Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563844#Comment_122563844

Like I said, Twitter(X) or Facebook can no longer be relied upon to spin the b###s#it the Dems spin…the entire media class with the exception of Fox, and they are charlatans also, can no longer expect their nonsense to go unchallenged…long may it continue…I am really enjoying this election…everything has been turned on its head….the Dems won't be able to hide their candidate away from the public like they did in 2020 and get away with it!!! A lot has changed..

Oh and if you don't like X, go away and build your own social media platform!! No one is stopping you!!

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563841#Comment_122563841

😞

TDS? Oh. I thought you'd give better than that well trodden path.

You said she was vacuous, but didn't exactly go into details, so I felt it ok to skip by it to see where you lay with Trump. Didn't mean I wasn't going to return to it.

Now, back to vacuous

Let's first define it.

vacuous

adjective

1: emptied of or lacking content

2: marked by lack of ideas or intelligence : stupid, inane

3: devoid of serious occupation : idle

I don't think if you saw her at the DNC you could agree she was emptied or lacking content. She buzzed that crowd. They were wild. The donations have been flying in to help her campaign, as have the volunteer hours.

I was only listening to a podcast today that pointed out that she has 24 election offices compared to Trumps 12 in Georgia. All those are manned by a mixture of professionals and volunteers.

No.2: Marked by a lack of ideas? Don't think so buddy. I mean they might not be of the electric shark boat kind, but she has ideas. Mainly about carrying on lowering the interest rate as she and Biden have been doing. As for stupid... Please. You don't get to be attorney general of California if you're stupid. Truth be told, you don't get to pass the bar (even on the second pass 😉) if you're stupid. Just can't happen.

No.3: Devoid of a serious occupation/idle. The woman is the vice president of America and running to be President. I don't think she qualifies for no. 3 either.

So, I defended the false vacuous claim. Can you do the decent thing and answer me my question, because I am genuinely curious how people dot the i's and cross the t's on this one.

would it be fair to say you can look past the fact that Trump is a rapist, a racist, a fraud, and morally bankrupt, because you believe his policies are more important than his character?

It can be a simple "yes, I can see past all those faults because..." or "no, I don't actually believe any of them are true because..."

Or you know, TDS somethingorother

Water John

GOP are getting themselves in knots over abortion in state ballots, esp Florida. The purists are now saying Trump isn't pure enough.

Patrick T Brown, a fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center who opposes abortion, called Donald Trump’s statement of support for a Florida ballot measure that would expand abortion access “another middle finger towards pro-lifers.”

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563905#Comment_122563905

It seems you’re not interested in fair reporting standards, just thrilled that someone on the right wing has bought out a platform you feel will be able to suppress facts and stories you don’t like. Twitters relevance to the zeitgeist, however, is serially diminished from its highs in 2020, Musk has seen to that by nazifying the platform, and the surge in bots, spam and other nonsense. I think you’ll be disappointed that whatever he chooses to promote on the platform won’t have the influence you think it might come October or whatever.

👍🏻 hope you do enjoy yourself because I don’t think it looks like your candidate will be winning in November. “Red Wave November Take 4?”

nachouser

I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything. Aaaaand he actually blames the parents in the end. This is your guy, future re-regs.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1829527414164111794

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563945#Comment_122563945

Says the man who still believes the Hunter Biden story was Russian disinformation.

Twitter, as it was then, was used to shut that story down. Facebook did also.

It was funny watching "journalists" and "contributors" get their asses handed to them a few months ago when they were claiming Trump was farting and drooling through his trial in NY…any dissent like that would have previously been policed by the staff at Twitter and the Government. Nazifying a platform would be when the Government uses the public platform to clamp down on relevant public information and silencing dissenting voices., like what happened in 2020…you just haven't yet copped on that you were duped…

What you are doing is blaming the guy (MUSK) who is telling you that you were duped!

And ah, ya I won't be taking your predictions seriously…you were fawning over Biden just a few weeks ago until they told you to fawn over Harris instead…the even more unpopular VP to Biden. How many more times will you be duped?

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122561345#Comment_122561345

That happened quite some time ago.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563965#Comment_122563965

He is genetically incapable of taking responsibility for anything that happens.

Water John

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563997#Comment_122563997

Yes indeed, you were only duped once. You're the winner

Agent Coulson

Leading the internet lol

Ronaldo wants a word with you.

Maxface

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563965#Comment_122563965

Glad to hear he is leading the internet.

