Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629275#Comment_122629275

I watched the press conference from the multiple agencies dealing with it.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628912#Comment_122628912

but there was a refusal to believe he was in total cognitive decline

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628557#Comment_122628557

uh yeah, this is the first I’m hearing of this asspull myself. Desperate breakfasts.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629251#Comment_122629251

Agreed that he should have handled the whole debate differently. Ben Shapiro made a great point that he literally should have just replied to every answer she gave as "why havent you done it. You are in office right now. Why havent you done it?"

He needs to stay away from all the baiting and name calling. The pet eating stuff makes great headlines but it is irrelevant and takes away from the issues people actually care about. Illegal immigration is an issue. Kamala was in charge of figuring it out and she didnt do it. Instead now she wants to build a wall……………. In 8 years she will start talking about immigrants eating pets.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629386#Comment_122629386

Because it wasn't particularly concerning until the debate. Also those people frequently claimed he is senile which there is feck all proof for.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629374#Comment_122629374

Also he'd explicitly made targets of people like Bragg who Trump has constantly attacked. Same thing happened with E Jean Carroll etc.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629386#Comment_122629386

I dunno, his interactions since the debate have been fine, putin name calling aside, I said it was a bridge too far for Joe after the debate but total cognitive decline is really over-egging it. He doesn't look good beside someone like trump who babbles incoherently but appears to be active, so the game was up.

trumps issue is that everything levelled at biden (being slow, senile, unable to handle stairs) now applies to him without any counter.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628756#Comment_122628756

is it a tactic to make hyperbolic claims without supplying any evidence for them?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629394#Comment_122629394

Sorry, but to most it is kind of a big deal that a presidential candidate lied and made a racist claim.

That lie has resulted in bomb threats.

It's very relevant. You guys seem very very desperate to avoid the issue.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629440#Comment_122629440

In fairness, he still claims the pet kidnappers are a thing...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629274#Comment_122629274

Harris - If Trump gets elected he will bring in a national abortion ban

Factcheck - He has never said that and has denied he would do it

Harris - If Trump gets elected he will bring project 2025

Factcheck - He has never said that and has denied he would do it

Harris - If Trump gets elected he will bring project 2025

Factcheck - He literally just denied it again

Project 2025 was written by people who work in politics who want to keep working in politics. They worked for him because they work in politics. When he is no longer here they will still want to work in politics.

Project 2025 is a paper. A very long boring paper that most who talk about it havent read a single work in it. It was commissioned by some org associated with the reps. The do fund raising and I cant think if their name right now. Could google it but not going to as it doenst matter. The idea was that the rep party needed to start planning for the future. It was lacking direction and there was (still is) huge division in the party.

It was a list of suggestions on what the government should do once they are elected. Some of it contains stuff that both dems and reps would actually do anyway. Some of it contains stuff that moreso reps would do. Some of it contains stuff that Trump would do. Then most of it is ideas on what things could be implemented. Some of them are probably ok ideas. Such as reducing the amount of red tape on new businesses etc. Other things would be extreme stuff like getting rid of government oversight on schools. But by in large this is just a book of ideas. Thats all. It was not commissioned by Trump. I believe him when he said he didnt read it and doesnt want to. It is over 900 pages. Does anyone think Trump listens to anyone (not saying its a good thing). Why would he read a 900 page book on someone elses ideas?

Way more than several people involved, worked for Trump. But as I said, these are career people who would be working for Haley if it was her in charge. They would be working for whoever is in charge because its not loyalty and closeness to Trump. It is their jobs.

When Harris said he fully backs project 2025 even though he denied it. That is a lie

When Harris said he supports a national abortion ban even though he denied it. That is a lie

When she mentioned the misquotes on "Very fine people" and "Bloodbath" they were lies.

Maybe you need to start taking your own advice on learning the what Lie means

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629457#Comment_122629457

He also denied raw dogging a pawn star?

You seem to think anything Trump says is a fact.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629452#Comment_122629452

See more stuff which has been debunked.

The bomb threats came from abroad. They were not made in America so why would they be influenced by what Trump said?

The only thing being avoided here is the fact that Biden/Harris rubbish has killed someone and resulted in two assassination attempts on Trump

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628978#Comment_122628978

delusional.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Paul_Pelosi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629473#Comment_122629473

Firstly who cares what he did with a porn star?

Secondly, you can only take what people say as fact.

