Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

Doctor Jimbob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564582#Comment_122564582

Yet you appear to support Musk’s twitter, despite the fact he also silences opinions he doesn’t like.

robinph

There is a "free speach" argument for everyone has the right to stand on a soap box and shout about whatever enters their mind to those who pass by. Nobody is require to listen though.

Musk thinks that Twitter is the equivalent of that, whereas in reality it's more like a massive billboard in everyone's front room, displaying the most hateful comments that he can manage to guess will antagonise each individual and you are not permitted to read anything else except what he sticks infront of you. That isn't free speach and what gets displayed on that screen should be controlled.

Derkaiser93

There's not much analyses of the actual election on here. Just an echo chamber of Trump bashing.

We know he's a psycho and narcisssist with fascist backing but its boring. Really hoped and expected some actual coverage of the election..

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564678#Comment_122564678

Be the change you want to see in the world my man.

If you want to see the election discussed at a more analytical level, bring some of that to the conversation.

FYI, there's a thread on the topic in the Political forum where you may find less of the posts that offend you.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564405#Comment_122564405

then I’m very curious how you’ll react to this.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-crowd-goes-wild-when-he-proposes-blatantly-unconstitutional-prison-sentences-for-flag-burners/

Censoring political voices and opposition - prison sentences for them in fact. Not the good guys, right? Don’t sit silently in the corner on this…

Sweetemotion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564689#Comment_122564689

Ha ha 🤣

Derkaiser93

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564689#Comment_122564689

...sigh...I've already tried to get the ball rolling before.

Overheal

Trump makes clear that interview went well for Harris

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-lashes-out-at-nasty-dana-bash-says-cnn-should-be-ashamed-of-themselves-after-harris-interview/

Repo101

This topic highlights how people often skirt around the real issue, letting their ingrained political biases lead to empty arguments rather than engaging in meaningful discussion. It must be said that most of these empty arguments are coming from those who are misguided enough to think they belong to the righteous left. Embarrassing.

The foundational principles of socialism, which emphasise government control and redistribution of wealth, clash with the American ideals of individual freedom, entrepreneurship, and limited government. While some may believe they can make these opposing ideologies coexist, the reality is that they remain fundamentally incompatible. This persistent belief often leads to policies that create more division than unity, as they attempt to force together elements that naturally repel each other.

The delusional is the reality in this discussion. Idealists pretending they have the answer are nothing but a route to anarchism. And charlatans pretending they have the next cure all tonic.

The idea that the reality reflects a perfect world is completely delusional nonsense.

Trump is nothing to be celebrated but Harris is devoid of anything. A snake oil salesman pretending to be something she doesn't believe in the pursuit of power.

Sweetemotion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564723#Comment_122564723

ChatGPT

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564703#Comment_122564703

I just had a quick look at the the corresponding thread on the Political forum, and guess what, Trump is heavily featured there as well in a similar fashion to a large degree. And while it is 'old' and easy pickings at this stage, it still is understanding, in my view.

He's probably the single most significant political figure in a lot of our lifetimes because of his impact on political focus and conversation. I do find it fascinating how so many are so enamored by him because we've literally seen so much of him that doesn't stand up to scrutiny in terms of being capable for the environment in which he finds himself. I am serious when I say I find that fascinating, I'm not joking when I think of the children's tale of The Emperors new clothes in the context of how he has so little to him political ability speaking, and yet he is judged by different rules by so many for some reason.

I was against him from day 1 and someone asked me why and I said that he would massively change the political discourse and specifically what constituted acceptable behavior. And its one of the few times I've been 100% correct in my predictions.

And I would love to be able to discuss this objectively, I'd love to genuinely understand how 'we' let this happen (we = everyone plus the establishment, the media etc etc) but, because of how he changed the political discourse, what we are often left with is the simplistic statements of 'TDS and Cultists' the likes of which you see here.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564723#Comment_122564723

Did you use an AI to write some of this? Cause it genuinely reads as such. Harris is not a socialist firstly. Secondly, she's the only credible politician in the race. The other amounts to a wannabe dictator who is a rapist and felon. He's the lowest of the low and I think a second term would genuinely cause long lasting damage to the US.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564723#Comment_122564723

The foundational principles of socialism, which emphasise government control and redistribution of wealth, clash with the American ideals of individual freedom, entrepreneurship, and limited government

Load of crap tbh. Back when America was really booming the top marginal tax rate was 90%, we’ve always had a strong police force (born out of Americas 400 year history of not respecting individual freedom or having a “limited” government) and the right wing right now of all things is obsessed with policing women’s bodies and forcing individuals to have children, with pregnancy and miscarriage registries; so much for small government and individual freedom. Don’t even get me started on the redistribution of power through the electoral college, the 3/5th compromise or the Senate (just ask Dakota, split into North and South, having vastly more senate representation than the entire state of California, or Texas, or even Florida for example) or the redistribution of tribal land throughout our history (by force). To suggest socialist policies are somehow “unamerican” is the height of ignorance, and certainly seems to exemplify someone being led around by their own political biases, how ironic.

Derkaiser93

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564737#Comment_122564737

Yeah I'd agree with you 100% in that he's both fascinating but also terrifying and scary. Also quite depressing. My point was more I think some talk about polling, modelling and more factual elements of the campaign and election wouldn't go amiss in here. But it's a forum I guess and if this is how the users want to engage, that's the consensus.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564723#Comment_122564723

Your first paragraph is worthy of a thread in and of itself. The dismissal of what might be identified as Left motivated ideals as being embarassing is interesting, as is the complete absence of judgement of mindsets that do not fall in to the category of the righteous Left. What meaningful discussion do you think you want to be a part of when you write a paragraph such as this?

Socialism exists in the US, but it exists for elite sectors of society (the military machine) and corporations at least as much as it does for any group at a family level or smaller.

And rather than dismissing the 'idealists' who advocate for all in society, the taking care of the sick, the welcoming the unhomed, etc etc while the Christian right who espouse the teachings of Jesus decry these ideals, can you maybe tell us what is 'the cure' that we are failing to see as the rampant Capitalism of the last 30 years is evident all around us in a world that is harder for more people to feel optimistic about that at any other point in most of our lives.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564765#Comment_122564765

there are routinely posts about factual elements of the campaign, and polling, and the modeling. So I’m not sure what the complaint is.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564765#Comment_122564765

It's not just the forum though, that's the thing. It is what political commentary now is to a significant degree. Of course we still have the Emily Maitlis's and a few more, but look at political commentary in the US and UK media over the last few years and its not a whole lot different from the content of this thread.

And he is a big part of why this is the case. Not just him, Rupert Murdoch is probably more responsible than Trump in that respect, but for decades, politicians didn't stoop to Murdoch's level. Trump and Johnson (and a few more) in the UK have gotten right in to bed with him. Trump in particular I'd say made Murdoch regret that he is partly responsible for his rise. He tried to jettison him 2 years ago but when Trump refused to play ball, he has rolled back in behind him to a large degree.

If you're genuinely interested in the topic, make yourself a cup of tea and spend an hour or so watching some key political interviews and TV debates from the years gone by, the difference between then and now is like comparing senior hurling to a school yard puckaround, it's incredible. And Reagan (removing the obligation for media outlets to be truthful) Murdoch and a handful more created this environment, before Trump grabbed the reigns, and here we are.