Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Republicans will never blame the guns anyway.

It's always an instant scramble to find anything mental health related or what party the suspect supports 😂

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620172#Comment_122620172

He literally tweeted All Lives Matter which was the complete antithesis of what anyone pro BLM would tweet... He seemed to hold views that were pretty diverse and not unique to the Dems or GOP TBH.

He was a Republican Democrat..

Similar to Trump so!

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620172#Comment_122620172

Got proof for him being a registered Democrat? Thanks... Conspiracy theorist and a fantasist are the clearest aspects of him IMHO. Antivaxx and the idea of him recruiting former members of Al Qaeda to send to Ukraine sounds delusional.

Flaneur OBrien

You know if the tables were turned, I bet Trump would say something like, "You know what they say, third times the charm. I hope it doesn't happen."

Uh huh, sure he wouldn't.

Anyway, the dude is a registered independent, and a proper anti-vax, all lives matter odd job.

eightieschewbaccy

Also just to clarify @Redliketoast , he appears to be unaffiliated and not a registered Democrat. He did vote in Democrat North Carolina primaries but anyone who is unaffiliated can do so.

Check the notes on this tweet...

https://twitter.com/realDonParody/status/1835438983033049134?t=i29nQQN6u32mwwZ-a7WAPA&s=19

everlast75

Not winning the lotto is disappointing, but nothing can compare to the disappointment of being MAGA and finding out a would-be assassin is not an LGBT/Trans/Black/Latino/Haitian/Registered Democrat/Swift supporter.

Deub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122619569#Comment_122619569

You are correct. You know what they say: Money doesn’t buy class and Trump is the living proof of it.

Dingaan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620172#Comment_122620172

He was an active donor to ActBlue, a political action committee that supports Democratic candidates.

eightieschewbaccy

Some samples from his now gone Twitter account. Somebody took a screenshot of them all. Link to full lot below it. His repeated efforts to broker peace between the US and North Korea by inviting Kim Jong Un to stay with him, honestly just sounds like the guy has not been well for a very long time. It all sounds very delusional so pinning him as either a Dem or GOP member is irrelevant IMHO.

https://i.imgur.com/MU5PECk.png

hometruths

If this is the level of discussion and debate in Ireland, it is truly terrifying to imagine what is like in the US.

screamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620263#Comment_122620263

I tell you what's mire terrifying is the headbangers there threatening to take up arms if Trump loses. i saw that on sky news about 2 weeks ago and it was unreal. I think that no matter who wins over there, the US is in for 4 very tough years. I believe Trump will win, though I dont think either of them is the right president that the US needs either.

pjohnson

Anti-vaxers/All Lives Matter fruitloops are 99.9% Republican.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620305#Comment_122620305

His actual tweets do end up sympathizing with BLM. But overall, he reads as manic tbh. Believes himself to be incredibly important etc.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620314#Comment_122620314

And that instability would line up seamlessly with the MAGA leader and his flip flopping big mac fueled CAPs LoCK tweets.

Maybe Routh has less convictions than Trump and it was just the criticism of Swift that pushed him over the edge.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620295#Comment_122620295

Yep - before the debate even, I “predicted” Harris would win - I’ve moved away from that now. It’s not because Harris isn’t a good candidate in herself- I believe she is - but this election seems to be a battle of right over left- nothing more. Harris talking about taxes or the economy or how she’ll make peoples lives better or her policies is just folly at this stage - I don’t think anyone is in listening mode anymore.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620059#Comment_122620059

This is flat out Bullsh*t.

Both the last guy and this guy were clearly more aligned with Trump and the GOP, both of them voted for him in the past.

What basis have you for blaming anyone on the left for these incidents?

Water John

The main problem is this, takes the oxygen from the media and Harris with time being the enemy.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620357#Comment_122620357

Call me a cynic, or even a conspiracy theorist, but I can't help feeling, this is straight out of Fr Ted, "We'll have a second Mass".