Harris - "Trump wants to bring in a national abortion plan"

Trump - "No I dont"

So your logic is what she is saying has a higher chance of being true despite her needing to read his mind to determine that he is lying.

How about the fact that many claim Harris back sex change ops for illegal immigrants caught at the border.

Harris says she doesnt.

So do we believe her or are we not believing her because she has claimed to be in favour of it in the past?

When it comes to what a person will or wont do, what they say is the primary source. What THEY say is the ONLY credible intel.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629457#Comment_122629457

When you talk bollix without citation, means it can be dismissed as bollocks, even if you used the term 'fact check' doesnt mean it's fact checked

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629520#Comment_122629520

Slow down. We will get there.

Trump denied he raw dogged a porn star.

So following your logic, he never did and that is a fact.

Can you even see the penny?

Quin_Dub

It's interesting to watch the acceleration of the "centrist poster evolution" in these threads lately.

A few months ago we'd get a new "centrist" poster who would opine about how "both sides were bad" and how balance was needed and so on.

They would usually take a few weeks and a couple of dozen posts to devolve into full on MAGA Trumpers.

Now though , the "Centrists" are barely lasting the day before their MAGA alter ego takes over.

With only 6/7 weeks left to the Election , I guess they don't have time to bed down the centrist street cred before the shift to full throated MAGA.

Saves us time I guess , but unsure why they still bother with the flaccid initial attempts at "common sense" neutrality anymore.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629515#Comment_122629515

You mean the guy who was a far left Green party member? see how that works?

Biden/Harris has gotten someone killed mate. Two assassination attempts in a few weeks.

What did Trump say about Pelosi's husband to get him attacked? Because Biden/Harris has said that Trump is a threat to the nation. Thats what got him shot.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629491#Comment_122629491

We don't need to avoid anything when you are just making stuff up, or dumping MAGA claims here without scrutiny.
It doesn't even reach the level of requiring debunking. It is nonsense from start to finish.
It is just flooding the space with fake news - a declared tactic of MAGA Republicans - something you are doing to this thread, rapidly flooding it with fake news and faux concerns, hunting for the slightest mud to sling at Democrats while giving a free pass to the objectively well documented transgressions of Republicans.

Evidence provided to support your wild claims… zero.
Evidence provided that "Biden\Harris rubbish" has killed someone… zero.
Evidence provided that it resulted in the two assassination attempts… zero.

Incredible in the same post you are posting on an Irish message board about why would any one be influenced by what Trump said… as you verbatim dump MAGA propaganda on the thread and go to bat for Republicans against Democrats.
Read that back to yourself.
You're not fooling anyone.

If you have any credible coherent argument, you wouldn't have to resort to this nonsense.

Are you trying to out beat Trump's record to see who can dump more pro-Republican anti-Democrat fake news in a short space of time?
He was tracked at 4 lies a minute in one debate.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629272#Comment_122629272

Oh dear, you seem incapable of honestly reading the actual words that Donny speaks from his holey hole.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629520#Comment_122629520

"Firstly who cares what he did with a porn star?"

That wasn't the question.

The question went to his credibility, as he denied doing it.

Any chance you could address the point being made, or is Gish gallop your "go to" reaction everytime?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629526#Comment_122629526

I wasnt fact checking. I was suggesting thats where the fact check should have taken place.

The fact that you dont even believe does fact checks says it all tbh

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629378#Comment_122629378

so who exactly were these non neonazis and non white suprematist fine people who were in a march chanting “Jews will not replace us”?

Again he may as well have been saying there are fine people at a Klan rally, just not the racists.

Cody montana

Ah jesus, not another day of this!

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629541#Comment_122629541

so no “fact check” Trump hasn’t said anything to trigger assassination attempts. Interesting.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629541#Comment_122629541

So just to clarify, you declared the unaffiliated guy as a Democrat but the green party member who also viewed the election to have been robbed(guess who said that) is not a Trump fan or motivated by his rhetoric?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629571#Comment_122629571

Ryan Routh repeated the Biden/Harris claims about Trump and then went on to try to kill him. You dont think that the rhetoric has led to the attempt on him

Paul Pelosi’s attacker repeated claims made by Trump and went on to try and kill him and Nancy, your response: 🤷🏻‍♂️

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629580#Comment_122629580

In fairness, @Redliketoast doesn't seem to view the guy who described a bullet in Alvin Bragg's head to be a danger... He seems to very creative in terms of what is and isn't dangerous.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629551#Comment_122629551

When you 'fact check' you cite a source, that (for the 3rd time in 24 hours) is how it works

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629491#Comment_122629491

Oh if we're just making things up then…

But in reality, those bomb threats were real and they were actually caused by Trump's racist lie.