Water John

Donald Trump you're in trouble because Gwen Walz is coming for you:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1829557406621192271

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563997#Comment_122563997

You seem to be losing the run of yourself but the fact is the laptop story was a rightwing effort at 'october surprise' orchestrated by russian elements. The media was right to treat it with skepticism ahead of the election. Just as I'm sure you see no problem with the fact that the media has not at all divulged the contents of a hack of the Trump campaign, which was alleged to have taken place in the past few months and orchestrated by the Iranian government (the Democratic party has also spoken out about it, affirming their position that hacks by foreign entities should have no bearing on our election politics and they are not looking to treat the hacked materials with credibility either).

As for the nazification of the platform Twitter, it's quite plain, like how it caters to personalities like Michelle Marrow, even though as a GOP candidate she's openly called for the assassination of President Obama (so much for toning down the assassination rhetoric) and she remains in good standing on Nazified Twitter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llLIyDnp3CE

This, among other things, is why active use of Twitter is down from it's pre-Musk highs, and why it will have an underwhelming bearing on the outcome of the election. Facebook's active use has also been slowing down, people are tired of 'the algorithms':

https://pressgazette.co.uk/media-audience-and-business-data/media_metrics/facebooks-referral-traffic-for-publishers-down-50-in-12-months/

I don't believe Musk has done any sort of 'revealing' of any 'duping' perhaps you would be so good to explain.

My position on Biden remains that he's not senile, as so many kept trying to assert. What I do not challenge though is that his path to victory shifted away from him and he chose to step down. Meanwhile we've seen commenters of your ilk declaring "Red Wave November" for the last 3 or 4 cycles in a row and each time… it's never happened, it's flopped, they've underperformed from what polls suggested they would, and it's only gotten worse for them since the overturning of Roe by Boofs and Co.; you don't have to take my analysis or predictions seriously, it will just make November a harder knock for you later though I suspect.

Even with Covid in 2020, the Black Lives Matter Movement, etc. etc. and the immense political involvement among the public in 2020, it's worth noting that voter registrations have surged this cycle even when compared to 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrMar7jbHjs

Just don't say nobody told you, or claim in November that it was 'rigged' or "stollen"

'Roe Roe Roe your vote, gently down the stream…'

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564127#Comment_122564127

Ya like I said, I have no reason to believe anything you say…you probably don't even think Biden was removed from the Presidential ticket against his will by the party leadership in a blatant policital "undemocratic" coup…

And, ah…I'm not so sure people like things like rampant inflation, stagnant economic growth, rampant illegal immigration, funding endless proxy wars with taxpayers money, you know…the things that made Biden so unpopular!!

And ah,I'm not sure Americans can trust a candidate who can't even face a press pack let alone be able to face the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party or Putin or anyone else for that matter…they went with Biden after all in 2020 and look how that worked out, there's wars everywhere and neither Biden or Kamala can do jack s##t about it…no, I'm comfortable that Americans will vote for peace and prosperity…despite the best efforts of the media and celebrity class who will shreik about Hitler/Racism/Fascism etc etc, as they have for 8 years now!

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563802#Comment_122563802

The 2 death senarios for an October Surprise have me wanting to game out how that would look like:

Biden dies:

• Harris would become sitting President for the remainder of Biden’s term.
• She may get a boost in the election for assuming the mantle of office during a time of national crisis with Biden’s death.
• Her campaign becomes one for re-election, and as far as I know she’d only be permitted that one extra term.
• 2028 would need another candidate if she won in 2024, potentially Walz.
• Trump might try to hold on for another 4 years as the GOP candidate since Harris would be unable to run again.

Trump dies:

• Chaos ensues when the ticket falls to Vance.
• The Vance campaign might gain a small boost from Donnie’s death, but will likely squander that quickly (like with the assassination attempt)
• There may be a last minute attempt to put RFK on the ballot instead, but with GOP more headless than usual they might end up failing to update the ballot in time.
• The party will fracture with several characters to fill the gap left by Trump. The party in-fighting would likely become very public.
• The GOP likely lose very badly, having lost all hope of gaining the independent voters due to the public collapse of the party.

So, I don’t imagine either Biden or Trump dying end up helping the GOP ticket.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564176#Comment_122564176

Gish gallop. Let's take this opportunity to go through it.

Ya like I said, I have no reason to believe anything you say…you probably don't even think Biden was removed from the Presidential ticket against his will by the party leadership in a blatant policital "undemocratic" coup…

Ad hominem me all you want, it's your choice to ignore the realities I'm referencing, like the downturn of activity on Twitter and Facebook, the surge in voter registration, etc.; as for this "coup" nonsense, how would that have worked? Biden won all the delegates he needed, and more. There was (and remains) no mechanism to remove him from the ticket "against his will." Suggestions that he stepped down with a gun to his head or something, is laughable.

rampant inflation

Inflation no more: "WASHINGTON, Aug 14 (Reuters) - U.S. consumer prices rose moderately in July and the annual increase in inflation slowed to below 3% for the first time in nearly 3-1/2 years, opening the door wider for the Federal Reserve to cut interest rates next month."

