Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534528#Comment_122534528

Its easy when that's your job.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534700#Comment_122534700

She was pushing conspiracy theories long before Trump descended his gold escalator.

She is one of the reasons he rose to power.

She a Ghoul who can fúck right right off.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534742#Comment_122534742

Still terrifying that 38% of American women will vote for a sexual predator who has a track record of taking away their rights and has links to the Project 2024 crowd who want to take away their right to vote…

2smiggy

I blame who ever decided to go with Sarah Palin as the VP pick for McCain. She showed there was a place for fruit cakes at the top of American politics. Patient zero

wandererz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534063#Comment_122534063

Sorry, I was so engrossed I misjudged the time she came onto the stage.

It was 38-40 mins.

Apparently one of the shortest acceptance speeches.

This election isn't complicated, it boils down to the whiteness of your skin and the maleness of your leader. That's all you need to understand when considering the solidity of the MAGA share of the vote.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534444#Comment_122534444

This was the first news story to really light a fire under mom Belle. She sounded scary pissed

https://youtu.be/LC3CPYpFdtk?si=lgnv2uttu6umsvIT

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534664#Comment_122534664

Yeah, there was serious pressure on her to deliver. Having to follow the Obamas is always going to be a tough gig, but Walz did a great job as well and that meant Harris simply had to deliver.

A weak, pointless, uninspiring speech would have sucked all the momentum out and the cries that she was simply an awful candidate, parachuted into the position due to a coup, would have gained momentum.

She delivered last night. Whether enough to make a difference to the election, only time will tell. But a very good week for Harris

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534704#Comment_122534704

Again, I'm going to try to be impartial. I think it was a big mistake from Trump and his team to push so hard to get rid of Biden. Say what you want but "Sleepy Joe" was an effective dig. Just as effective as "Weird" is now. I think Trump would have romped home against Biden.

I wonder if the debates will even happen now. If I were Trump's team I would tell him not to debate. He's got nothing to win and potentially a lot to lose.

He is not going to lose his die-hards and Harris is not going to lose hers. But he could potentially lose more moderate GOP voters. Even at this stage. Not that they'd vote for Harris. But that they just won't vote at all. And he could CERTAINLY lose undecideds.

I can't understand how there are still undecideds at this stage but there are.

Trump's people will vote for him because they like his rhetoric. But if he comes across as weak in debates, what will that say to the more moderate GOP voters? Probably little. But what will it say to Undecideds? A LOT

Harris doesn't have the air of entitled arrogance that put so many off Hilary Clinton ("Who else are you going to vote for? HIM????!!!").

I'm going to assume she can stay on point and answer debate questions directly and coherently. Sure, there may not be specifics (NO politician ANYWHERE in the world goes into specifics about policies when asked directly). But if she can answer questions as to-the-point as a politician gets and Trump doesn't then that will sway undecideds.

"What is your policy regarding China tarrifs? Miss Harris?"

"Well we are going to propose X. Y. Z"

"Mister Trump. Same question"

"Well I know him. Nice guy. Strong. And the loony left, beautiful wall…."

"Time's Up Mister Trump"

Even if her on-point answer is Bullsh*t, it will look sharper than a rambling, tangential non-answer. If he rambles and starts going on about stolen election or mispronouncing her name then it's going to look like Biden but in reverse for undecideds. It will be nothing they haven't heard over the last 16 years! (Fox still on about Obama's Birth-cert???!!! Really???!!!)

I can see him dropping out of the debates and, for him, it would be the right thing to do.

TLDR: Trump should drop out of the debates as he has nothing to win there and only potential to lose.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534895#Comment_122534895

If it wasn't her, it would have been someone else. She just tapped into an existing undercurrent. If anyone should take the blame, it would be Republican establishment politicians like Newt Gingrich who decided to feed the monster by astroturfing the Tea Party. They really should have known better.

The sad thing is that if you had Sarah Palin in the mix, now, she'd seem normal. It shows how far the party has slid when old Jigsaw, here, is one the names being mooted for Trump's administration. 👇️

RickBlaine

If he pulls out of the debate, Trump would be absolutely lambasted for being too weak to debate Harris regardless of what BS excuse he would come up with. Being perceived as being weak is lethal in a US presidential campaign and Trump knows this. I think he is stuck with debating her now.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535163#Comment_122535163

That's what I think. It would also give Harris a primetime platform to talk to the electorate without being interrupted.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535181#Comment_122535181

Isn't their always chatter before every presidential debate that he would pull out? It hasn't happened yet and it won't happen now for better or worse.

alan partridge aha

Did the beautiful Beyonce turn up last night or Miss Swift?

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535236#Comment_122535236

Or to reference your username, Anthea Turner

RickBlaine

Imagine what 2025 looks like for Trump if he loses. Spending weeks in court while reading headlines about President Harris. It would drive him absolutely insane.

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535102#Comment_122535102

in fairness undecideds and on the fence people precipitated Biden pulling out.
undecideds probably influenced walz inclusion. And undecideds still see that their “undecidedness “ could push more favourable outcomes their way between now and November. Being undecided till the last minute is actually quite a clever voting strategy.

trashcan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535163#Comment_122535163

It’s a win/win for the Dems I think. If he debates I don’t think it will go well for him. If Harris is half competent she should crush him. If he doesn’t debate, the Dems can make hay with that and paint him as a scared little b*tch.

Sleepy

I really hope they go the West Wing route if he tries to back out of the debate and send some staffers dressed in chicken suits to follow him around…

It wouldn't be inconceivable that he'd end up spending a night in a jail cell for assault if they did!

RickBlaine

I'm obviously interested in America but sometimes you are reminded about how smug they can be about being American. Chris Hayes on MSNBC saying they all "won the national lottery" because they are American. Nothing wrong with being patriotic but that is total tripe.

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534483#Comment_122534483

Multiple times

PixelCrafter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535397#Comment_122535397

Yeah it gets a bit cringe-inducing and comes across as quite steeped in supremacy, exceptionalism and even can seem rather xenophobic to anyone who's looking at it from outside.

That being said, I don't really think they know or care how it looks.

They usually follow it up by a load of performative religiosity too. God bless this and that …

The Republicans are off the scale, but even the Democrats can be quite over the top.

If you did it in the UK you'd be considered to be on the lunatic imperialist fringe (and there are a few Tories on that) but they mostly make people feel queasy.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534154#Comment_122534154

Trump used up all of my sympathy when he was shot at and returned all the good will shown to him by the Democrats by being an absolute cunt back to them. He couldn't even find it within himself to be even slightly courteous in return.

Fuck him. He doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534206#Comment_122534206

Basket of deplorables.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122534895#Comment_122534895

Dan Quayle says hello.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535318#Comment_122535318

You would heavily expect Harris to win a debate…. But Trump has unexpectedly crushed a lot of politicians on the debate stage, he is not to be underestimated. His chaos style is difficult to defend against.

EltonJohn69

Bit of a contrast….

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535397#Comment_122535397

Its MSNBC, propaganda wing of the Dem party ala Fox with the Republicans, neither should be taken seriously let alone watched IMO.

Flaneur OBrien

This is so sus.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/23/georgia-election-deniers-pass-new-laws-election-chaos

Unless it's a landslide for Harris, this election will be decided by the Supreme Court. And we know how that went the last time.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122536044#Comment_122536044

If it comes down to one State with a GOP controlled legislature, like Georgia it'll be a nightmare , but if it's multiple States it becomes harder for the chicanery to succeed.