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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Israel maintained a blockade around Gaza, controlling what enters and exits the region including sea cargo which is a form of de facto occupation.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Now you mention it, actually, err, no, sorry, you've lost me there.

    I do think you may be somewhat confused over "Hamas" and "Palestine".

    Regardless, I have no idea what your point is. But happy to debate if you provide clarity (and accuracy).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    'Hamas / Paletistine surrendering' would be the equivalent of the IRA throwing in the towel around 1987 and telling the Brits 'That's it, you've won' with no Good Friday Agreement (and power sharing and the NI Assembly) on the horizon, never mind a united Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Ardent


    You do realize that Israel faces a terrorist threat in the form of Hamas, and has done for many years? Why else do you think there's a blockade there FFS?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Really? Point to any of my posts that are antisemitic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Blockade is there to impact the civilian population of Gaza, to collectively punish Palestinians because of Hamas. Do you believe the blockade is an effective long-term solution to counter the Hamas threat, or could there be other strategies that might address both security concerns and the humanitarian situation? Or your happy to simply have Gaza (before its slaughter) into an open air prison. All Israel has done is create a new generation of Hamas supporters and fighters.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Ardent


    You guys are crazy. The rewriting of history and mental gymnastics here is just astounding. Sorry I got involved, good luck to you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Its a standard retort for those who cannot or will not debate. Its a lazy way out.

    I saw a quote recently (posted on Boards) from a Jewish man. He said:

    "An anti-Semite used to be someone who didn't like Jews

    Now an anti-Semite is someone that Jews don't like."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭thereiver


    I think the present Israeli government has made many mistakes it did not have to bomb and destroy most buildings in gaza including schools mosques and hospitals it has killed 1000s of civilians women and children and left Palestinians in a state of near starvation it has killed aid workers who are trying to provide food and medical supplys to civilians

    Now it's aim seems to be to push Hezbollah back from border areas to allow Israeli civilians to return to the homes they left

    The problem is the present situation is chaotic it could easily escalate into a full scale war between IDF and Hezbollah which will simply result in 1000s of casualties on both sides

    The logical policy is for Israel to make some kind

    of peaceful agreement with Hamas otherwise

    Israel is going to plunged into a state of chaos as they will be under attack by Hezbollah and other proxy groups supported by Iran it's very hard to defend against attacks by drones and hypersonic missiles coming from different directions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,211 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Hezbollah rejected any return to the previous negotiated settlement, again.

    So that leaves Israel no choice, heavy softening of targets in Lebanon now and troops massing on the border



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You should do a little bit more background reading, "friend".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Listen, when he moved on from hanging out with MMA fighters to getting involved in complex geopolitical matters then he was always going to be a target

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,996 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    So you are running away. You made a claim a poster was engaging in anti semitism. You presumably have solid evidence of this. It wasn't just lazily thrown out there because you didn't like the poster criticising Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Oh right, so the women and children are just collateral damage! What a horrible nation!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭thereiver


    Its obvious from various reports in the media in the past few months that Israel did not try very hard to come to any kind of peaceful settlement with Hamas I don't think anyone really knows what will happen in the next few weeks apart from it's hard to have any optimism about the chances of a peaceful resolution to this crisis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Or maybe they couldn't care less after all they are terrorists….the state sponsored kind, who are aided, financed, armed, trained etc. with the guarantee of their full military support by Joe Biden and his regime. So it's OK really,………BUT if Iran, Russia or similar carried out such cowardly, outrageous massacres there would be calls for boycotts, freezing financial assets, closing embassies etc. etc. The sheer hypocrisy of it all is stomach churning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,404 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Things like Oct 7th were always going to happen at some stage. If you bully someone continuously don't be surprised when they lose their temper. Treat them properly and it doesn't happen. Nobody likes that it came to that by the way.

    It reminds me of a story a relative of mine tells, he's a garda. There was a row on the main street one night when two neighbours were fighting. He asked one of them, a bit of a bully by all accounts, how the row started. Your man replied '' the row started when he hit me back ''. Remind you of anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Jizique




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,404 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Media reports have also suggested that Hamas is thrilled to be winning the media war in "the west" with university occupations and regular demos in US and EU cities (but none in Arab places)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Gaza is perceived as the largest open air prison in the world with over 1.8 million ''prisoners'' two thirds of whom are under 25 years of age. Their 'crime' - being Palestinian living in the tiny portion of their own homeland, that they managed to hold on to despite the best efforts of the invaders who took over 80% of their land. The same invaders continue on a daily basis to illegally occupy more and more of the Palestinian land …yet if the Palestinians threaten to rise up and revolt against their aggressor they are labelled as terrorists…….it sort of reminds one of the history of a certain small green rocky outcrop in north Atlantic that the Romans called Hibernia.

    One mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter……….don't ever, ever forget that. The complex history of human beings on planet earth can never be simplified as just good or bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,404 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Rubbish. It's not about Hamas. There is support all over the world for PALESTINE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,129 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    There are a lot of idiots claiming that all the protestors are supporting Hamas, and they just won't have it any other way.