Trumps team: The only story of the week is Harris, we need to get the headlines focussing on us.

Trump: Man, I just want to play golf.

Trumps Team: Thats it! A second assasination attempt, while he is golfing. It will guarantee us the news cycle for the next few days.

Leroy42

Their political affiliation is not the issue. There are millions of supporters of both Harris and Trump yet only 2 people have tried to make an attempt on his life. So clearly political affiliation in not the reason for the attacks.

Mental health & access to weapons appear to be much more of a cause. But then America doesn't want to talk about that. Far easier to blame the other party.

And how come Trump doesn't just accept these attacks as simply a fact of life or something he needs to move on from. Rather than his supporters getting annoyed an upset surely giving up their thoughts and prayers is more than enough!

The above of course is said ironically, mimicking the lines that Trump, Vance and the right trot out whenever some schoolkids get blasted as they walk from Home Ec to Science class.

LambshankRedemption

Speaking of conspiracy theories, it looks like the Asassination on Trump thread has now gone out of sync too. Coincidence?

Flaneur OBrien

All these stunts that deprive the Harris campaign of oxygen are helping Trump win.

Sorry to say, but I am moving from Harris winning back to 49/51 Trump…

It's not even her fault. She did a good debate, she picked a good running mate, she's been running a mainly positive campaign, she's campaigning where it mattered, and she has the money and celebrity backing.

Trump on the other hand has not run a positive campaign. He's backed by the Christo-fascist plan of Project 25, his rallies are 3/4 empty, but still all the signs are pointing to a Trump win. America is bonkers.

I wouldn't want to be in Harris' team right now. I'd be bald as a coot. I'd be like Cartman.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620357#Comment_122620357

I posted above that I reckon people are no longer in listening mode with this latest debacle - you’re right but I’m not sure what Harris can say to influence any remaining undecided. A sit down interview, a video message - yes she should be doing all of that and more - but that’s the playbook for normal times - what do you think Harris should be “saying” at this stage ? What key points need to be landed and how?
im probably in defeatist mode now- I can’t see her saying or doing anything that will alter the outcome of this election

Yes he tweeted all lives matter once. But that was in the height if riots. His tweets were more aligned with blm than anti blm. Not that it matters.

His tweets were also pro biden harris

Again.... and all of my posts say this it doesn't matter if he wss dem or rep. He wss anti Trump. The anti trumpers are OK with wanting him dead and that is an issue.

Since 2012 he was registered as an independent. There was a report of someone of the same name in Caroline of being democrat but it looks like that wss a different person. The real Ryan seems to be an independent who heavily backed Tulsi Gabbard when she ws a demo. He is a big backer in actblu and has made 19 contributions since 2019. he did say he voted for Trump in 2016 but that and the one all lives matter tweet, seem yo be outliers from the rest of his persona.

As I keep saying. His political affiliation is not an issue. There are nut jobs on both sides. Thinking any different makes you that nut job. Statistically there can't nit be nut jobs on both sides. But the killing attempted murder needs to stop.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620357#Comment_122620357

I think this can help Harris if she plays it right. The quick tweet last night was important. I don't trust her at all but if i am wrong and she is genuine, then that shoupd shine through here. The country is crying out for someone that will unite them.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620430#Comment_122620430

Lads lads lads, deep breaths.

Each week for trump is getting worse.

He's got his more court dates and damaging information to be released.

He is spiralling.

Vance is a disaster.

His debate was so bad he pulled out of future ones.

Yes, he still has his MAGA base, but I still believe the majority of independents plus ALL Dems will go Harris' way.

I still reckon she'll get by.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620422#Comment_122620422

Hopefully the Taylor Swift endorsement will be the silent killer for the trump campaign. She has cult like status among her Swifties. People who had no intention of voting at all, will vote Harris to emulate their idol.

