Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628844#Comment_122628844

So , we have "screen-shots" but not a single person has confirmed that they actually have possession of the document or seen it in person.

Do you honestly think that if Mike Johnson had this in his hands on September 9th/10th that he wouldn't be ALL over the media discussing it??

That Jim Jordan and James Comer wouldn't be sending a barrage of subpoenas looking for the alleged transcripts and/or audio of these meetings?

Why hide the name of the notary public?

They could easily confirm if they did or did not notarize the document , they aren't involved in whether or not the information is true or not - They simply say "Person X wrote this and I signed it to prove that they wrote it" so they aren't subject to questioning about any matters of fact other than the signing of the document.

Every single element that would allow any kind of 3rd party validation of the actual existence of this "affidavit" has been removed from these screen-shots.

Why?

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628928#Comment_122628928

And things like this are why one side tends to be fact-checked more than the other.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628878#Comment_122628878

In most political discourse, there are no perfect sides in any debate. However we're a weird situation now where one side is openly embaracing facism and the cult of personality that usually goes with it.

The Dems are by no means perfect and you'll find many of the anti-Trump posters here echoing that, but they are not the clear danger to Western Democracy that the GOP and Trump represent.

The reason we often assign "Cult" to the MAGA side is that in order to accept thier position they must ignore reality. The reality is that Trump was never suitable for Office, before during and after the fact. MAGA people choose to ignore this and many other things, because if they were to ever examine their beliefs, they would be unable to support MAGA. Many Dems held onto Biden because the alternative seemed too horrible to consider, however many facts to the world were still open to them and most of them had no issue with supporting Harris when she became the nominee. There is no cult of personality with the Dems. Harris is their chosen champion now, but she won't be above critism forever and frankly never should be.

That it is the core difference. For MAGA, Donnie can never be wrong, especially when he is. For everyone else, he most certainly can be wrong.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628887#Comment_122628887

I have formed my own opinions.

He's a horrible human being.

When he was on the Apprentice , I saw him as the worst kind of caricature of the Boorish New Jersey used Car Salesman he really is.

When he first entered the Political Arena I saw him as the hateful , self obsessed narcissist that he really is .

And now I see him as that same self-obsessed narcissist he has always been with extra helpings of bitterness , vengeance and mental decline.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628855#Comment_122628855

No she literally lied

She claimed he called Neo Nazis and White supremacists "Very fine people"

He specifically said that he was not talking about Neo Nazis and White supremacists who should be called out for what they were doing. He said that there are very fine people on both sides (the left and right) but specifically excluded the Neo Nazis and White supremacists.

She said that he claimed there would be a bloodbath if the election is not to his liking

He was talking about a bloodbath for the auto industry. He was talking about how if he doesnt get elected then auto plants will be lost to China and it would be a bloodbath for the country.

Kamala at the debate blamed China for being responsible for not being transparant about covid. Something she calls Trump out for.

She said that Trump supports Project 2025

He denies it and has always denied it.

She said he supports a national abortion ban

He denies it and has always denied it.

She repeated the Project 2025 stuff.

He again denied it.

These are just a couple of moments where the moderators failed to fact check Harris

johnny_ultimate

LOL at citing Bill Ackman as a main source… the man is a terminally online fanatic, in the Elon Musk tier of gullible, twitter-pilled conservative billionaires. Has a McCarthyite fervour in trying to punish anyone who speaks up against Israel's war crimes or even is insufficiently pro-Israel by his standards, hence going full MAGA. His approach seems to be using interminably long twitter posts in a bid to distract from the fact he's talking total nonsense.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628776#Comment_122628776

You didn't. You name checked a bunch of comedians and díckheads on YouTube.

🙄

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628872#Comment_122628872

"Weirdly you cant" - wtf you on about. You think that I, can provide you with the notary now?

Are you from this planet?

Uncivil - warned and 3 month forum ban applied

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628905#Comment_122628905

It wasnt what Trump was saying that has led to any assassination attempts

Leroy42

@Red, Trump is a known liar. His VP, just this week, stated they would make up stories in order to get into the media. Trump is a convicted fraudster. He has cheated on his wives, he has taken money from charities for his personal use.

So why would you think that he saying he would, or wouldn't do something, is anything that anyone can place any credibility on?

As for him being a threat to democracy, at every single election he has stood in he has stated that he will not accept the result if it goes against him. He has never conceded the last election.

