Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Tell me how

I said a couple months ago that this whole campaign was like a TV series with Biden pulling out, the assassination attempt, Harris hitting the ground running. And I said I didn't think we'd get to the election without other 'bombshell' moments.

Yesterday was another TV series type day. The Robinson news, the RFK news, the Gaetz news, all show the GOP campaign just an absolute mess of poor morals, lying, lack of dignity, leadership. It was so bad, that in the middle of it, Trump telling a room full of Jews that if he loses, they'll have something to do with it was relegate to lower level news.

Harris would be better off if the Election was Oct 5th at this point.

Raoul Duke III

Actual Nazis are rushing to disassociate themselves from Mark Robinson.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122634671#Comment_122634671

Umm, that could bring things to a sudden halt if his congregation kicked him out as a sinner.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122634783#Comment_122634783

Why would he lose NC just because one of his lackys was forced to quit his post. People aren't going to change their mind on Trump for something like that. Don junior could stand in Time square sticking bananas up his arse and Trumps supporters wouldn't blink. Can't see how this has any effect on the election results.

Such a fcuked up country, nothing can save it at this point.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635708#Comment_122635708

Polling suggests a possible lean to Harris and the Dems in NC. The state may have gone from "Leans Red" to "Toss up".

The lacky in question just adds to this.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635708#Comment_122635708

We're not looking for a polirical earthquake here. As you rightly point out, that is highly unlikely.

Movement at the margins will do just fine.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635752#Comment_122635752

The margins are super tight so if a few GOP leaning voters stay home because of Robinson impacting Trump or indeed if a few more Stein voters are motivated to come out for the same reasons that benefits Harris.

It's crazy that these races are so close at all given the utter moral bankruptcy of these people.

I mean I get that they only have 2 choices - GOP or Dem and they have to chose one of them but that's where the Primaries come in.

Stop picking absolute scum-bags to be your candidates!!!

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635818#Comment_122635818

Scum-bags are the ones happiest to bend the knee and we all know that this is whats required…

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635708#Comment_122635708

It's not about the terminally stupid switching their votes.

It's about people getting out and voting for Harris who may be apathetic. Or maybe swinging the odd undecided.

If he stays in the race (which I doubt) people will vote for peeping Tom Nazi regardless.

It's about applying negativity to Trump through who he admires and associates with.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635818#Comment_122635818

Also very hard to know just what aspects people believe in terms of the absolute obvious lies coming out of Trump. I’m starting to think outwardly many pretend it’s all true (cat eating etc) but in reality, they know it’s not- but in reality, they don’t care- this is a game- Rep vs Dem- doesn’t matter who the candidates are- doesn’t matter what they’ve done or said - the goal is a Republican president- doesn’t matter if he’s a cross between Jack the Ripper and Homer Simpson . It’s not every republicans approach but it’s a lot - but granted there are also many that swallow his bull completely -

When you start to look at it that way, the closeness of the election makes more sense - it’s then down to just how many on each side turn out to vote and where.
But its a terrible reflection on Republican voters - and the Democrat voters aren’t getting away without criticism either - Shirley Harris should be miles ahead given her opponent - that obviously means some Democrats are believing what Trump is saying - that’s probably even more scary

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635845#Comment_122635845

I get what you mean , but I'm talking about the voters.

Trump will push for his "guy" to run the primary and be picked , but the actual voters have the opportunity to say no and vote for an alternative.

Robinson got 65% of the vote in the primaries , so they WANTED him to be their guy despite everything that everybody already knew about him.

The reality is that a significant majority of GOP voters WANT people like this to be their representatives.

They want hateful thugs to represent them and that is frankly really disturbing.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635871#Comment_122635871

The entire party is under the control of Trump. It should actually rebrand as 'The Trump Tribe'; it would be more accurate.

The upside of this is that it lends itself to wildly unsuitable candidates being selected, purely on the basis of fealty to Trump. We know he's a complete sucker for flattery and obesiance.

See: Kari Lake!

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635871#Comment_122635871

its incredibly sad when "owning the libs" is the strongest policy a conservative politician can have to get elected.

Greengrass53

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635708#Comment_122635708

A fucked country that directly and indirectly provides 370,000 jobs for us here.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635708#Comment_122635708

Might be more a case of the ordinary voter being concerned by the kind of person Robinson is and him remaining the candidate and Trump endorsing him so strongly.

Boggles

Hilarious. Just asking questions.

