Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628618#Comment_122628618

The "affidavit" is a fantasy creation full of spelling and grammar errors with absolutely no evidence its real. Its MAGA cultists getting their excuse in advance.

And Trump is a story teller 😂. He is a raving narcissistic lunatic. A story tends to have a narrative. He is just a scattergun

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628772#Comment_122628772

So you dont want to address her lies and lack of fact checking on her?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628789#Comment_122628789

Now, why should we trust a document that purports to be an affidavit but is entirely unverified? It seems like you're simply believing in it cause it explains away why Trump performed so atrociously.

Shoog

Someone claimed that no politicians or diplomats were laughing at Trump, but here is the proof that they have been. Just one public example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z4y8OJxlK8

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628539#Comment_122628539

Ok. So he's lying then. He claims to have won it when in fact he lost it.

If he thinks these lies fool anyone other than his sheep, then he should have no issue doing another debate.

The only reason I think he isn't doing another debate is that he knows he'll lose again and all of the lies about bias just come off as childish whining.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628789#Comment_122628789

Donna Brazille sometimes contributes to ABC panels. Somehow she now controls the entire debate per MAGA cultists

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122627425#Comment_122627425

Another reason for women to put their health above that of GOP senators who do give a **** about women, regardless of what the outcome is. Ladies, it's in your lap now where it comes to the head honcho, Trump, giving the GOP its rally call.

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628793#Comment_122628793

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/viral-abc-whistleblower-affidavit-makes-shocking-claims-bill-ackman-seeks-a-probe-finds-allegations-credible-101726461942745.html

Billionaire investor

Bill Ackman reshared viral screenshots of the affidavit, tagging Disney CEO Bob Iger and calling for answers. Ackman expressed concerns, saying, "I find the allegations credible as written, particularly because the affidavit was reportedly made the day before the debate and mentions details, like Harris' smaller podium, that only became public later."

Though Ackman refrained from confirming the authenticity of the claims, he noted that they "substantively match" what unfolded during the debate, while also highlighting the moderators' silence as raising "a negative inference."

The whistleblower reportedly signed the affidavit in New York and has sent a copy to Speaker Mike Johnson, further raising the stakes as these claims are now in the hands of political leadership.

The claim is that there is secret recordings of the negotiations. IF they are real then they will come to light. Whether there is enough time for anything to happen before the election is another thing entirely.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628796#Comment_122628796

Story-teller…sure.

At his latest event - A "townhall" hosted by Sarah Huckabee-Sanders we got "stories" like this.

Trump took three questions from the audience in addition to providing lengthy monologues about relationships with foreign leaders, his rally crowd attendance and how his comments aren’t rambling but rather “genius” statements.

“What do you see as the major threats to the future of Michigan manufacturing auto worker jobs, and what will you do to eliminate those threats?” a Ford worker named Isaiah asked.

Trump began his response by saying the only major threat was hostile countries having nuclear weapons, before pivoting to President Biden’s call about the attempted assassination, global warming being “a good thing” because of more oceanfront property and a stump speech talking point that America is close to World War Three. Trump eventually said he would enact tariffs against Mexico and China and that he was meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Question - How will you help the Motor Industry?

Answer - Nuclear weapons , Joe Biden , Assassinations , Global Warming (and really NOT understanding how rising sea levels work!!) , World War 3 and "Tariffs!!!!!!!"

That's a "story" , I guess…..

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628756#Comment_122628756

There was a big difference, Harris dodged the questions - Trump actually lied is such a blatant way that no impartial moderator could ignore those lies and let them stand as statements of fact. Trump also dodged questions and got away with it - he was challenged on his overt lies.

Rawr

So Donnie's craptastic performance at the debate isn't due to him refusing to prepare properly and leaning into unverified racism-driver rumors? No! It's all down to Harris cheating in concert with those devious TV folk!

Never mind that Harris being able to answer questions was likely down to her actually practicing for the debate propery, likely with useful feedback from people who aren't Loomer, and covering a range of topics that would likely be asked.

The MAGA position is essentially the same as accusing me of cheating in the Leaving Cert because I had done a load of Past Papers or Mock Exams in preparation. This might seem like Harris had an unfair advantage, but the truth is she likely did the work needed to get ready, while Donnie did the absolute bare minimum and didn't have the benefit of useful feedback from his Yes-men.