The fact you have to invent a conspiracy to avoid this issue just highlights your offence is purely for show.

Honestly, who do you think is falling for that?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629515#Comment_122629515

No that wasn't a threat you see. Trump supporters were just setting up a frame to display a banner. They just needed a good strong base for it.

And the noose was just to hoist the banner up you see. Turns out that a lot of Trump supporters only know how to tie nooses for some reason…

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122627019#Comment_122627019

I'll respond to you just this once. The only people in the out-of-town group were neo-Nazis and Proud Boys. Take from that, when looking at Trumps comment about there "being good people on both sides", what you want.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629571#Comment_122629571

Just today the was conspiracy theory drivel about an ABC whistle blower, you refuse to provide any credible evidence to support your wild claims which are obviously another MAGA hoax you have fallen for - obvious fake news which shouldn't be fooling anyone. Trump lost the debate to Harris, she played him like a violin, Trump supporters can't accept their cult leader lost the debate to Harris, so out come the conspiracy theories.

As for the transcripts, they prove nothing except that you have fallen for Trump talking about out both sides of his mouth. Your claims have no credibility as you have demonstrated in your posts your complete inability to subject Trump's remarks and conduct to basic scrutiny.

The very fine people comment clearly applied to neo nazis and white supremacists because the fact checks show that it who was at the rally. Trump lied about who was at the rally so he could dog whistle to them that they were very fine people. He was clearly signalling to them they could think of themselves as very fine people even after they shouted anti semitic slogans.

Let's remember that Trump no stranger to racist vomit himself, with multiple documented examples from him, his campaign, his stooge VP and wingbuts like Loomer.

Your entire line of argument has been totally discredited multiple times already and it doesn't get any more convincing given the numerous wild and false claims you have already posted to the thread.

If Routh thought that about Trump, the only person Trump can blame is himself.
So it was Trump's actions (January 6th etc) and inactions (on gun control) that led to the attempt on him.

Anybody paying attention can see Trump is a threat to US democracy and the constitution. He already tried to steal one election.

No rhetoric required from Biden and Harris, and to criticise them for their justified criticism about Trump would be to give Trump a free pass for his conduct. That would be a morally and politically bankrupt outcome.

What will the next call be? The media shouldn't have reported on Trump's attempts to subvert the election and the January 6th riots, even though they reported factually, because it might give someone a bad opinion of Trump!

If Trump's doesn't want to be called a threat to democracy he shouldn't have tried to steal an election. Blaming the Democrats for calling attention to Trump's reprehensible conduct is absurd, without merit and without foundation and just gives a free pass for such conduct.

Snake Plisken

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629602#Comment_122629602

Prove it! that i could well be some TDS lunatic on the left ringing them in so they could blame it on Trump. Let's be honest there are plenty of deranged headbanger's who hate Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629653#Comment_122629653

I have provided both video and transcript of him calling out neo mazis and white supremacists in that group. He claimed that there was also normal people demonstrating at the event. He said they were the fine people.

I have stated this multiple times and this has been debunked multiple times. At this point ignoring the facts is either incompetence or ignorance.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629669#Comment_122629669

There were no such normal people just racist scum. So yes at this point you are ignoring the facts.

Trump a racist scumbag himself was telling the racist scumbags they were fine people.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629665#Comment_122629665

"TDS lunatic"

Oh dear...…

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629665#Comment_122629665

Or, mad thought, there's a bunch of racists out there who'd believe obvious racist lies from their racist lying king.

You're welcome to prove your conspiracy theory that these bomb threats are the result of a false flag from whatever "TDS lunatics" are.

But we all know that's not something you or other Trump supporters will do.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629473#Comment_122629473

Exactly. I'm done with that poster.

They clearly take Trumps words as fact, despite the overwhelming counter evidence.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629703#Comment_122629703

I think that these types know full well that they're lying and rewriting reality. They just assume that's what everyone else is doing.

The alternative is to consider that they might be wrong. Which is not permitted.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629669#Comment_122629669

please circle which people are the fine people:

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628978#Comment_122628978

Seeing that the heated air in the presidential race has resulted in one unsuccessful assassination attempt resulting in two fatalities and one wounding of a candidate, and one apparent unsuccessful preparation for an assassination attempt on the previously wounded candidate, perhaps you might consider who could be accused of being responsible for an attempt on, or murder by way of assassination, of the other candidate, with Trump sounding off about candidate assassinations instead of him turning the temperature down to unwind a certain class of unsettled people.