As we have discussed in other threads, 18-40 year olds are not being accurately polled, so their intentions are not going to be known until election day.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620326#Comment_122620326

I would go the other way and say Trump looks like a busted flush. He sounds tired and lacking energy and relying solely on negative campaigning about immigrants and all the rest, actively courting the racist vote. There's not much of a positive vision there or a sense he is bringing something fresh to the table.

Water John

There are still people who'd like to vote Harris but are financially, feeling the pinch, in everyday living. She needs to address that with a plan. I'll do this, this and this. The rest of it is a ground war, in the swing states and getting out the vote.

Flaneur OBrien

I think the Harris team need to be doing even more.

Someone said free concerts.

Yes, absolutely. Get Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, the other stars that are supporting her to do a roadshow of support in the swing states.

It'll be infuriating if there was money left in the campaign coffers (and there should well be more than enough for concerts) and they didn't try everything to get out the vote.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620446#Comment_122620446

Pulled Out of future ones? When were they agreed? Kamala is the one who refused to do the other debates. He has refused to organise any more and I don't blame him after the ABC debacle.Sure why would he do another debate where the moderators are not impartial? Fwiw I think the refusal is a negotiation tactic more than a refusal. But chances are we won't see another. I think Harris might need it more than he does as of now.

As for Vance being a disaster. Maybe try watching more than democrat leaning sound bites. The guy is pure politics. Great politician. I don't agree with his policies he is very Christian republican. But he is a great speaker and comes across really well. A million times the candidate walz is. I think the debate between them will be really good.

Harris got no bounce from the dnc nor the debate. If anything projections are going Trump's way. It will be interesting to see if she gets a bounce after the swift tweets. But right now it doesn't seem so.

I think Trump wins this before the end of October. As in he will look out of reach by the third week of October.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620477#Comment_122620477

Lol

"Anytime, anywhere" quickly changed after one debate with Harris.

He's a coward.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620446#Comment_122620446

Well bless your faith at least 😀

I like your glass half full stance - but I don’t think we as posters here can really understand what the hell is happening in America right now - and just how badly people are feeling

to most rational people in Ireland it’s an alien concept to vote for someone like Trump -and in the interests of balance, there’s probably quite a few who wouldn’t like their leader to be so far left either with Harris - hence we’ve had a generally middle of the road government with slight movements left and right - but that’s only because we’ve had relatively moderate politics overall to date- but even that is now changing Ireland and we’ve seen the impact on our streets, the violence and intimidation against immigrants , the agitators stirring violence at public protests etc etc

I’m wondering are we just 10 years behind America or 15 years behind- is all of this to come in some version down the road, on a lesser scale but still - we’ve seen things turn in other European states - we’re not immune here in Ireland .

Fear drives people towards perceived safety - as this campaign began the majority of Americans felt safer under Trump - scary times

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620433#Comment_122620433

Again.... and all of my posts say this it doesn't matter if he wss dem or rep. He wss anti Trump. The anti trumpers are OK with wanting him dead and that is an issue.

I'm anti-Trump but don't want him dead! You are just sensationalising this to further your own viewpoint!

I'd also point out that the last assination attempt was by someone who was a Republican supporter.

As I keep saying. His political affiliation is not an issue. There are nut jobs on both sides. Thinking any different makes you that nut job. Statistically there can't nit be nut jobs on both sides. But the killing attempted murder needs to stop.

You don't want people politicising it yet your post does exactly that.

Water John

I am a Harris supporter, would possibly prefer Sanders, Warren, Klobuchar, Whitmer. But I try to always use a rational approach. If someone's good or poor, I'll say that. Saying Vance is way better than Walz, I would call out as spoofing, no credibility.

eightieschewbaccy

I think this is the first time I've heard anyone speak that positively of Vance. 😂

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620477#Comment_122620477

As soon as you make a serious point, I'll reply to it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620483#Comment_122620483

Why should he do it when Harris refused the fox one?

I mean he was screwed over in the debate they had. So why would he trust Harris with a future debate?