Donnie is not even the kind of person who takes on useful feedback. You could tell when he was attempting to talk about the Economy a while back with his mini-Tic Tacs. He goes as far as sniping at the advice he was given to talk about the economy, to the point of complaining about it. Right after the first shooting he was also likely advised to be "nicer" which he then also proceeded to complain about at a rally. So even if his team had spotted an issue to fix during what little preparations he had, he would never have listened to them. That's why Harris beat him. She clearly knows how to do her homework, and prepare for the task needed of her.

Which by the way is a great quality of most adults to have…but in particular for a prospective future President.

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628831#Comment_122628831

She was chair of the DNC twice. She was a big player for the democrats. It is easy to see why she is a "contributer" at ABC. It is because she has really good connections. It would be insane to think she wouldnt know a lot of the people in Harris' wider team. But yea lets ignore the fact she cheated and lets pretend it never happened and would never happen.

Oh and lets also ignore her obsession with being anti Trump

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628844#Comment_122628844

Just because he's a billionaire, we should trust it? Provide proof that this is a real sworn affidavit from an employee of abc. Not some shitposting. The notary present etc should be able to verify that info I'm guessing. But weirdly you can't. Instead you've seen some screenshots of a document that first came to light post debate. You pointed out that it summed up how you perceived the debate, it could have easily been bullshit that was written post debate.

So overall, I think you're believing in a document that currently has no credibility behind it. A billionaire has shared it but that doesn't really mean a whole lot at all.

Also, it's a bit weird that you're resorting to the Hindustan Times as a source... So weird.

yourdeadwright

As neutral find it fascinating how people bang on about the "MAGA Cult" are the same people who pretended for years there was nothing wrong with Biden , S

So many people got thread banned from here over the past 2 to 3 years for questioning his cognitive ability & where called whack jobs for speaking about it , Yes there is obvious people in the " MAGA Cult" but there is just as many in the "Dems Cult"

In real life Both sides have massive issues & both are terrible candidates

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628789#Comment_122628789

You're delusional.

The big talking points from the debate last week was how Harris, didn't let Trump control the stage, how she made him get personal, how she showed how maleable he is, how she made him dig in to a bag of conspiracy stories.

None of which had to do with topic/answer that you are trying to both deflect to, and make out to be something it isn't with zero evidence.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628844#Comment_122628844

😂

The document is dated Sept. 9, the day before the debate. The person—whose name, address, and signature are blacked out, other than they live in “Manhattan New York”—alleges they have been with “ABC News” for over 10 years, but they have somehow observed “significant transformations in the nature of news reporting at the organization” since it was acquired by Disney in 1996.

The document also claims to have been verified by a notary public, though the document does not provide a notary seal.

Even the Gateway Pundit, a far-right website that delves into misinformation and false stories, warned its readers: “It’s clear to us that this is a complete hoax.”

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628870#Comment_122628870

Any evidence her role at ABC is anything other then a panel talking head? No, thought not.

aloyisious

Trump last night at his latest rally, near the end of the news report, is talking about one topic important to the US public and segued seamlessly into the blame game that Biden and Harris were responsible for Routh's presence at his golf course., blaming them for an assassination attempt at the course. Routh was successfully scared off by an agent firing warning shots before he could do whatever it was he had in mind, then taken alive by Police. So much for asking Trump to cool the temperature of the attempted shooting season.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628878#Comment_122628878

I'd say it's fair to call a group cultish if they're relying on some questionable screenshots and claiming it's proof of the debate being fixed. The maga lot can't accept that Trump is doing atrociously. When Biden fucked up his debate, posters on here were honest about his performance, that isn't really the same for Trump fans on here. It has to be a fix etc.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628878#Comment_122628878

Harris is the candidate for the times we live in - as long as there is a Trump, there has to be a “Harris” somewhere - it’s that simple.

Harris does need to set out her stall though and whilst she does need to pay very close attention to the swing states, equally she needs to keep the majority of the bell curve with her too by clearly outlining policy - this is what motivates this audience- not cat eating stories or such like

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628844#Comment_122628844

So , we have "screen-shots" but not a single person has confirmed that they actually have possession of the document or seen it in person.

Do you honestly think that if Mike Johnson had this in his hands on September 9th/10th that he wouldn't be ALL over the media discussing it??

