Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523782#Comment_122523782

In that scenario, US ceases to exist

For Forks Sake

Every time I come back to this thread there's pages after pages of nonsense from accounts mostly on my Ignore list, are they getting a bonus for making additional nonsense claims and posts this week?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523767#Comment_122523767

Technically speaking for it to be socialism the means of production have to be in public ownership

So for example taxes going to a state run agency which provides social welfare could be considered socialism

Paying tax money to a private company owned by the governors friend's nephew to administer social welfare to "save money" while somehow costing more than a government run agency is not socialism

This is how small government ends up working in reality. It's political suicide to end social services, but conservatives love slashing the number of government employees. So the end result is that it gets contracted out to a bunch of private enterprises who start treating their government contracts as a money printer. In the end it would have been cheaper to just use government employees

If you look at Medicaid as an example, it isn't true public healthcare in the same sense as the HSE or NHS. Instead the US government pays private healthcare providers

Rawr

So Harris is now….stupid?

Do we really want to go down the Intelligence route MAGA folks? One canditate went to College and had to pass an extremely difficult Bar exam. (On the second attempt no less, with a fail rate well above 1/2 the potential canditates)

While the other canditate (Donnie "the Stable Genius" Trump) has had all of his school results hidden.

Doesn't compare very well when Mr. "Let's Nuke a Hurricane" doesn't want you to know his test scores…does it?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523800#Comment_122523800

I don't disagree - The utter Chaos that would descend would be cataclysmic

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523797#Comment_122523797

Seriously? "you all knew?" Scutter.

As for who is dim, well…. got that mirror?

Oh, I think Donald's in the throes of narcissistic personality disorder, but 'mad as a box of frogs' really isn't the right metaphor.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523455#Comment_122523455

I haven't excused or even discussed any of Trumps (many) issues. It's irrelevant to what I am saying.

The election is in the balance because at the moment because Trump supporters and Trump haters are both equally passionate about their opinion of him.

The reason I say Kamala is a bad candidate, is because it was evident at her previous failed election campaign, her own party didn't think she was the right person. I haven't seen her do anything of any real signifigance to have swayed anyone's opinion since then. But with Biden hanging in there until the bitter end, they pretty much painted themselves into a corner and left themselves with no option but to go with Kamala.

I don't buy into TDS. It's never said it was irrational to have issues with Donald Trump. His past/present behaviours are all there to see. It's all well documented and it's completely understandable to want anyone with him be made president.

If our political system was like America's and it came between having to choose between Simon Harris and Paul Murphy, I would vote for Simon Harris. That is because I oppose Paul Murphy, not because I like Simon Harris. But I don't think I suffer from MDS. I just have to pick who I hate less.

I understand the pageantry behind American politics and the "rah-rah" mentality of backing your less-hated candidate, but I do find it a little "icky" (to use my daughters favourite phrase) for a lot of people (not singling out posters here, but in general) to pretend to have faith in Kamala where they didn't before.

I think that is the difference between the two bases.

The people who love Trump, love Trump. They are confident in his ability and actively WANT him to be their president.

They are the only ones that will vote for him. Trump will not attract "undecided" voters.

If only people who truly loved Kamala and were confident in her ability and actively WANT her to be their president were to turn up, she would lose in a landslide.

She has the advantage that the people who don't love her, hate trump more and will vote to ensure he doesn't get in.

That not derangement, that is chosing the less bad option.

Podge_irl

There appears to be a current trend from some quarters of posting videos of Harris answering questions but comments referencing how stupid she is and now wonder they don't let her talk, and when you listen to the answer it is a perfectly fine one. It is bizarre.

Virgil°

So one candidate thinks that injecting bleach into the veins could be a viable solution for Covid but Kamala Harris is the dim one? Is that where we are?

Christ above. Some people on here really need to touch grass.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523941#Comment_122523941

There's lot of candidates who might fare better in a general election than trying to stand out in the crowd in the hothouse of an internal primary campaign. It really doesn't mean a whole lot.
Candidates have lost primaries and gone on to be serious contenders for the Presidency or actually President.

The history of Democratic Party primaries suggest that in a contested primary, a VP would win out.