    I encountered one fool on social media who was even saying that the Palestine flag was a Hamas flag. When I let him know that Hamas had their own flag, and that it was nothing like the Palestine flag, the idiot refused to accept that fact.

    It's like talking to a brick wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,271 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Do you have a source that Israel were planning to stop killing ordinary Palestinians on that date. Would have been a bit of a coincidence that they were going to give up the oul' murdering on that day.

    41 Palestinian children killed in 2023 before your magical date.

    https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/child-casualties-west-bank-skyrocket-past-nine-months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Reading some of the surgeons reports and testimony from Lebanon, very grim stuff. A significant portion of Hezbollah are quite literally blinded, many have lost hands. To say it's incapacitated Hezbollah would be an understatement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,271 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It wouldn't exactly be logical to expect independent thought, or even a coherency and consistency, from people who blindly swallow obvious lies from notorious liars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭wandererz


    This week's learnings:

    If he belongs to Hezbollah then there's a chance that Hisballsah someplace else.

    And that is indeed a conundrum, because they're going to be in paradise with the 72, but just not with him.

    One expects that the experience just won't be the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭wandererz


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    If hamas and practically every Muslim country in the area had their way, they'd have no hesitation in wiping out every man woman and child in Israel. Funny how no one mentions that.

    Not condoning Israel , but that's the facts of it.

    Sure Europe would do it as well under the right conditions. They already tried once and wiped out 6 million without hesitation. Even Ireland refused Jews refuge and sent the ship back to Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭Iguarantee


    Great name for a band!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭thereiver


    Hezbollah have 1000s of members they,ll recover in a few months they have 100 thousand weapons and drones from Iran

    The main result of this is they ll have to replace all the pagers with new ones probably bought from China mossad can only do this once

    It ,ll probably take them a few weeks to setup a new comms infrastructure

    Whatever new comms systems they use will probably be checked carefully before they send it out to Hezbollah soldiers

    There are other proxy groups used by Iran to attack Israel

    Mossad probably did this to scare Hezbollah about their supply chain being infiltrated or compromised

    The aim of IDF is to show that no one is safe from being attacked no matter where they are

    We have seen in the past few months that the iron dome in Israel is not perfect and 100 per cent reliable in protecting against missiles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Wait so Egypt a long time ally of israel wants it wiped from the map, or Jordan? Israel was going round making quite a few treaties with neighbouring arab countries the last few years. They were making quite a bit of progress but that progress has been severely damaged because of the atrocities they are committing in Gaza.

    You seem just to be mentioning anything else but what Israel is doing in Gaza. I have no ill will to Israel I just condemn their large scale killing of innocent civilians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,211 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Just another reason why Israel must act and why so many across the region are celebrating Hezbollah getting hit.

    Just one eye they was lost by these countless women is worth more than the lives of a thousands evil degenerates that will be marching across the country this Saturday .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Calling protestors against a war that is already killing 10 of thousands of innocents in Gaza degenerates really shows how wretched blind support for any regime is.

    Both Iran and Israel can be wrong at the same time, but if you dont condemn the killing of innocent women and children then you really are no better than the supporters of Hamas, who act in the same manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,156 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Holocaust was carried out by a right wing, autocratic government - the type of regime loved by Israel supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Here's my brain fart on this subject incase people think that I have nothing to contribute except for humor.

    Prior to October last year, Israel had established ongoing relationships with many of the Arabic countries in the Middle East like the UAE, Saudi, Qatar, Egypt etc.

    They established and furthered bilateral trade relationships. Even Ryanair and Easyjet and other airlines were flying there.

    In Tel Aviv, I was surprised to meet Arab Israelis. They were accepted and respected and the Jewish Israelis would interact with them, visit their restaurants and places of business.

    Thousands of Gazans had permits to travel into Israel to work and earn money to support their families.

    One could for once see a possible path to peace at some point in the future.

    Then Hamas fecked it up. And what did Israel do? It reverted to it's military and went ballistic. That's what they do. It's known and it's expected.

    Hamas could have returned those hostages in the first weeks or even the first month or two and there could have been an easing off in the level and scale of hostilities and celebrations on the Israeli side, perhaps followed by small targeted special forces operations. But it was never Hamas' intention to hand anyone over.

    Almost one year later Hamas still maintains those hostages (if they are alive) to the detriment of their own people. As for the people, they are suffering like crazy. Why are those that are in the know, protecting Hamas and their structures by not outing them or calling them out? Surely Hamas are not invisible within their own communities.

    Have a look at the Hezbollah funerals this week. Who are all those supposedly innocent ninja women attending the funerals of (presumably - according to media reports) Hezbollah (terrorist) members.

    Israel and it's government do have their problems as well as extremism. That certainly needs to be curtailed, not promoted. For once I could see change though.

    I struggle to see any change of any sort for the positive on the side of Hamas and Hezbollah.