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-consumer-prices-increase-expected-july-2024-08-14/

Under Biden btw, the US had one of the best economic recoveries after Covid w.r.t. inflation:

US companies have also admitted, yes, they gouged customers, revealing that a significant amount of the inflation was artificially induced by greed:

https://www.newsweek.com/kroger-executive-admits-company-gouged-prices-above-inflation-1945742

An admission which came in court when the Biden admin did it's job and pursued and is prosecuting price gouging. "While testifying to a Federal Trade Commission attorney Tuesday, Kroger's Senior Director for Pricing Andy Groff said the grocery giant had raised prices for eggs and milk beyond inflation levels."

This FTC chair has been one of the most consequential FTCs in US history:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDTiWaYfcM

rampant illegal immigration

Is also down, and again, the general public is under no illusions that Republicans have actively sought to instill chaos in the problem, having tanked a bipartisan bill to address the issues back in February because, as they admitted, they needed something to run on for November. Rather than address the border in a meaningful bipartisan way, with solutions, they signaled they want to do nothing for at least a year, the next time they seek to do something about the border won't come before January or February of next year, after the general election.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-crossings-plunge-near-level-lift-biden-border-crackdown/

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4433785-trump-says-blame-it-on-me-border-bill-fails/

https://newrepublic.com/article/178860/republicans-border-deal-michael-bennet

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/immoral-republicans-rebuke-efforts-kill-immigration-deal-help-trump-rcna135732

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4427922-senate-republicans-trump-ukraine-border-security-deal/

funding endless proxy wars with taxpayers money

Let's remember how adamant Republicans were that we fund a proxy war with Hamas:

https://apnews.com/article/house-republicans-military-aid-israel-ukraine-8b97e6e7df99e7ca4174cfbc560cfe42

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/03/us/politics/house-republicans-israel-aid.html

They were so adamant about funding Israel that they've introduced articles of impeachment against Biden for not supporting that proxy war enough for their liking:

https://thehill.com/homenews/4655009-republican-planning-impeachment-articles-against-biden-israel-weapons/

https://nypost.com/2024/05/13/us-news/house-republican-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-biden-over-israel-aid-cutoff-threat/

Clearly, the GOP can't decide if 'funding proxy wars' is a bad, or a good thing.

I'm not sure Americans can trust a candidate who can't even face a press pack

Clearly you must mean Trump here, when he stormed out of the NABJ event early, and held them up for about half an hour because he feared being fact-checked in real time.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/02/trump-nabj-fact-checking-black-journalists

let alone be able to face the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party or Putin or anyone else for that matter

And how he 'faces' Putin: like a dog on a leash

(Here's how it looks when a real president faces Putin)

As for how Trump regards China, he's enamored with Xi Xinping, who knows how to play him like a fiddle also:

https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-on-chinas-xi-we-love-each-other/

I can't imagine how you would react if a Democratic candidate said of Xi Xinping, "we love each other" or - well, I can.

they went with Biden after all in 2020 and look how that worked out

How indeed. Kamala seems poised to repeat this map while picking up North Carolina. Texas GOP are also legitimately worried that Texas could flip blue, and they've worked overtime to purge the rolls and stymie the record voter registration happening there, and Trump is personally worried that Florida will have record turnout for the Abortion ballot initiative.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-is-spooked-about-abortion-issue-on-state-ballot-adopting-dont-ask-dont-tell-strategy-according-to-florida-reporter/

there's wars everywhere and neither Biden or Kamala can do jack s##t about it…

Funny you say that, given Trump did everything in his power to set the stage for a disastrous afghanistan withdrawal,

https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-trump-national-security-slams-trump-afghanistan-withdrawal-concessions-taliban

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/08/donald-trump-joe-biden-afghanistan

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/pompeo-defends-plan-host-taliban-leaders-camp-david-n1051211

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/30/us-generals-say-afghanistan-collapse-rooted-in-trump-taliban-deal

the War in Ukraine,

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/trump-administration-broke-law-in-withholding-ukraine-aid.html

https://www.nybooks.com/online/2022/03/11/how-trump-sabotaged-ukraine/

and the war in Israel,

https://apnews.com/article/1d4e1824283f41eaa8422227fa8e6ea7

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/03/trump-netanyahu-alliance-peace-plan-dangerous-americans-israelis/

the media and celebrity class

Who could it be…

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564176#Comment_122564176

I believe Biden was pressured into stepping down, but ultimately it was his decision.