Trump has complained about the democrats being responsible for the unsuccessful attempt because they have used "target" expressions in their campaign Ads against him. Over to you, with you keeping in mind I will not respond except for a read of your response.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629561#Comment_122629561

I had logging in this morning and saw 100+ posts thinking; "Oooo, what important thing happened?"

And then I opened the thread and I was like "Oh…..god damn it….*this* again"

Alas, this is pretty much a microcosm of what regular everyday Americans have had to put up with for years and alas also likely for a good few years to come. Any attempt to discuss actual constuctive politics will be railroaded by contrarians who insist that fiction is reality and their horrendious life-choices are somehow the path to an enriching & healthy life. This is what MAGA does to America, and this is also what MAGA does to our own attempts here to discuss American politics.

Just like our American cousins, I feel that we must also continue to champion the value of truth against those who would rather serve the facist whims of a select group of people and spread falsehoods while they gleefully do it.

odyssey06

And those fine people in the images in Overheals post are Trumps audience for...

Racist Nazi esque drivel about immigrants poisoning the blood of the nation.

Racist drivel about immigrants stealing and eating pets.

And objectively this is racist drivel when Trump campaign shares images of these immigrants... always people of color.

Objectively they are lies admitted on TV by Trumps cowardly corporate fascist stooge JD Vance.

A racist lying fascist scumbag reaching out to his base.

Shoog

So whats the MAGA talking point today, is it that Trump ACED the debate or is it that the debate was rigged against Trump.

Last time I looked Trump claimed to have won biggly, and of course we are supposed to take everything he says as gospel.

Its hard to keep up.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629743#Comment_122629743

But it's fine for Trump to rile up these people and use inflammatory language that targets specific people. Cause nazis never do violence.

And all of the instances of violence are all just false flags anyway.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629327#Comment_122629327

"There has been no assassination attempty because of what Trump has said" Yes, true as far as we know. But this is despite the inflammatory language coming from Trump and others (Communist Kamala, Fascist Kamala, etc).

Kamala Harris, Tim Walz and Joe Biden have all been forthright in their disdain for Trump an all he stands for. But have they said anything which is remotely as provocative as the language used by Trump?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629746#Comment_122629746

Very unfair of you to bring up MAGA memory holing the debate like that. You must suffer the same amnesia that seems to have inflicted them in the interests of fairness and balance.

Its almost as if... when you lie as often as Trump does you will inevitably trip over your own lies.

Almost.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629746#Comment_122629746

Trump is "surprised" that Harris was able to answer the questions so easily. It seems he never heard of preparation for an exam.

Marge has walked back claiming that the channel rigged the debate by giving Harris the questions in advance after the man who "leaked" the fix memo died in a car crash.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122629732#Comment_122629732

And all of it is Gish gallop with the primary purpose to whine and complain about Trump’s debate performance.

fact check: even if Trump was on stage against 10 moderators and a round table of fact checkers and Kamala Harris had been there with a comically large pair of headphones on feeding her the answers, he still would’ve done the most damage to himself in that debate, and that’s exactly what happens near the end of the debate when given a softball question about his plan to repeal and replace the affordable care act, He answered to say he has quote “concepts of a plan” - which is to say after nine years of allegedly campaigning on replacing the affordable care act it still hasn’t been important enough to him to even flesh out what that would look like.

Nine years hell he has spent a solid two or three years of that just golfing if you do the math.

And he rushed out the tax cut act when he got into the office. He was quick to nod his head when someone proposed operation warp speed to him, yet for the seminal piece of his agenda that he sought to accomplish when he came down the escalator in 2015, he is still in pre-phase A!

At least when Obama campaigned on the affordable care act in 2007 and 2008, he knew exactly what it should look like and he was happy to explain it in detail to anyone who would listen. And then he signed it within his first 14 months in office (albeit butchered in part by republicans). Three years from campaigning on it to getting it done Trump has had three times that amount of time and he is still in the concepts plural phase.

For millions of cultists watching, who have been on board with him every step of the way and fully behind the belief that he would repeal and replace Obamacare, you’ve really gotta admit that had to be a gut punch to their fragile sense of reality.