choosing her would be another wasted opportunity.

briany

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I don't think that Trump can stand Haley and I also don't think he wants anyone on the ticket who would possibly overshadow him.

Trump's own words on this were very telling - he said in a recent interview that the VP didn't matter. Doesn't sound like a man who would then agree that the VP needs to be switched out in order to save his campaign.

Trump most likely isn't thinking, 'what if my polling continues to slide?' because I don't think his ego would allow it, and Trump is still ahead in the polls. In fact, to go back a bit on my previous post, he's still got a decent lead in Georgia and Pennsylvania. Even if his numbers continue to slide, it might not get to the point of red alert, pull the ripcord, until the opportunity has passed to add anyone new to the ticket.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461857#Comment_122461857

If he tries to stop a hurricane with a nuclear weapon he only hurts himself?

Jesus, now who's dangerously stupid?

McFly85

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While they may lose some of Haleys votes(I do think a significant numbrt of Haley supporters would vote Trump if she was VP though, given his age and the possibility of her having the chance to become president during his term), I think a ticket with Haley looks far more appealing to moderate voters, and republican women voters in general.

I don’t think he’d actually do it though. It goes against his campaign anti-progressive ideals and he wouldn’t want to give her any credit on the ticket, it has to be all about him.

Vance could be replaced as he’s showing to be incredibly unpopular, and while Trump could make a big difference in his campaign by doing it, he’d likely shoot himself in the foot by picking another substandard guy just so they don’t outshine him, which is hilariously pathetic.

Maxface

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460172#Comment_122460172

Think everyone seemed to miss it, and it says exactly what he is as a person and his relationship to taxes and income, after the waitress came up and said Sir, yada yada, and Trump says but if it is in cash, how would they see it? What he is talking about there so openly on a stage, is the past President talking about Tax Fraud, on a stage and on TV, and nobody picking it up at all. The timeline is odd.

EltonJohn69

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Al Franken said on his podcast released this morning that Tim Walz will be Kamala’s VP nominee. Both men are from Minnesota.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462548#Comment_122462548

Minnesota = 10 electoral votes. Mark Kelly would still be a better choice IMO.

eightieschewbaccy

I'm thinking it's more likely to be Shapiro atm. Kelly seems to be a senate seat that they don't want to replace.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462560#Comment_122462560

The Harris campaign has to think about how much money pro-Israel donors bring to the campaign and what promises have been made to those donors. That's the nasty business of politics. If much money has been given and many promises made, and if the fairly pro-Israel Shapiro is in any way a net positive to the ticket, then the likelihood is fairly high that he gets the nod.

I think that Kelly and Walz have a better general appeal than Shapiro would, possibly ticking up the polling across several states, as opposed to just Pennsylvania, as Shapiro might promise to do, and there's also this business of how Shapiro handled a sexual harassment complaint, which would be ammo for the Trump campaign to use.

I imagine that discussions about all this have been fairly animated among Harris's staff.

Having said all of that, I don't think there is a mainstream VP pick which could hurt Harris's campaign as much as the boy has hurt Trump's.

Igotadose

Jimmy Carter, 100 years old!, currently in hospice, hopes to make it to November 5th to vote for Harris.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/03/jimmy-carter-kamala-harris-vote-100/74657161007/

EltonJohn69

Shapiro will be 24/7 right wing conspiracy talk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462644#Comment_122462644

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462713#Comment_122462713

Shapiro could lose a lot of Muslim voters and young voters over his defence of Israel.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462770#Comment_122462770

Thats my concern. With people below 30 Israel and anyone pro Israel is very much persona non grata.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462560#Comment_122462560

I think picking Walz would undo the clear daylight about the age of the candidates.

My pick would be mark Kelly.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462644#Comment_122462644

Hadley Freeman questions this characterisation of Shapiro as exceptionally hawkish on Israel

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/mention-jewish-vp-left-right-unite-kamala-harris-5wvhgk6jd

Other potential VP picks were also critical of the student protests and have been, in fact, far more supportive of Netanyahu than Shapiro, such as the Arizona senator Mark Kelly…Yet there’s something about the kosher-keeping, occasional yarmulke-wearing Shapiro that makes the Democratic Socialists style him as a genocidal Israeli hawk. I just can’t put my finger on what that might be.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462800#Comment_122462800

Although Tim Walz looks like Bernie Sanders' slightly younger brother, he is, in fact, two months younger than Kelly. In my opinion, both would be equally strong picks.

Penn

On the other hand though, having Shapiro as the VP nominee could allow Harris herself to be more critical and outspoken of the actions of Israel, and she already seems to be more critical of them than both Biden and Trump.

Even with Shapiro, all they have to do is point out how Trump who isn't even in a political position, hosted "Bibi" Netanyahu, as well as the other stuff Trump has said about how Israel just needs to finish it because the war is bad PR.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462807#Comment_122462807

I wouldn't have said 'exceptionally hawkish on Israel', but that he was fairly pro-Israel - at least enough so to condemn the protests and so on.

Whether anyone likes it or not, Shapiro's Jewishness will also be a factor that Harris's team has to consider. Mainly in the sense of how much identity is too much identity for a ticket, and whether the fact that America has never had a Jewish president or VP is down to coincidence or a prejudice that exists in the dark corners of middle American voters' minds, and difficult to quantify if it's barely even spoken aloud.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462807#Comment_122462807

Not paywalled: (https://archive.ph/cqfqv)

Nice punchline:

"Whether it’s the right dumping on Emhoff for not defending Netanyahu or the right trashing Shapiro for not criticising him enough, the thinking is the same: Jewish-Americans are not real Americans, because they’re Jewish. Their loyalty will (according to the left) or should (according to the right) always be to another country. Harris pitches herself as the unifying candidate, and so far her candidacy has proven one thing for sure: when it comes to pushing old antisemitic tropes, the far left and far right are certainly united."

Pretty much captures the Hamas/Israel thread here, too.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462852#Comment_122462852

I can't believe that any more than a tiny proprtion of centre ground voters would genuinely be swayed by Shapiro's Jewishness though. If Team Harris are convinced he can make the difference in Pennsylvania, I think that's got to outweight those concerns…

Water John

Shur, since the VP pick doesn't matter, Trump won't bother attacking Kamala's pick😁

Larbre34

Shapiro V Vance would be hilarious.

Vance isn't fit to lace Shapiro's boots when it comes to experience and policy leadership.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462852#Comment_122462852

Remember the American Christians don't actually like Jews despite all their special pleading for Israel. Their motive are entirely ulterior.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462933#Comment_122462933

Yeah, Shapiro's main focus would be Pennsylvania and winning that.

I really feel sorry for Kelly. He's probably too good as a senator, and they could lose his senate seat (and potentially the senate) if he becomes VP nominee.

The more I've looked into him, the more I can see him doing his own run for President. Time is not on his side though. He's 60 now, assuming Kamala wins, she'll be the nominee in '28 (presumably with her sitting VP) so he'd be 68 in '32 before the path clears for his own run...