Someone who repeatedly and then allows a violent mob to try to kill other politicians in a failed attempt to overturn an election that he lost is clearly a danger to democracy.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628972#Comment_122628972

So what you're saying is absolutely nothing you've claimed is remotely verifiable but you're accepting it as true.... That's pretty shoddy and it's weird that you could believe anything like that without proof. It's like the pet eating stuff, you'll see something on Twitter and claim it as definitive proof.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628978#Comment_122628978

You haven't any proof that it's anything the Dems said either though. However given the fact the man has somewhat of an obsession with Ukraine, the fact that Trump wouldn't say that he wanted Ukraine to win the war in the debate that could as easily have been a factor as anything else. Trump's own stances backfiring on him effectively.

However we can't say for definite but to claim definitively that Trump's own statements didn't influence the shooter is something you cannot claim.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628962#Comment_122628962

Yeah..

Those aren't "lies".

We've been through the whole "Fine people of both sides thing already" , Trump was dog whistling to his supporters for fear of offending them

The Bloodbath comment ,again Dog Whistling and you know it.

And as for his "I know nothing about Project 2025" bullsh!t - Most of the staff on the project worked for him , His VP choice wrote the foreword ffs!! He says "they have some good ideas and some bad ideas" without every saying which are which. Yet another punt to avoid the heat.

And on Abortion , he has danced around it saying he wanted a 15 week limit , then he wanted the States to do it , then he wanted a national standard set , then he wanted to the States to do it. All the while lying through his teeth that "everybody wanted Roe vs Wade overturned".

Fundamentally , he doesn't give a f*ck about it and keeps trying to find something, anything that will stop him losing voters over the Abortion issue that he proudly created.

No one and I mean no one believes that Trump has any firmly held beliefs here and that he will simply do whatever is easiest for him , which if he's in Office with a GOP controlled Congress will be to sign a Federal Abortion ban when they put it on his desk. He won't fight them on it , because he doesn't really care one way or the other.

Trumps "word" is utterly worthless

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628969#Comment_122628969

You asked for some people on the other side of the media line. I have given you some. The MSM is primarily left and Democrat leaning so you will not see right leaning media.

For example David Muir (the debate guy) has provided 95% positive coverage for Kamala and 85% negative coverage for Trump. How is that impartial?

The fact that me saying you should hear both sides of the story, seems to be controversial to you. Is hugely telling.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629042#Comment_122629042

The fact that me saying you should hear both sides of the story

You will rarely if ever get them from the edgelords and grifters who you are parroting.

You will get a narrative, whether that narrative is based on reality or not is not important to that target audience. i.e. You.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628878#Comment_122628878

"Both sides blah blah blah". How anyone can honestly claim the content and rhetoric coming from the democrats is anywhere near as bat sh*t as the MAGA crowd and their leader no matter how bad they believe the democrats candidates and policies are is deluded

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629025#Comment_122629025

My point is that Trump has been an International public figure for 20/30 years and he has ALWAYS been an objectionable arsehole. He didn't become one recently , he has always been an awful human being.

And no , he isn't a story teller , he is Dunning-Kruger made flesh.

He thinks he's always the smartest person in the room when he pretty much never is (unless he's alone with Eric).

He has no interest in learning about things because he is utterly convinced he already knows everything which is why he rambles and makes no sense because he starts to talk about a topic he knows absolutely nothing about but can't shut his mouth, so he fill the space with ridiculous non-sequiturs that aren't remotely connected.

The only people that are taken in by his "story-telling" are the equally uninformed.

The cognitive dissonance in the Statement "You are a prime target for the Democrat cult" is frankly staggering.

There is only one cult in US politics and it ain't the Democrats.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628962#Comment_122628962

Project 2025 - his VP nomination wrote the foreword. But but but Donald said 😂. You are beyond a parody

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629042#Comment_122629042

I find the better commentators are ones that are aware of there being "2 movies on 1 screen" and are prepared to criticize both sides or point out bad arguments on both sides

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629042#Comment_122629042

Reality is what should be reported and the reality of Trump is he is a cheat, a liar, a fraud, and sexual abuser, a convict etc etc etc. Should all that be ignored?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629033#Comment_122629033

Fine people on both sides - has been debunked!!! I provided the actual video here in this thread yesterday. There is no dog whistling. It is a lie

The Bloodbath comment again is a lie.