Will that time Harris twitted thanking Diddy for a zoom meeting during the pandemic effect her chances?

Cue 200 pictures of Diddy and Donald.

Silence……….

😁

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635913#Comment_122635913

It's always amusing how this strategy falls flat in any democratic system. It's often seen in autocracies where officials are selected by a national leader, even when there's a veneer of democracy

In the case of the US, Trump's support for a candidate doesn't necessarily translate into votes. It seems his base will rush out to defend and vote for him but aren't willing to do the same for his lackeys

On the flip side, it's pretty much impossible for the career ending stupidity demonstrated by much of his subordinates to negatively affect Trump. He just seems to shrug it off and move on

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636054#Comment_122636054

Trump never accepts responsibility for anything remotely negative. He's genetically incapable of it.

How many House,Senate and State level seats has he cost the GOP at this stage where his insistence on one of his boot-lickers being nominated in a Swing vote area has ended in defeat?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635866#Comment_122635866

But its a terrible reflection on Republican voters - and the Democrat voters aren’t getting away without criticism either - Shirley Harris should be miles ahead given her opponent 

I think its more a sign of how entrenched people are as a consequence of the 2 party system.

It leads to polarization and a 'you're either with us or agin us' type mentality that makes it harder to change. If there were 3, 4 viable party options, people would be more fluid because it wouldn't be so immediately obvious that they changed.

Politics in the US more than anywhere maybe is tribal, people take on the persona of their party rather than look for a party that matches their persona, if you know what I mean.

It is off the charts crazy that Trump is a contender. He is completely, demonstrably unfit for the role. He was in 2016, the US and the rest of us suffered the consequences and he did so many things after 2020 to prove his unsuitability and he's even worse now. But he is, because of the system and because McCarthy, McConnell and Graham rolled over and let him take it over.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636158#Comment_122636158

There have been rumblings that the Republican party have been headed in this direction throughout its modern history. Trump was just the enabler of where the party really wanted to go. Its been at least 50years getting to this point and so Trump is just a symptom of a deep seated racial and religious divide that goes back to the first civil war. Demographics means that this has come to a head because this is the last point in history where a white protestant demographic could impose their will onto the multicultural nation. The whole culture wars thing cuts to the very core of what has happened in America - it looks mad from the outside but it is the very essence of what is happening.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636081#Comment_122636081

True, it's yet another characteristic he shares with autocrats is that he'll always shift blame away from himself.

While it's rare to see politicians standing up and taking full responsibility individually, there is still a sense that they'll recognise when they could be doing better

Trump can't do this because that would mean he'd have to accept he's capable of making mistakes

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636184#Comment_122636184

I'm not sure how far back it goes but I do agree that the current state of American politics is the natural end state of decades of partisan politics

Look back to the Obama era and the prophecies of doom coming from the republicans should he win the presidency

Look at the history of the republicans filibustering bills in the senate and forcing government shutdowns simply to hamstring the democrats without any regard to the damage they're causing

As I've said, when there's only two parties and they both have roughly 50% of the electorate on their side then there's no real incentive to work with the opposition

In fact there's a strong drive to become more entrenched so as to ensure none of your voter base starts thinking of changing sides

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636370#Comment_122636370

It's a strange dichotomy: their system is self-evidently broken yet so finely balanced that there is little incentive to change it.

briany

Still razor thin margins, but if we were to take the RCP averages as the outcome, Harris would clinch the White House. Now, if you look at the map up top, I've been charitable to Trump and given him Nevada as well, since Harris only leads there by .2 in this averaged poll. Harris still wins, but the squeaker gets squeakier still.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636158#Comment_122636158

because of the system and because McCarthy, McConnell and Graham rolled over and let him take it over.

They did and they didn't.

Immediately after Jan 6th all of the above were laying ALL the blame at Trumps feet , however as soon as they took a quick straw poll of the mood of THEIR supporters , they moved back to cover for him.

Trump gained total control of the GOP not just because of weak-willed sycophants within the party but also because a majority of GOP voters wanted him to be in charge.

Had that "pulse check" carried out by the GOP Grandees in the days after January 6th showed that the "base" no longer aligned with Trump , he would have been impeached in a heartbeat , but once they saw that support for Trump was essential to their own personal survival because their voters wanted him, that was that.

Trump exists today in part because most of the GOP elected representatives care more about their personal careers than anything else , but the single biggest reasons he still exists is because a majority of GOP voters want him to be their leader.