Where are these 'good' candidates, could they have made it through the primaries, would they have gone down well with undecideds, what skeletons do they have in the closest that might come out in the national media spotlight… you don't really know.

Having to choose the 'less bad' option is par for the course in politics. When there's a 'buzz' about a candidate it is usually someone coming from the opposition side, after the incumbents have been in situ for long time. And very often there is disillusionment when the hopes people have attached for such a 'buzz' candidate meet messy political reality.
So really not sure why you think this is a point of any real weight.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523941#Comment_122523941

Honestly, I'd say most candidates don't tend to be "loved" by those who go out to vote for them. And I'd say that's a healthy view of any politician. Overall I like her approach to the campaign and think she'd be a strong leader. That seems pretty good to me overall. I don't think there's any politician out there that I "love" though.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524176#Comment_122524176

Thats fair. I only posted my (over)long post in response to someone accusing me of putting Kamala's lead down to TDS, which is a phrase I hate.

You don't need to be popular to become president, you just need to be less hated than your rival.

No syndrome required.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524182#Comment_122524182

So if it's not TDS, then what is the reason for her popularity?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524182#Comment_122524182

I think "loving" a candidate is a uniquely US thing.

I find the whole idea of campaign rallies etc. fundamentally strange - I'm interested in politics and consume lots of information about it , but the idea of going to a rally is just not something I can wrap my head around.

Even the idea of bumper stickers and lawn sign is just weird.

The weight given in the US to how many rallies are held and how many people attend them is odd in the extreme.

Voting is always a choice of the lesser of two evils as it were.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524208#Comment_122524208

My rather lengthy post (#5805) explains it in great detail.

I refuse to accept the term TDS as to vote for someone you dislike less is neither deranged, nor a syndrome.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523560#Comment_122523560

They are obliged to cast their vote for the winner of the states popular vote. They do not have discretion and the whole raft of legal case after the last election showed how little discretion they actually had.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524224#Comment_122524224

Absolutely agree.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122522601#Comment_122522601

Time for what? You have insider knowledge of some miraculous strategy that Trump has? His lead in pretty much all the polls has vanished, no mention of any policy to combat what the Dems have, and his ramblings at his rallies are even getting called out on Fox.

Your confidence is entirely misplaced, it seems.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524227#Comment_122524227

Which is why the initial certification of the vote is the battle-ground now.

Once the result is certified , the pathways for silly-buggers are largely closed off as the post 2020 court cases confirmed.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523958#Comment_122523958

They still believe people buy the deny reality schtik. Well some still do it seems

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122522897#Comment_122522897

”full on socialism?” Climb down from there will you

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523127#Comment_122523127

excuse you but Kamala seasons her food

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524313#Comment_122524313

Did she borrow Hillary's hot sauce after she was finished impressing a certain section of America with her carry-around bottle? 😀

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523797#Comment_122523797

I dont see how someone who's a bit dim can:

• Attend Howard University
• Major in political science and economics
• Pass the bar, becoming an assistant district attorney
• Become the first Black woman in California to be elected district attorney
• Elected California's Attorney General

I know people that are a bit dim. None of them would ever be able to accomplish that.

And it's not like she started with her parents leaving her millions either.

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524363#Comment_122524363

Never feed a troll. The golden rule of Internet forums.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524363#Comment_122524363

Ah but dont forget @erlichbachman came up with USSA all on his own so is clearly operating at a different level to everyone else

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524384#Comment_122524384

It's election season! What else am I gonna do?

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122523797#Comment_122523797

Hey Erlich, don't shoot the messenger here, but shilling for a rapey criminal on an internet forum isn't exactly the smartest thing I've ever heard of either. However, as you know so much about dumb, I'll bow to your considerable experience in that particular field.

RickBlaine

Regarding the "Kamala is stupid" argument, there is only one candidate who said recently that migrants are taking more than 100% of new jobs, and it wasn't her.

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122524405#Comment_122524405

Fair :D Honestly though, people claiming that Harris is "a bit dim" really need to have a look at themselves in the mirror, and definitely don't deserve to be engaged with on here. Its one of the more idiotic things Trump has come out with lately, and that's really saying something.