Do women get the same pay as men?

bobbyss

Was wondering if women get the same pay as men in the Defence Forces? While serving with the UN are women expected to do the same things as male soldiers? Are women at the same risk as the men in a hostile environment abroad?

kowloon

https://www.military.ie/en/careers/faqs/defence-forces-rates-of-pay/

65535

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058364234/do-women-get-the-same-pay-as-men

The answers to the three questions are the same answer:

Women wanted equality and got it.

bobbyss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499825#Comment_122499825

Thanks for that.

I think a man and a woman should get the same pay when they're doing the same job. What I am trying t get at is for example if there are female plumbers or carpenters or welders in the army do they get the same pay as a man? If serving abroad (and this is in the context of an attack recently where Irish soldiers just missed being hit by a rocket attack) are female soldiers expected to do the same as their male counterparts? Ideally I'd like to hear from a soldier or someone who has experience in the army. There must be risky parts to serving abroad eg going on patrol which exposes you to harm, are females expected to do that as well as the males?

endacl

Is AMCK on holiday?

bobbyss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499983#Comment_122499983

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Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499871#Comment_122499871

Again, and you've been told already, the answers are YES.

o1s1n

There are plenty of female Irish DF soldiers who go on deployment overseas.

You won't score any 'women get paid the same but don't do the same level of work as men' points here I'm afraid.

bobbyss

Plenty of women in the Irish Army serve overseas. They serve our country proudly.

I take my hat off to all soldiers in service abroad. They all put their lives at risk.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500121#Comment_122500121

Then what were you asking?

bobbyss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122500134#Comment_122500134

As per the very first sentence in the very first post and while serving with the UN are women expected to do the same things as male soldiers and are women at the same risk as the men in a hostile environment abroad? This is all in the first post above.

The best person to answer these questions, I suppose, would be a soldier who served abroad with women soldiers. There may be a difference between what is expected and what happens in practice.

Your own post above suggests that both men and women are exposed to the same risks while serving abroad.

Do you have military experience abroad yourself?

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499871#Comment_122499871

Everyone gets treated the same, but actual pay will be different because of the various allowances people receive based on their skills, their experience and the need for their skills. For instance there is a greater need for fully trained fire fighters on a state vessel than there is a shore and so on.

If you join the defence forces then it is a given that you accept there is a high chance that a some stage you may very well meet someone who will without hesitation try to take your life! It is the nature of the job and you don't have to leave the country to find yourself in those situations - conducting an armed boarding of a suspected drug cartel vessel in the North Atlantic in winter storm conditions will keep the adrenaline pumping.

Wages help, but the reality is you have the mentality to do it or you don't.

Peregrinus

The question is not whether women get the same pay and allowances as men — they do, rank for rank — but whether they get the same opportunities as men.

For the past 25 years there have been no gender-based restrictions on the operational roles in which anyone may serve — all roles are open to all suitably qualified service personnel, without distinction of gender.

But the formal rules and structures are one thing; the culture of an organisation is another. The Independent Review Group, reporting in 2023, concluded that "at best, the Defence Forces barely tolerates women and, at its worst, verbally, physically, sexually and psychologically abuses women in its ranks". That's not a wholly uncontested view but you'd have to accept that, if there's any truth to it at all, then it's not a stretch to imagine that there might be informal or unacknowledged, but real, barriers to women serving in particular roles or in particular contexts. This would adversely affect not only a woman's earnings but, even more, her status, her career progression, etc.

kowloon

All of this is easily found on Military.ie, like @o1s1n has pointed out, there's a strong whiff of an agenda here.