The project 2025 stuff. He claims he hasnt read it and doesnt support it. It doesnt matter if you believe him or not. He denied it so it is something that is supposed to be fact checked. Its liek me saying that you like eating watermelons. You might say "no I dont" but I then say "but you once worked with someone who now sells watermelons". Thats not proof. The person who was in charge of project 2025 (the campaign behind it) resigned a couple of weeks ago. It is not something that has ever been in play. It wasnt even written for Trump!!! It was written with Ron DeSantis in mind.

Abortion he has said that many people are talking about timeframes of around 15 weeks but he thinks he should be higher. But ultimately it should be upto the states. I agree it should be upto the states. There has to be a cut off point and WVR didnt have that.

All of the points you are making do not excuse the lack of Fact Checking Kamala Harris on all of these things. You can say he is lying but it has to be pointed out if he denied it already.

Just look at your post. You repeated the very fine people and the bloodbath stuff. You seem to think he actually said those things. Thats not a criticism of you. But that is just pointing out that if you repeat lies enough, then people will think its Trump thats lying. But he didnt say those things. He is not the one lying.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629060#Comment_122629060

You will get a narrative yes. Which is why I said you need to see the other sides narrative also. Its called getting both sides. In fact it was the way journalism used to work.

Where do you get your news?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629042#Comment_122629042

For example David Muir (the debate guy) has provided 95% positive coverage for Kamala and 85% negative coverage for Trump. How is that impartial?

No idea where you got that stat from , but it doesn't really matter

Is it "impartial" if it's accurate?

Do you want people to say nice things about Trump for "balance" even though they might not be true?

In an Irish context , should the media here produce a few soft-focus puff pieces on Justin Barrett to balance out his rampant fascism and misogyny?

You know , to show they are impartial?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629114#Comment_122629114

it is always the plea of MAGA.

Why should Trump face any consequences of his own actions?
Why should Trump not be given the benefit of the doubt?

As John Stewart says - all they claim is the position of the perpetual victim.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629102#Comment_122629102

I don't form an opinion from someone's narrative, I normally use evidence and facts.

That is how journalism still works.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629062#Comment_122629062

Really?

When is the last time an actor assassinated a president - Johnny Depp

Holding severed heads resembling Trump - Kathy Griffin

Wanting to blow up the white house - Madonna (when Trump was president)

Snoop Dogg having a music video where Trump gets shot

De Niro saying he wanted to "Punch him in the face"

Carole Cook "where is John Wilkes Booth when you need him?"

Griffin Dunne referencing a potential assassination of Trump

Now tell me one. Just one person who is a Pro Trumper, who has ever said they wanted to cause harm to Biden or Harris

Podge_irl

I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen videos posted of Harris answering a question with comments about how she is clearly incapable of speaking and is nonsensical and clearly unqualified for the role only to actually watch the video (something most of them presumably don’t bother doing) and hear a perfectly cogent answer.
I can’t tell if they are disingenuous are genuinely that lacking in basic comprehension skills. But the idea that the debate performance was some massive outlier and she’s normally an incoherent wreck is completely and utterly made up garbage.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629188#Comment_122629188

Just one you say? Well I'm going to pick the criminal wearing stripes holding a $ sign bag and eye mask:

According to the FBI's affidavit, Robertson was a self-described “MAGA Trumper,” who was spotted during FBI surveillance wearing a hat emblazoned with the word “Trump” and attired in the quintessential Trump costume of blue suit, white shirt and red tie. While emulating a former president’s attire isn’t criminal, threatening to kill his enemies certainly is.

Utah man killed by FBI joins a growing list of people willing to die for Trump (msnbc.com)

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629188#Comment_122629188

When is the last time an actor assassinated a president - Johnny Depp

I feel this is something that would have made the news, have you a link?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629188#Comment_122629188

Off the top of my head, Elon Musk

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629188#Comment_122629188

Earlier I pointed to how E Jean Carroll and public officials have faced numerous death threats as a result of Trump's comments. Elon Musk and John Schneider both made remarks about killing Biden. The director of the FBI warned about the escalation in violent threats etc after Trump's home was raided. So there's plenty to choose from...