Rampant inflation: The inflation rate in America is currently 2.9% that's down by quite a bit, post covid.

Source: https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

Stagnant economic growth:

After a dip in 2020, it seems to be on the way back up again.

Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-gross-domestic-product

"Rampant" illegal immigration:

So since Biden took office, apprehensions and expulsions have sky rocketed past what Trump could only dream of. Do you think if you have many millions are being caught and turned away that there must be multitude of millions getting through? It very much looks like Biden has been way tougher on the border than Trump ever was.

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

Funding endless proxy wars: can you be a bit more specific so I can see what you're referring to? Is it Israel? Ukraine? Someone else? America's interests are vast and they protect their interests at all costs.

And lastly, the press pack.

So what? I do t think Americans care. Out of the two runners in this race, one has done a very boring, normal interview, and the other has done multiple crazy interviews with lies and incendiary quotes. Guess what? Even after his car crash interviews replete with lies, they're still neck and neck. If Americans don't care about him lying his ass off, I'm sure they don't give a damn about her not doing enough press packs.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564261#Comment_122564261

Her campaign becomes one for re-election, and as far as I know she’d only be permitted that one extra term.

Per the constitution, a VP could fulfill the role of POTUS for up to 2 years and still get serve up to 2 terms. So the maximum tenure of a president is, technically, about 10 years. If a VP has to assume the role for greater than 2 years, they can only be elected to the office for 1 term:

22nd Amendment

Section 1

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

I think what would happen is the right wing would melt down if she assumed the role of POTUS ahead of the election. And they'd surely immediately begin a bogus impeachment effort.

I'm honestly not sure what GOP personality will come out as the head of the party if Trump dies of old age or a cheeseburger related heart attack but I really don't think it will coalesce around Vance, and I think the party will have a freakout that they've lost their chance to win in November.

extra-ordinary_

That was a really poor defence Walz put forward for his carrying weapons of/in war comment he made previously. Was he not in Italy at the time he was talking about, training guys who were going to Afghanistan or wherever it was? So surely all he had to say was that he was part of the war effort and that's what he was speaking of and that one doesn't need to be standing on the frontline getting shot at to be involved in a war.

"My wife…grammar…something, something", like really? What am I missing?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564297#Comment_122564297

I don't think any pressure by Nancy or whoever is what did it for him, as thought Nancy has, in either of their careers, ever had Biden over any sort of barrel, least of all as POTUS and her as a former speaker in the House without any formal leadership role. I think it was his campaign advisors giving him the data showing that he had lost his sure pathways to a november win.

Shoog

I suspect when Trump loses and ends up in jail the GOP will finally purge it's MAGA insurgency.

MAGA will likely try to form a new party and wither and die with violent splinter elements lingering for a few years.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564327#Comment_122564327

Republicans have 'started new parties' before.. like the TEA Party, literally had party in its name, but they're always chickenshit, they always just form a new caucus under the same umbrella.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564306#Comment_122564306

It would be funny if somehow RFK jr emerges as the phoenix from the flames of the Republican party.

I have no idea what would happen if Trump passed away. JD becomes the main man on the ticket, but would he get a VP pick? God forbid he won, would he get to have one?

Roger the cabin boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563918#Comment_122563918

You are trying too hard.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564338#Comment_122564338

I'm pretty sure laws and bylaws would make him the head of the ticket, and he'd have to pick someone else, but Trump may still be named on the ballot posthumously at this late stage.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564339#Comment_122564339

Honestly, I was crying out to have a good discussion with a Trumper. I had such high hopes.

Oh well.

Back to this place being an "echo chamber" so.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563905#Comment_122563905

Oh and if you don't like X, go away and build your own social media platform!! No one is stopping you!!

Or buy it and turn it in to a Conspiracy Theory, Porn and AI shilling platform like the last bucko did. Smartest man in the world they said, and he spaffed 40B up against the wall for attention.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564350#Comment_122564350

I'd love to know how much he actually put in, because we know it was funded by Saudis, Russians, all the good guys.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564350#Comment_122564350

Who cares, it can't be used by the Dems or the US government to silence and censor people like Nazis, like it used to…that's all that matters!!!

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564359#Comment_122564359

Who knows, it's probably all monopoly money at the level. If the Saudi's Russians et al were involved, it's about as legit and real as US Treasury stimulus injections.

But the damage to Musk is the perception that that clown was a genius and savvy business man.

Himself and Trump are well matched, it's no surprise the two of them are gleefully pushing AI fantasy flics of the two of them depicted as they both so desperately wished they were actually like in real life.