Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306157#Comment_123306157

Zelenski should just delay as long as possible and if needed sign eventually but only if US military support continues. Look to renegotiate whenever a democrat gets back in.

I have to say though even by Russian standards that ceasefire was an absolute joke. If Trump doesn't take the hump over their actions he's an agent simple as.

thatsdaft

Russians queuing up to crawl through a replica of a pipe 800 of em died in

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/iBF8Uu4TIY

aidanodr

Some may say Im being melodramatic - BUT to me its hurtling toward eventual war in rest of europe and alot sooner than we might think. Essentially ww3.

Where trump is concerned with this deal he is using that old trick .. quote for a job but be crazily too high priced. Doing so because you have to quote but dont want the job.

Ukraine/Zelensky CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT accept this "deal".

This THREAD well worth a read - UNROLLED version below:

https://twitter.com/RaduHossu/status/1905455297193263355

Here is this thread UNROLLED - well worth the read:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1905455297193263355.html

Europe inc UK has to now detach completely from Trumps USA. And have the courage and belief to do so. All This is just not right and utterly dystopian ..

Any american with any values who reads this would see it as the last straw and wake the fck up and take back there country.

https://twitter.com/Strandjunker/status/1905379784978293203

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306426#Comment_123306426

What utterly depresses me is that it's not a slow boil undermining of democracy where nobody realises what's happening until the horse has bolted, it's a smash and grab right in front of our noses, with zero attempt to disguise it, just bare faced denials and abuse when called out on it. If it was just Trump and a few loyalists - AKA Trump 2017-2020 that would be one thing, but this version of Trump MkII has him surrounded by attack dogs in suits, undermining of the judiciary with Musk trying to buy his choice of Supreme Court judge, media suppression, attacks on freedom of speech, demonising of non-WASP citizens all backed up ably, not by a dusty department of propaganda but by the might of the billionaires who control social media.

I read somewhere that 45% of women who voted, voted for Trump. What the f**k was wrong with American women? With black Americans? With latino Americans? With Asian Americans? You reap what you sow, but unfortunately we all have to reap it too. F**kin idiots.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306479#Comment_123306479

The American voters don't give much of a f-ck about foreign affairs I think.

There isn't very much of a peep out of them from what I can see about this blossoming American friendship with Putin + the potential carving up of Ukraine, or about the threats the US is making to its allies. If anything riles them up and could cause a backlash, it's domestic abuses by Trump and Musk, and the corruption and incompetence of the admin. - not the damage they cause around the world.

The way its heading, I'm afraid we'll see some kind of detente with China as well. Probably a big summit of the Great Men, with Trump, Xi and maybe Putin too all doing World Leader Pretend?

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306426#Comment_123306426

Would France or Germany or a public /Partnership consortium involving a number of ‘western countries / like minded countries - some European , Japan , Australia, New Zealand , etc, etc. - not be in a position to make a counter and MORE FAIR proposal to Ukr than to the US one .
ANDKEEP THE MONEY AND JOBS IN EUROPE/ UKR friendly countries.

The US can be paid for the non gift/ grant supplied arms out of the profits so as to stop its ‘whinging’

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306587#Comment_123306587

The concern would have to be any attempt to gazump Trump in that way would prompt him to wash his hands of the entire situation…

ilkhanid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306568#Comment_123306568

Maybe they were always like this. I can easily imagine a non-Roosevelt timeline with Lindbergh chumming up with Hitler and Tojo and a big cohort of the American electorate just fine with it.

yagan

The threat of Russia invading the rest of Europe in ladas and on donkeys isn't really a possibility, but while Putin is still in power there's a constant real threat of EU infrastructure sabotage.

In a post Putin collapse Russia west of the urals could become an EU liability needing constant policing.

Everything east of the urals will become Kazakhstan and China's security concern.

The Rachmaninov empire built over centuries is on its last gasps.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306769#Comment_123306769

One of the NATO or was it a minister of one the the states bordering Russia made a good point recently

They might have donkeys and Ladas but can any other state mentally cope for years with what Ukrainians had to endure with almost daily attacks on civilians and infrastructure

Ukraine does have the largest military in Europe behind Russia itself with the rest far behind

Especially if “allies” endup dragging their feet when it comes to helping out, as Poland learned the hard way when Hitler and Stalin invaded from both directions

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306949#Comment_123306949

"They might have donkeys and Ladas but can any other state mentally cope for years with what Ukrainians had to endure with almost daily attacks on civilians and infrastructure"

Also add this - Russia has no problem pouring endless meat into the grinder, no other nation in Europe would do this or have the capacity to do so.

Russians , Putins value on life is ZERO. Everyone bar the people of Moscow and st Petersburg are totally expendible.