That Jim Jordan and James Comer wouldn't be sending a barrage of subpoenas looking for the alleged transcripts and/or audio of these meetings?

Why hide the name of the notary public?

They could easily confirm if they did or did not notarize the document , they aren't involved in whether or not the information is true or not - They simply say "Person X wrote this and I signed it to prove that they wrote it" so they aren't subject to questioning about any matters of fact other than the signing of the document.

Every single element that would allow any kind of 3rd party validation of the actual existence of this "affidavit" has been removed from these screen-shots.

Why?

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628928#Comment_122628928

And things like this are why one side tends to be fact-checked more than the other.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628878#Comment_122628878

In most political discourse, there are no perfect sides in any debate. However we're a weird situation now where one side is openly embaracing facism and the cult of personality that usually goes with it.

The Dems are by no means perfect and you'll find many of the anti-Trump posters here echoing that, but they are not the clear danger to Western Democracy that the GOP and Trump represent.

The reason we often assign "Cult" to the MAGA side is that in order to accept thier position they must ignore reality. The reality is that Trump was never suitable for Office, before during and after the fact. MAGA people choose to ignore this and many other things, because if they were to ever examine their beliefs, they would be unable to support MAGA. Many Dems held onto Biden because the alternative seemed too horrible to consider, however many facts to the world were still open to them and most of them had no issue with supporting Harris when she became the nominee. There is no cult of personality with the Dems. Harris is their chosen champion now, but she won't be above critism forever and frankly never should be.

That it is the core difference. For MAGA, Donnie can never be wrong, especially when he is. For everyone else, he most certainly can be wrong.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628887#Comment_122628887

I have formed my own opinions.

He's a horrible human being.

When he was on the Apprentice , I saw him as the worst kind of caricature of the Boorish New Jersey used Car Salesman he really is.

When he first entered the Political Arena I saw him as the hateful , self obsessed narcissist that he really is .

And now I see him as that same self-obsessed narcissist he has always been with extra helpings of bitterness , vengeance and mental decline.

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628855#Comment_122628855

No she literally lied

She claimed he called Neo Nazis and White supremacists "Very fine people"

He specifically said that he was not talking about Neo Nazis and White supremacists who should be called out for what they were doing. He said that there are very fine people on both sides (the left and right) but specifically excluded the Neo Nazis and White supremacists.

She said that he claimed there would be a bloodbath if the election is not to his liking

He was talking about a bloodbath for the auto industry. He was talking about how if he doesnt get elected then auto plants will be lost to China and it would be a bloodbath for the country.

Kamala at the debate blamed China for being responsible for not being transparant about covid. Something she calls Trump out for.

She said that Trump supports Project 2025

He denies it and has always denied it.

She said he supports a national abortion ban

He denies it and has always denied it.

She repeated the Project 2025 stuff.

He again denied it.

These are just a couple of moments where the moderators failed to fact check Harris

johnny_ultimate

LOL at citing Bill Ackman as a main source… the man is a terminally online fanatic, in the Elon Musk tier of gullible, twitter-pilled conservative billionaires. Has a McCarthyite fervour in trying to punish anyone who speaks up against Israel's war crimes or even is insufficiently pro-Israel by his standards, hence going full MAGA. His approach seems to be using interminably long twitter posts in a bid to distract from the fact he's talking total nonsense.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628776#Comment_122628776

You didn't. You name checked a bunch of comedians and díckheads on YouTube.

🙄

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628872#Comment_122628872

"Weirdly you cant" - wtf you on about. You think that I, can provide you with the notary now?

Are you from this planet?

Uncivil - warned and 3 month forum ban applied

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122628905#Comment_122628905

It wasnt what Trump was saying that has led to any assassination attempts

Leroy42

@Red, Trump is a known liar. His VP, just this week, stated they would make up stories in order to get into the media. Trump is a convicted fraudster. He has cheated on his wives, he has taken money from charities for his personal use.

So why would you think that he saying he would, or wouldn't do something, is anything that anyone can place any credibility on?

As for him being a threat to democracy, at every single election he has stood in he has stated that he will not accept the result if it goes against him. He has never conceded the last election.

Someone who repeatedly and then allows a violent mob to try to kill other politicians in a failed attempt to overturn an election that he lost is clearly a danger to democracy.