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-nebraska-omaha-christopher-wray-c4321830fd11e845851d8036b0e0a3fe

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/dukes-hazzard-actor-john-schneider-biden-execution

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/tennessee-man-charged-threats-biden-harris-obama-rcna168073

https://kansasreflector.com/briefs/wichita-man-who-threatened-to-kill-president-biden-sentenced-to-21-months-in-jail/

https://apnews.com/article/utah-biden-fbi-assassination-threat-ba3cc1d3b2f6cca8bd429febdcf04219

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-man-arrested-biden-threats/

Snake Plisken

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628797#Comment_122628797

It was pretty obvious it was 3 vs 1 in that debate, she deflected from answering most of the questions and was left away with it, Trump's failing was he fell into the trap of her baiting him and he fell for it, anyway this is a good summary of her lies and false statements

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1833871207114084380?t=RazHlHBYKaOHaXvGntFWYg&s=19

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629094#Comment_122629094

Just look at your post. You repeated the very fine people and the bloodbath stuff. You seem to think he actually said those things. Thats not a criticism of you. But that is just pointing out that if you repeat lies enough, then people will think its Trump thats lying. But he didnt say those things. He is not the one lying.

He DID say those words.

The discussion/debate is about what he meant by them.

The general consensus outside of MAGA world is that he was dog-whistling to the part of his base that would be amenable to the views of those Charlotte marchers . He equivocated and fluffed to leave sufficient ambiguity so that his voters could think "well obviously he wasn't talking about me".

As I said before exactly the same ambiguous equivocation with his "stand back and stand by" when asked about the Proud Boys and his "I don't know anything about QANON but they really like me ,which is nice".

No clear condemnation , no clear distancing himself from them - Just ambiguous language that allows him and his flacks the ability to bend in the appropriate direction depending on the audience.

The same applies to the Bloodbath statement - Ambiguous language that facilitates interpretation in many different ways , depending on the audience thereby ensuring that he keeps the far fringes of his base onside.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628978#Comment_122628978

You posted this in the context of Trump's attempt to somehow blame Biden and Harris for the assassination attempts. Your statement is totally daft. Are you implying that somehow Trump's speeches may have lead to assassination attempts? I don't knw, I wouldn't be all that surprised, and most important I would always condemn such attempts withour reservation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629114#Comment_122629114

My apologies the stats are wrong

It was

100% positive Kamala

93% negative for Trump

https://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2024/09/09/100-abc-debate-moderator-david-muir-hosts-most-pro-harris-left-wing

Point of note. The founder of MRC who gave these stats, is an outspoken critic of Trump and has been for the last decade. He has zero reason to give Trump any endorsement.

Im not saying that there should be nice things said for balance. But do you think there is zero negative things to be said regarding Harris? Her brother in law embezzling billions of tax payer dollars isnt a story? Her staunch defence of Biden? Her poor record as VP?

Likewise there is no positive stories about Trump? Not one

One for example
His efforts to counter China. During his presidency, Trump imposed strict regulations on Chinese technology firms, such as Huawei, to protect U.S. interests. His administration also introduced measures to prevent China from acquiring advanced U.S. technologies like semiconductors, and he engaged with Uyghur representatives to address human rights abuses in China.

Furthermore, Trump was credited for negotiating a significant agreement with China to classify fentanyl as a controlled substance, addressing the opioid crisis in the U.S. He also took a tough stance on China's territorial claims in the South China Sea, which resonated well with those favoring a hardline foreign policy approach toward Beijing.

These efforts to curb China's influence and protect U.S. interests have been highlighted as key parts of his foreign policy legacy

Another

In 2023, he contributed $1 million to a fund supporting victims of Hurricane Idalia in Florida. The donation was used to help rebuild homes and support families affected by the disaster. This act of philanthropy was widely covered in the media as a gesture of support for those in need during a time of crisis.

But 93% negative coverage and that doesnt mean the other 7% was positive

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629094#Comment_122629094

American politics is fun to watch just for the bad arguments that pass as political discussion , how dumb are people to allow themselves to be fooled by such low level insane hallucinations that depend on either, mind reading, "Rupars" or the use of language that doesnt represent how people speak.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628962#Comment_122628962

Trump just denying something does not make it a fact that he doesn't support something.

Several of those involved with Project 25 have advised him, and worked for him.

Trump said that he was responsible for creating the situation where the supreme court was able to restrict abortion

If you think Harris literally lied, you need to learn what the words 'literally' or 'lie' actually mean.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629179#Comment_122629179

And where do you get your evidence and facts from?

Because that what news is. News is ALWAYS someones narrative. Thats literally what a news report is these days.

The only way to avoid it would be to go and look for every news yourself. How did you find out about the assassination attempt? Did you see it on the news or did you go and look for the evidence and witness testimonies for yourself?

So where do you get your news from?

The BBC reported the assassination attempt as "Trump wasnt able to finish his round of golf".