As terrifying as it is to most of us when they look at Trump , they like what they see.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636411#Comment_122636411

Well therein lies the flaw of asking the people in power to change the system that put them there. Why would they take that risk?

Overall there's probably more incentive for the Democrats to shake things up given the electoral college frequently favours the Republicans

It would also be a gargantuan undertaking politically and neither side likely has the political capital to make it happen

Ironically I suspect the average American would be more interested in a political shake up than is often portrayed in the media.

There seems to be a lot of voters out there who feel disenfranchised because they live in a safe red or blue state. Or voters who feel neither party represents their views would benefit from a multi party system

Patser

DJT Media down almost $1, now below €14/share in premarket trading - considering that's only European and Asian markets that wouldn't have that much shares to sell, that's incredibly high fall off.

US markets open in an hour, and this is the day the big startup shareholders can finally sell, it'll be very interesting to see how the price holds up

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636574#Comment_122636574

Until Trump and the other "preferred" shareholders start trading , there's a tiny amount of shares actually in the open market.

75%+ is held by those restricted groups so part of what's held the price up for so long is the scarcity of shares to trade.

Based on actual fundamentals and removing all the "meme-stock" factor, it's worth probably $2 on a good day so it has a long way to fall yet.

notsoobtuse

A truly sad state of affairs that we have to wait until a border chief retires, out of fear of reprisals from the Biden/Harris administration, to inform the nation of the serious threats coming into the country due to the lack of border security orchestrated by our current leaders, whose job it was to protect us.

Retired border chief Aaron Heitke in testimony before Congress said he was instructed by the Biden administration to not publicize arrests of illegal border crossers identified as “Significant Interest Aliens” (SIA) with ties to terrorism.

Prior to the Biden-Harris administration, their sector averaged 10 to 15 SIAs a year. He testified that “Once word was out that the border was far easier to cross, San Diego went to over 100 SIAs in 2022, way over 100 SIAs in 2023 and more than that this year,”

He noted "The administration was trying to convince the public that there was no threat at the border” (Lying to the nations is more like it. He said as a result of the Biden/Harris administration’s orders to not have border agents protect sections of the border foreign nationals “who did not want to be caught could simply walk in.” They total at least more than 2 million since fiscal 2021.

Forget about the election. Every minute Joe Biden and Kamala Harris remain in office they continue to put our nation in danger. An emergency impeachment of both Biden and Harris should commence immediately for their intentional disregard of our laws and their duties as president and vice president, putting us all in imminent danger.

duploelabs

Jesus, it's like whackamole

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636427#Comment_122636427

 given him Nevada as well, since Harris only leads there by .2 in this averaged poll. Harris still wins, but the squeaker gets squeakier still.

And would be dependent, I believe, on her holding the Nebraska second district, which AFAIK she is on course to do.

Unles…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/19/nebraska-electoral-system-trump-win-election

hotmail.com

Harris repetition that she's a gun owner and that she would shoot anyone that broke into her home, should appeal to disillusioned Republican supporters.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636683#Comment_122636683

So…

A chief was told, "Don't publicize your arrests". Then notes that during Trumps reign, there was 10-15 a year SIA arrests, but during Biden's term, arrests of SIA's INCREASED to over a hundred.

And this is a bad thing for the democrats?

Seems to me like Trump was possibly letting quite a lot of SIA's just walk through, if you ask me. Where's the proof that there wasn't hundreds of undetected SIA's coming through?

Sounds like Biden's administration has been a lot tougher on immigration from what you're telling us.

Honest to God, only in this topsy turvy world we live in does "more arrests" = "more lenient".

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636683#Comment_122636683

So , let me understand.

A retired partisan mid-level section chief says "I wasn't allowed release sensitive information about how many more high profile people we are apprehending" .

Was he authorised to speak to the Media?

Do you think every low level team-leader should be giving classified details to the media?

Is the fact that they were stopping MORE people not a good thing??

notsoobtuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636826#Comment_122636826

I don't think you understood what he said. Due to the orders of Biden and Harris to have agents abandon sections of the border a potential 2 million Significant Interest Aliens crossed over into our country without any checks.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636847#Comment_122636847

It could be argued that the same amount crossed through under Trumps watch. He had far less arrests, after all.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636683#Comment_122636683

Are you posting from a parallel universe?

Emergency impeachment?