I do think they might have one but if certainly won't be on Harris terms

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620517#Comment_122620517

Let me add to that. He has very nice skin. I wish my skin was like that.

So that's two nice things said about him(though I think the first one was bollox).

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620537#Comment_122620537

He screwed himself in that debate. He couldn't answer basic questions, even when asked about Ukraine, he refused to say that he wants them to win the war. The pet eating and raving about the size of his rallies, the lies about crime stats that all came from him. So he dug his own grave and blaming the moderators is reaching.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620540#Comment_122620540

I mean he was screwed over in the debate they had. So why would he trust Harris with a future debate?

How so?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620493#Comment_122620493

Not sensational, it is saying that it is not dem v reps.

It's pro trump's v anti trump's.

You have dems backing Trump and reps backing Harris. So it can't be as simple as d v r.

The last assassin was also an actblue.

As I keep saying, my point is that both sides have nut jobs and that's all I am pointing out. I am saying it because in here there seems to be so many that keep saying "we are not the same".

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620537#Comment_122620537

Then it wouldn't be "anywhere, anytime" would it? The man's a chicken. A coward. There won't be another debate. His numbers have just marginally passed hers. Opening himself to being looked upon by the public would ruin his chances of a presidency. It's why he didn't debate in the prelims.

If he did, chances are, both these nominees wouldn't have been on the ticket.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620537#Comment_122620537

How exactly was he "screwed over" ?

Did the moderators make him talk about Immigrants eating pets?

Did the moderators make him say "I had nothing to do with January 6th" ?

Did the moderators make him lie about winning in 2020?

Did the moderators make him say "I have the concepts of a plan for Healthcare" after spending the last decade telling everyone that he'd fix it quickly and easily?

So again , How was he "screwed over" ?

Try watching JD Vance speak. He speaks on policy. He is a really good speaker. Walz on the other hand justvtries to motivate in his talks. He doesn't really speak on points.

There is more substance in Vance than Walz.

If you refuse to watch both sides of the coverage, you can't have a serious opinion.

Water John

The correct question that should be asked is, how has somebody, who's clearly mentally unstable have access to such firearms?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620568#Comment_122620568

I checked his vote blue donations, they were generally directed towards Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang. It amounted to about 80 dollars. He equally wanted Nikki Haley as the presidential candidate.

But regardless, this guy actively thought he could invite Kim Jong Un over for a visit and believed in vaccine conspiracy theories. He's unwell and that's the reality. He also was a member of neither party.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620595#Comment_122620595

This would be JD Vance who just said that he will lie and make up stories if he thinks it helps him?

That JD Vance?

The JD Vance who would not apologise for lying about a dead child for political gain when directly asked to do so by the Childs father.

That JD Vance ?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620606#Comment_122620606

Not only that but a guy who was involved in a Barricade situation where he ran from Police after a traffic stop and it took them 3hrs+ to get him out of a building , where he was found with what the police describes as "Weapons of mass destruction".

Mental health or not , that guy should never have been allowed near a gun again.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620451#Comment_122620451

That’s a fair summary of Trumps campaign- but taking it a step further, what does that say about nearly half the population of America?
Trump is only saying what he feels his prospective voters want to hear- he doesn’t hold any of his stated beliefs in any strong regard and would drop them in a heartbeat if his followers changed theirs .

Trump is merely the personification of the feelings of millions of Americans - he uses fear and doubt as a method to keep them rooted to these beliefs - “cat eating” etc

People might feel better about themselves if they slate Trump - their conscience might feel better - personally I’ve never got the “outrage”- it’s clear millions of Americans are angry - lambasting Trump won’t solve that - I think even Harris knows it’s folly to go that route as she won’t be seeing as criticising Trump, she’ll be seen as criticising voters.

She needs to be very careful how she words her language over the coming weeks- strong positive statements yes- and when criticising Trump be careful that you don’t put down his voters at the same time