Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

RickBlaine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498781#Comment_122498781

I'm aware of how left leaning MSNBC is but I typically watch it only for Lawrence O'Donnell and Jen Psaki because I agree with their messaging. I accept the argument that they can appear smug but they are effective communicators of their messages, especially O'Donnell. Reading the comments on his Youtube videos, it appears that a lot of American viewers only watch MSNBC for him. For example, this is a very impressive monologue about how the media is letting Trump off easy, and he doesn't hold back on MSNBC either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD-oTJ49nls

On the opposite side of the scale would be Joy Reid. She is OK occasionally but sometimes goes totally off the rails. I remember during a live panel discussion, Jen Psaki eye rolled at something Reid said. Can't remember exactly what they were discussing but I saw that clip on Twitter.

I watch CNN for a more balanced opinion.

I know some left leaning people also watch Fox to get the right's viewpoint but my BS tolerance isn't high enough I'm afraid.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498781#Comment_122498781

this is CNN:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-like-what-cnn-anchor-stunned-by-trump-saying-kamala-harris-looks-like-melania/

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498834#Comment_122498834

That burdened metric is pretty poor one to try to use in this discussion.

You could be on $10k net a month in NYC with their average mortgage payment there of $3k and be on that graphic while in West Virginia earn $4.2k net and not be on it with that states average mortgage payment of $1.2k.

The person in NYC would have $4k greater disposable income after they pay their mortgage - which is nearly as much as the West Virginian takes home originally net.

The previous table you shared of the % of home ownership by state is similarly flawed. The bottom 7 each have very large cities that take a significant proportion of total population of the state, where many do not stay in the city or state long term and prefer to rent. The difference outside of the top 8 and the bottom 8 is 10%, which is pretty insignificant when you look at all the other metrics where the red states are absolutely failing.

Brian?

The lies are terrible. Why make them so stupid??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/13/trio-silly-false-claims-that-jd-vance-makes-about-kamala-harris/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3eb254f%2F66bb83d8c72197792afe222c%2F5ed8cadeae7e8a4360963d1a%2F10%2F57%2F66bb83d8c72197792afe222c

LambshankRedemption

Watching this now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmW4mj03RU

Trump: "It will be the interview of the century" according to his tweet yesterday.

What I saw was less coherent than Beaker from the Muppets interviewing Shane McGowan.

Quin_Dub

Irony is officially dead..

Tim Walz’ ugly attacks on his political rivals may excite his perpetually angry base but are a turn-off for many

Hard to know where to even start trying to understand that…

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499332#Comment_122499332

I suspect there's some circular logic there. If it was a great, affordable place with good services, why wouldn't anyone choose to stay in a city or state long term? The problem is it's stupidly expensive, and they can't afford it. On the plus side, San Francisco's school district doesn't have to cost the taxpayer much, there are fewer children as fewer who want a family can live there. (49,000 in the city's school district, pop 808k. For comparison, my current school district is 60,000 students, 428k population). If they had similar home ownership rates, the 'burdened by housing costs' rate would be far more horrible than they already are.

You'll find that the 'net excess' isn't all that great either. I didn't get my car repaired in California, I waited until Texas where it was more affordable, even after the cost of putting it on a truck. A friend of mine still in San Jose just posted on FB his electricity bill in shock, I'm paying a third per KwH (and my solar installation was cheaper, too). Compare a California gas station price with a Texas one. I pay $60 for my car registration (actually, my first is free), California wanted $450 for the same car. Even repairing a wooden fence is costing thrice per foot between my TX and CA houses. That net excess after housing disappears pretty damned quickly in high-cost-of-housing states: The other employees need to be able to afford rent as well!