Add too THE NORTH KOREANS - I am still amazed to this day that North Korean troops fighting on European soil barely raises an eybrow ..

aidanodr

By looks of it I cannot see Zelenskys lawyers agreeing with this AT ALL. As said by Zelensky and others:

Zelenskiy says ukraine can't accept any deal that threatens its eu integration

"Ukraine’s zelenskiy says kyiv agreed with some european allies on broader access to their intelligence data || zelenskiy says there has been no communication from U.S. On monitoring energy ceasefire so far

Zelenskiy says ukraine has warned U.S. That ceasefire won't work without monitoring || zelenskiy says kyiv received draft of new minerals deal from U.S., says 'entirely different' document than previous framework

Zelenskiy says ukraine can't accept any deal that threatens its eu integration || zelenskiy says too early to comment on draft of new minerals deal, lawyers need to assess it "

https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1905658988714492323

SO - looking at this from the Orange ones people, what angle is this, knowing that Ukraine wont accept it and also puts EU in it

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123306769#Comment_123306769

Obviously they have more than just donkeys and golf carts, otherwise Ukraine would have driven Russia back to where they came from. Russia has been running out of stuff in "3 months" for years now. Laughing at Russia is fine, but it's naive to underestimate the danger they pose to Europe.

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123307174#Comment_123307174

The problem is the nature of the battlefield. Russia has held what it took when it had a surplus of a iet era stock which it have used up, but it's troops are entrenched in basements in towns all along the frontline.

It's a massive waste fighting them out celler by celler which is why excursions into Russian is better for speeding up Russias attrition rate as they can be picked off where they're not hiding in basements.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123307083#Comment_123307083

Raising an eyebrow to that comes down to putting western forces on the ground and in the air of Ukraine to help fight, not peace-keep. The usual western gutlessness and short sightedness is why that isn't happening. Most Orc facing intelligence services seem to believe they won't stop with Ukraine, so if they had any brains - and Poland I'm looking at you - they would commit troops to Ukraine to defeat the Orcs and regain the territories seized. Russia would economically collapse and implode early on in this process and it wouldn't be anything like as hard as most are probably assuming.

Fighting now would be so much smarter than fighting harder later.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123307244#Comment_123307244

At the moment it is DRONE WARS rather than arm to arm combat or any other combat really?

Russia a bit ahead on the drone front perfecting, somewhat, there reeled out fibre Drones to make them unjammable - no wireless communication needed, all done through the fibre cable. This fibre reel on the drone spools out around 10KMs. Issue at the moment is the COST of these ( the fibre optic cable ).

I have no doubt UKRAINE ingenuity will come up with a counter BUT not as of yet

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123307263#Comment_123307263

There is only WW1 trench warfare because Ukraine doesn't have air superiority. The drones are a modern product of this type of warfare. There are more than enough military aircraft in Europe to provide total air superiority.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123307244#Comment_123307244

But if Poland put troops in Ukraine would that not effectively mean NATO at war with Russia

aidanodr

The carving up of the World - those spheres of influence. There will be NO peace for Ukraine or Europe. Everything at the moment between the US and Russia with "peace talks", "Mineral Deals" is just stalling, fake cr*p.

The message to Trump from Putin when he spoke in Murmansk was pretty clear: You take Greenland. I take Ukraine. And then we continue as the best of friends.

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1905599853033377938

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123307299#Comment_123307299

Absolutely not. The lie Putin has been telling forever is that NATO is an offensive grouping, when it is clearly defensive. Any NATO member state is free to do as they wish. If they engage in hostilities, such as side with Ukraine, article 5 is void in terms of retaliation they might incur. They do so off their own bat, not NATO's.

If all the NATO members in Europe join in, the US would abstain, Canada might join in and I think Australia might be persuaded also.

If the free world that values a rules based international order doesn't ensure Ukraine prevails, then they will have capitulated to a new world order where the strong take from the weak, at will. That's what is really behind Krasnov's Greenland, Canada, Panama play - grabbing any of these by force legitimises the Orcs actions in Ukraine. He's doing it because Putrid told him to to. I'm sure it's also why Netanyahu is going for broke with his Palestinian and Syrian land grabs, likely with some urging from Putrid and the legitimisation we have already seen from agent Krasnov.

China is quietly preparing and cheering all this along for it's imminent Taiwan grab. They might as well grab the Philippines while they are at it. Myanmar seems to be de-facto theirs already.

If the free world wants to stay free and not be picked off one by one, it needs to fight now, before it's too late - 'who dares, wins.'

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123307263#Comment_123307263

Ukraine are already using fibre optic drones with ranges up to 20km.

cnocbui

In addition, agreements have been reached with some countries "to expand Ukraine's access to information, access to relevant technologies and satellites that our European colleagues have." The president explained that this is a European initiative.