Yeah start with Trumps stooges in the House who nuked the bipartisan border bill in a derelection of their duties and in contradiction of the drivel they put out claiming it was a crisis.

Its just a political football so Trump can whip up racial hysteria to the racists and the ignorant.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636847#Comment_122636847

2 million? What is that based on?

And remember, despite what this single person is saying, Biden/Harris had a bipartisan bill ready and agreed to go through which would massively increase the resources available to the border. Yet, Trump called a stop to it to not let Biden/Harris have any success, making the job of catching the very people you seem concerned about easier.

So Trump, more than anyone else, put himself and his wants ahead of the needs and wants of any American that is concerned about the border.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636847#Comment_122636847

I understand that he was told to manage the resources he had in areas that were deemed to be a higher risk.

Resources I might add that the Republican party, under instruction from Trump REFUSED to provide additional funding for because he wanted to be able to continue to claim that there was a "BORDER INVASION!!!!"

It's not like there's a line of guards holding hands the entire length of the border so at any given time and possibly for extended periods of time there would be sections of the border left unguarded - And no, a wall wouldn't really help.

The fact that they arrested 10X the number of these SIAs under the current administration perhaps suggests that the tactical decisions made were more effective than the previous administration, does it not?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636699#Comment_122636699

I was thinking they were quiet today. I was going to check with data centers were experiencing power outages to see where the trolls were being hosted

I guess to save money the bots operate on US time

notsoobtuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636890#Comment_122636890

It is possible they did detain 10x times the number of SAI's under the Biden/Harris administration but per his testimony He reported he was unable to send many of the SAI’s back to their countries because of the policies of the administration and stated “I had to release illegal aliens by the hundreds each day into communities who could not support them.”

The 2 million "gotaways” was reported on by Chairman August Pluger from the House Homeland Security committee report.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636411#Comment_122636411

One could be cynical and say a two party system is the best mechanism to generate political donations

notsoobtuse

Another bit of news mostly ignored by our legacy media… you know them… the ones who pitched the faux Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense for years, and the Hunter Biden laptop story being Russian misinformation lies.

Representative Matt Gaetz just released a DHS bombshell after a meeting with them. He announced there are at least five known assassination teams in the United States that are intent on assassinating Donald Trump. One team from Iran, one from Pakistan, and one from Ukraine.

There is also concerns a mole resides within the Secret Service.

A congressman asked how these assassination teams could be in the US. Gaetz responded, explaining that there is “insufficient scrutiny to stop them from doing so.”

A whistleblower from the Secret Service also reported the security detail at the golf course broke protocol and failed to check the course adequately or they would have caught the would be assassin when he was in hiding.

I almost wonder how long it will be until the mainstream media starts accusing Trump of inciting violence by not dying in the assassination attempts.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122636991#Comment_122636991

"A whistleblower from the Secret Service also reported the security detail at the golf course broke protocol and failed to check the course adequately or they would have caught the would be assassin when he was in hiding."

They did catch the would-be assassin when he was in hiding. He never got a shot off, he was shot at by the Secret Service who spotted him during their checks.

notsoobtuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122637008#Comment_122637008

By dumb luck is my guess.

The whistleblower noted protocol requires them to put agents at the areas of vulnerability that exist around the course. They normally put people there as they've done it many times before. But they didn't this time, and the suspect lay in wait.

Still to be determined if the Secret Service even swept the perimeter before Trump took to the course. They certainly would have discovered would-be assassin laying in hiding if they had.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122637042#Comment_122637042

So first it's that they failed to their job, then when shown that they did, it's "dumb luck".

I wonder why Gaetz of all people is saying he has a whistleblower with all these attention-grabbing secrets…

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1837006699632169078

Flaneur OBrien

What a mad world we live in.

"They're arresting too many people at the border, so it shows they can't protect our borders"

"They shot at a man who was hoping to assassinate the president BEFORE the president was in his sights, so it shows they can't protect the president."

FFS. Imagine if they actually had something actually negative to talk about...

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122637008#Comment_122637008

Your issue is you like to believe in things called facts, and that is your right, but other people don't have to like it.

notsoobtuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122637069#Comment_122637069

If they did there jobs the would-be assassin would never have been laying in wait with the barrel of the SKS pointing through the fence as Trump approached.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122637105#Comment_122637105

No. No. No.

The assassin did not get a shot off.

The assassin was never within range of Trump.

Trump was never in danger.

That's secret service doing their job.