Still, I am quite happy to stipulate that many more New Yorkers or Californians have multi-thousand-dollar excesses than West virginians or Alabamans as a percentage, but what started this line of discussion was a post at the other end of the scale, that of poverty. As a chart, it proves even less, because in order to not be in financial trouble in many of those States, one needs less, and it's a much more critical division. It's nicer to have more money than you need to live, but if you have less than you need to live, the result is critical.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499430#Comment_122499430

Just don't be a female needing health care in Texas, especially prenatal care. Cost of living doesn't matter if you're dead.

Tell me how

I woke up this morning to see text of Trumps interview with Musk. I immediately thought it was a meme, thinking there's no way he'd actually say that. Then, around lunch time someone sent me a clip of it, I still thought it was a meme but that someone had run it through some Godforesaken AI nonsense.

Then, I saw the BBC quoting it!

Anyone who looks at this guy and thinks that he is the best option for President needs to have a massive look at themselves. Like this is SNL Level 2 (on a scale of 1-10 for sharp comedy).

I say this with 1000% conviction, future generations will play that clip of Trump and Musk and laugh at the foolishness of 21st century society in the same way we think about Caligula supposedly appointing his horse as senator. Like WTF with capitals W T F.

Oh, and just now I read that the UAW have launched suits against both Trump and Musk because Trump praised him on the interview for having fired striking workers.

Charles Bukowski's quote, 'The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence' was made for fools like these two.

Musk has shown himself to be suffering from a mental illness (at least one) so we shouldn't be paying attention to a single word that passes his lips.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499606#Comment_122499606

We shouldn't but we have to. He bought one of the worlds leading communication platforms and is allowing it (forcing it) to be used for the spread of hateful and harmful messaging.

Remember how aggrieved Conservatives get with the concept of indoctrination and 'celebrity influencers, and yet they absolutely lap up this guys every word and he is genuinely harmful.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499606#Comment_122499606

Didn't realise being a gobshite was a mental illness now

I don't believe this constant narrative about him having mental issues or that his drug use explains his behaviour. Frankly it's almost an insult to people with genuine mental health or substance abuse problems to compare them to Elon

He's a gobshite through and through, he's been that way all his life. Anyone who has worked with him constantly says he's a narcissistic prick.

He's always held extreme views about things like corporate oversight or hate speech laws. He just kept them under the lid in the past, partly because he had people around him who were capable of critical thinking and would openly disagree with him

Now he's convinced himself he's the smartest guy ever and he's surrounded by sycophants who tell him he's the greatest human being of all time. He's also got the ultimate chest codes for accountability which are money and influence, so he's free to spew whatever garbage comes into his head to an audience of millions

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499592#Comment_122499592

It's like they were enacting one of the great works of Western art

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499592#Comment_122499592

I was watching a video about Waynes World earlier, which changes this from frightening to out right hilarious in regards how I imagine the conversation went. Wayne "Oldie in the bunker" Campbell and Garth "The toad" Algar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499649#Comment_122499649

He is a manic depressive who self medicated for his condition, a severely dibilitation mental illness. He is not a fit person to be in charge of a multi billion pound industry.

RickBlaine

UK journalist Ian Dunt posted this on X last week which sums up Musk:

"Elon Musk: No-one has ever spent so much money making sure everyone knows they're a total c**t."

I love that this was posted on Musk's own platform.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499680#Comment_122499680

Presumably he hasn't been formally diagnosed? Even though he controls most of his companies, I assume he'd get the boot if it was ever shown

I'm sure he thinks he's a manic depressive, and certainly he could be based on some of his actions

But, he's still a gobshite. If you cured the depression then he'd be a mentally balanced gobshite instead

I guess what I'm saying is that his issues, real or imagined, don't explain his behaviour. I believe he's lucid enough to know and understand the consequences of his actions and still believes it's a good idea

I do agree he isn't fit to run his various companies anymore. Partly I think he sees himself losing relevance and his last few stunts are some way to put himself back in the limelight

EDIT: Slight clarification regarding consequences, I suppose I should say Elon thinks he knows what the consequences of his actions are and thinks he's smart enough to have thought of everything

Obviously reality has on occasion played out slightly differently to what he likely intended.