At the same time, the meeting in France also agreed to accelerate investments in the production of Ukrainian drones and missiles.

Zelenskyy said that the Ukrainian side has reached agreements with some leaders on access to some European weapons technologies, namely the transfer of licenses to produce air defense and artillery systems.

"We have agreed with some leaders on Ukrainian access to their ammunition depots. We have agreed on licenses for air defense production, and we will also work on licenses for some types of artillery," the Ukrainian president added.

Recall that at the beginning of March this year, the United Kingdom announced that it will produce at the Thales facility in Belfast a number of 5,000 LMM (Light Multirole Missiles) air defense interceptor missiles, as well as launchers for them, which will be purchased by Ukraine.

Good news on the intelligence and air defence fronts.

AngeloArgue

A ceasefire by stages seems to be the preferred western strategy. Bearing in mind it was first touted by Macron. The Russians have introduced their own next step in asking for limited sanctions relief. If the EU rejects this proposal then the "ceasefire by stages" is dead in the water

JJayoo

Moscow needs to feel the war

macraignil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123308297#Comment_123308297

The EU already has called out putin's demands pre-ceasefire to be unacceptable.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/27/eu-rebuffs-russias-demand-for-sanctions-relief-and-asks-for-unconditional-withdrawal-of-tr

https://kyivindependent.com/eu-preparing-17th-package-of-russian-sanctions-media-reports/

More details of Ukraine's efforts to disrupt putin's terrorist activity in Belgorod revealed:

https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-forces-push-3-4-km-inside-belgorod-region-reuters-reports/

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123308310#Comment_123308310

if Ukraine find themselves on the brink of extinction, and the gloves finally come off their restraint, then I’ve no doubt Moscow will feel it.

Hospitals, schools, shopping centres… nothing should be off limits if Ukraine find themselves backed into a corner with no escape.

cnocbui

Russian President Vladimir Putin suggested Ukraine be placed under a form of temporary administration to allow for new elections and the signing of key accords to reach a settlement in the war, Russian news agencies reported early on Friday.

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“In principle, of course, a temporary administration could be introduced in Ukraine under the auspices of the UN, the United States, European countries, and our partners,” Putin was quoted as saying in talks with seamen at the port.

“This would be in order to hold democratic elections and bring to power a capable government enjoying the trust of the people and then to start talks with them about a peace treaty.”

Putrid just keeps moving the goal posts to show he has no intention of engaging with a peace process. That nonsense is pure Maskirovka - here is my latest ridiculous demand to show you how much contempt I have for you and this peace nonsense, but hey, I'll play along, this charade has to happen so those sanctions can be lifted.

cnocbui

The Ukrainian army lost in just a few weeks all the territory it occupied during its invasion of Russia's Kursk region last August, and Elon Musk's Starlink satellite system seems to have contributed to this failure.

The soldiers talk about the failed operation in Kursk and describe the difficult withdrawal of forces under constant artillery fire and drone attacks. According to some, the recall was preceded by the strange behavior of Starlink satellite terminals.

The Starlink system has been an invaluable help during the war in Ukraine. Soldiers use it to exchange information, establish target coordinates, guide drones, and even communicate with families. However, in the Kursk region, it may have played a "strange" role.

Starlink had several days of outages, and the Ukrainian military believed that Musk kept his word and stopped the connection. Recall that last month, the American billionaire announced that he would limit the Starlink service for the Ukrainian Army.

However, after the restoration of service, the Ukrainian military had an unpleasant surprise: immediately the shelling arrived.

According to the military, this event was not a coincidence and speculate that sensitive data about the location of Ukrainian servicemen was transmitted intentionally.

The Ukrainians claim to have tested what would happen if they placed the antenna hundreds of meters from the receiver. A long cable was stretched and, in less than an hour, several bombs fell in the area where the antenna was located.

The unpleasant experience described by the soldiers is happening only on the territory of Russia, with the Ukrainian military confirming that in other parts of Ukraine, Starlink is working well.

The attack on the positions in Kursk came just weeks after the Ukrainian president rejected the initial proposal put forward by US Treasury Secretary Scott Besent. The United States tried to pressure Ukraine to sign at the time, threatening that if the contract was not concluded, the country could lose access to Starlink.

I thought the US betrayal of the Kurds and Afghan interpreters was pretty sick, we can now add this disgusting betrayal to the growing list.

zv2

@cnocbui "Putrid just keeps moving the goal posts to show he has no intention of engaging with a peace process. That nonsense is pure Maskirovka"

For the Russians talks are a weapon of war no different to bullets and grenades. And weapons are just their way of talking.

BorneTobyWilde

In new elections, surely it ends with Zelensky in a landslide