    I am not justifying what Israel has done, it is terrible. In the aftermath of October 7th their primordial brains went to the equivalent mode of (USA!! USA!! Semper Fi !!)

    Every single one of them (with certain exceptions) including women are taught how to kill from a late teen / early adult stage. It is scary, but equally as scary is the fact that they have to do that at all.

    Those kids don't want to go to war or into military service in the first place. When they finish their military service they get a payment to go of and rehab. Where do they go? To places that will help calm their minds and get them back to normal. Places like Kashmir and Thailand where they can just chillax, smoke some joints, have a few drinks, party (whatever they chose to do) before going back and starting university or vice versa and becoming contributing members of society and to the rest of the world.

    Would you see Hamas or Hezbollah doing anything like that for their youngsters in terms of giving them such opportunities to rehab, relax, explore the world before returning to the rest of their lives? No. The leaders live billionaire lifestyles in Qatar, Kuwait, UAE etc figuring out how to plot the next bit of revenge, the next wave of attacks and how to regress their people further.

    If they had any inclination at all, they could be building universities, schools etc elsewhere in the UAE so that their people could be educated in a different environment, learn what it's like to live a slightly better life and hopefully return to use their skills for the betterment of their own people - from engineering, to computing, medicine, law international politics etc.

    But no, it does not happen because they need control in order to propagate their ideology.

    What happened this week was an extension of the outcome of what happened in Munich in 1972. In 72 Black September murdered athletes at the Olympic Games.

    Golda Meier ordered the establishment of assassination teams who went after them in a very co-ordinated and effective manner (for the time).

    People here have watched the movies and applauded the outcome.

    Guess what…those teams still exist, even though it's not the 1970's.

    Yet they still have a job to do. They observe, identify, assess, plan, coordinate and execute.

    The strangest thing is the history of assassins:

    So, number 1, is that the original assassins were Muslims. Not only did they invent the numerical system that we use now, without which we couldn't have advanced, but instead they didn't progress it, they chose to progress death and destruction. It's still going on today and on both sides.

    Number 2, is that militant fanatiscism in the region existed ~ a thousand years ago and is still there a thousand years later.

    What the effing hell is going to change anything anytime soon?

    Syria was a fantastic place to be, with fantastic, welcoming people. It's now gone to pot because of the little dictator.

    Jordan has changed - lovely place

    UAE - has its problems but it's getting getting there slowly.

    Saudi - significantly more problems than the UAE and even slower. But progress is being made.

    Qatar - spending their wealth fund, wanting to be the darling of the world.

    Same with Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and the other emirates.

    ^^ Notice above, they are investing in themselves, their countries, their infrastructure, their people and ultimately their future.

    Their other fanatic brethren though are just blowing it away. If you don't invest in your people and or your country then you get nowhere and just perpetuate the cycle.

    Even MBS realises that (even though he's perpetuating a tiny bit of assassinations here and there. But even he got his royal hand internationally slapped - albeit very lightly).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,889 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Why? Russia has made it clear that their fight with Ukraine is a fight to the death with no rules. The definition of "total war."

    I personally don't give a flying f*** what the Ukrainians have to do to make the Russians go away, and I extend the same point-of-view to Israel defending itself against Iranian proxies.

    Edit: to be clear, I don't think Ukraine is going to commit 'war crimes' against Russia for two reasons: 1) they have more than enough military targets, and 2) the Russian people are mostly passive, attacking Russia's people directly might galvanise them behind their government and its invasion.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭TokTik


    How many Israelis did Israel murder on Oct 7th?? They have now admitted to incorporating the Hannibal protocol and helicopter gunships rearmed multiple times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭TokTik




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Why don’t Israel release the thousands of hostages they have, hundreds of them children, held in “administrative detention” as an act of good faith??

    Strange you never mentioned them………..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭rogber


    Netenjahu and his government one of the great criminal organisations of the century, this guy wants never ending war to save his own political future, he's right up there with Assad and Putin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Do you actually have the figures to back that up? how many were killed/injured and how many of them were hezbollah members? Because otherwise it's just an assumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,271 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Perhaps you can extend your logic to try to understand why most people protest about Palestinian kids getting sniped to the head for playing outside their homes over the past decades?

    Hasbara claim - immediately blindly accepted and faux concern applied. Video evidence showing Palestinian kids getting sniped ……… nothing to see here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,271 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Is this the actual comedy attempt? I'll concede that it's funnier than the earlier ones, but you still need better material than circling screenshots of the word "Muslim" in relation to something that happened over a thousand years ago.

    Just in case you think your argument had some kind of logical merit, surely you didn't think that assassins were "invented" in 1094? Et tu, Brute?

    BTW, there are organised assassin groups mentioned in the Bible. That yoke the Israelis like to hold up. They were actually jewish assassin groups too. In case you think that is somehow relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭jackboy


    How is this escalation with Lebanon likely to play out. Can't imagine either side would want an all out war. Surely Israel could not invade all of Lebanon and taking a part for a limited period of time would be pointless.



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