One recent example I can think of was him tweeting about how great carbon taxes are to his new right wing buddies

I assume in his mind they would accept his rational argument and immediately start calling for them to be implemented

Needless to say it didn't quite go that way 😂

Penn

Hot off the heels of Trump's "interview" with Musk where he basically outlined that his aims and goals align pretty perfectly with Project 2025.... STOP SAYING I HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROJECT 2025 OR IT WILL NOT END WELL FOR YOU!!!

https://twitter.com/alexaronson/status/1818377674923839967?s=19

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499672#Comment_122499672

Beat me by a minute, this is how I expect Trump to feel in September. I obviously thought of it first, it was me I thought it the biggest, I posted before you. In fact, I am the postiest poster. I am the poster who said it first, ask anyone, they'll tell you, I posted before anyone else. Not like Lyin' Loafing Oaf. I don't like that Lyin' Loafing. It's really sad, it's very sad.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500224#Comment_122500224

They could have come out and said nobody involved in the drafting or endorsing of Project 2025 will have any role in the campaign or prospective administration… instead it is just more weasel words.

And sure you couldn't trust them to go back on that. The risk is too great.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500313#Comment_122500313

All the purveyors of it will do if Trump won the election is rename it "Trump '25" and Trump will push it forward like it's the greatest thing to have ever existed.

Project 2025 is obviously sinking their campaign, so it's time to double down and make them squeal even louder.

Water John

Lets deal the race card:

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499430#Comment_122499430

People do not stay in cities long term for many reasons - cost is only one of many. It also isnt a blue state phenomenon, it is the case for the majority, if not all, western countries.

Your anecdotes are great, one of my own is that it costs me $2.90 in NYC to commute one way to work each way - I would suspect the expense for those commuting in WV is far, far higher given their lack of public transport and reliance on cars. Everywhere has different costs - pros and cons.

The difference when it comes to poverty is that in blue states there are far more and stronger safety nets for those who find themselves in poverty, to help them immediately and to assist them to get out of poverty.

The majority of the red states do not provide similar levels of support, at times even refusing additional federal assistance that would cost them nothing.

The support residence in red states tends to be significantly funded by blue states. Red states for the most part are the welfare queens they consistently complain about. How they are ever seen as more fiscally responsible is madness.

Dickie10

surely its a bit over the top how much damage trump can do if elected? the sky didnt fall in the last time did it? harris surely cant win it after being non existant te last few years as vice president. would it not be a massive election shock?

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500384#Comment_122500384

It's on the nose and maximum fear, but it would also tie into what people have been saying Trump ought to be doing if he wants to stay competitive in the race which is to hammer the message about the border and the economy. The above would probably work for him if he posted it on Musk's Twitter. Trump being Trump, he just cannot do that, choosing instead to bitch and moan about stuff that is at best tangential to his campaign. People like Stephen Miller must privately be tearing out the little bit of hair which remains.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

Last time round there were still people like Pence who stood by the Constitution and their proper role. Note how few of Trumps former senior officials want anything to do with him. Pence signed off the legit election results despite threats from Trump and his mob.

Last time round Trump wasnt going about claiming presidential immunity for rape and trying to steal an election.

Next time round Trump will have stooges yesmen and placemen for the MAGA agenda. No more people like Pence. He will weapinise the IRS and Justice dept without regard for evidence or due process.

Surely a not unpopular Democrat like Harris can win against Trump? A Trump who offers nothing except unhinged rants and hate?

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

surely its a bit over the top how much damage trump can do if elected? the sky didnt fall in the last time did it?

There's a reasonable argument there

harris surely cant win it…would it not be a massive election shock?

There, not so much…

Dickie10

would harris be any use as a president bar ticking the obvious boxs for the left?

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500419#Comment_122500419

He can always build on these:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power