CNN reported the first assassination attempt as "Trump falls over"

Its ALL Narative

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629261#Comment_122629261

Sample from their homepage, on top of that one of his family went to jail for the Capitol riots... 😂 The site is extraordinarily pro Trump and the fact you can't produce some unbiased resources says a lot.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/conservative-scion-brent-bozell-iv-sentenced-jan-6-case-rcna151150

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629235#Comment_122629235

I like the way you copied and pasted it to look like he was about to do something

"FBI agents shot and killed a man in his home in Provo as they were serving an arrest warrant."

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629188#Comment_122629188

Sure..

Now granted , all the Trump supporting "celebs are fairly Z-list but still , John Schneider (Duke of Hazzard)said Biden should be executed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629259#Comment_122629259

I posted that in context of

The Biden Harris rhetoric has led to two assassination attempts. Others arrested over the last couple of years for similar threats. It has led to an innocent person being killed. Two attempts on Trumps life because of the lies being said.

There has been no assassination attempt because of what Trump has said.

duploelabs

Funny how a lot of the time now spent here is on refuting unverified absolute steaming horsesh!t, plopped here to waste oxygen and nothing more. These posters aren't acting in good faith and would rather if we spent our time calling out their bullsh!t rather than discussing the matters at hand like policy or the fiasco at Arlington or the supposed assassination attempt (that wasn't really one).

Tldr don't feed the trolls

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628575#Comment_122628575

"LOOMER IS FINE"

Do you really believe this????????

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629261#Comment_122629261

Honestly, you shouldn't be taking anything MRC outputs seriously, it's daily mail level "facts" with very little actual facts and really just designed to make conservatives angry at the world.

They have multiple stories on the pet eating claims with 0 actual facts to back up what trump and vance said but lots of anger about the media pointing out how baseless and stupid it was.

I'm not surprised the founder dislikes trump as trump makes conservatives look very stupid and dumb undoing the work of MRC.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629327#Comment_122629327

Trumps lies about foreigners eating pets have led to bomb threats. You won't acknowledge this. Trump supports just edit that out of reality so they can be offended.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629261#Comment_122629261

Just on the stuff about Tony West.

Those are more online only allegations from MAGA types , even the likes of Fox and NewMax won't touch them because they are a complete fabrication.

They are not True, at all.

You really need to think a bit more deeply before sharing random nonsense from the Internet.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629332#Comment_122629332

Each argument is systematically torn apart in multiple different ways, only the most die-hard maga loons would take it seriously and they're already lost to the world.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629292#Comment_122629292

He was shot and killed because he pointed a revolver at FBI agents. He very much so was a credible danger and threatened both Bragg and the sitting president. He referred to an AR-15 as his "Democrat eradicator". Quote from truth social below but apparently not motivated by Trump etc. But you're downplaying it? Irony strikes again!

Heading to New York to fulfill my dream of iradicating [sic] another of George Soros two-but [sic] political hach [sic] DAs. I'll be waiting in the courthouse parking garage with my suppressed Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm to smoke a radical fool prosecutor that should never have been elected. I want to stand over Bragg and put a nice hole in his forehead with my 9mm and watch him twitch as a drop of blood oozes from the hole as his life ebbs away to hell!!

BYE, BYE, TO ANOTHER CORRUPT BASTARD!!!

— Craig Robertson

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Craig_DeLeeuw_Robertson

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629292#Comment_122629292

You asked for a threat to the president, I picked a MAGA Trumper who threatened the president, opening paragraph:

According to FBI documents, the man had threatened to kill the president and other government officials, most of whom he apparently believed to be mistreating former President Donald Trump.

Do you withdraw your claim now that one person threatening Biden/Harris has been supplied? Or was that just hot air?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629252#Comment_122629252

Again no it was debunked. You are doing it again. This is not about ambiguous language. This is about misreporting and lies.

Actual quotes:

"you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides"

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."

Bloodbath also debunked

“Biden’s policies will create an economic bloodbath for the auto industry and autoworkers.”

“If you’re listening, President Xi — and you and I are friends — but he understands the way I deal. Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now … you’re going to not hire Americans and you’re going to sell the cars to us, no. We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected,”

“Now if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it,”

“It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories.”

Both statements have been deliberately misrepresented. Nowhere does he say there will be violence if he doesnt get re-elected. Nowhere does he say neo nazis are fine people. Its been debunked but people seem to keep repeating it and saying "he is lying". No, you are repeating a lie.