Israel are going to start WWIII

Freight bandit

Anyone that was left in doubt that the US and the UK are just In fact Israeli poodles....

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682385#Comment_122682385

The point is. If Iran go nuclear the dynamics and support changes.

It would be another power shift in the middle east.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682406#Comment_122682406

Can't see US and Israel allowing that.

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682359#Comment_122682359

True, I'm sure they would like to control it. I find it fair enough. I have no interest in watching the israeli genocide of the Palestine people, so those videos don't show up. For videos I 'like' , similar topics appear. Seems the Chinese have a balanced enough app to me. I would imagine the Americans would turn it into a far worse/dangerous version of what it is now. Similar what musk has done to Twitter

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682410#Comment_122682410

They can't prevent it, short of invading and occupying Iran and even then Iran could be weeks if not shorter from producing something viable.

Unless you are suggesting the US and Israel would nuke Iran?

Then that would be WW3.

Quitelife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122681947#Comment_122681947

You must be evil yourself if you enjoy Israel killing thousands of people every month ….shame on you and the butchers of Israel

Freight bandit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682410#Comment_122682410

Iran have been months/weeks/minutes away from acquiring a nuclear weapon since the late 70s...wish I could find the montage on YouTube with Isreal and the US claiming this over the years

TinyMuffin

if only Jared kushner was still in charge. This would all have been resolved.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682411#Comment_122682411

Im fairly confident in saying whatver the situation it would indeed be worse under the US, you dont want any government with its thumb on the scales, Musk is the opposite surely?, ran as it was it would have been a corner office for the security establishment. most social media allows you to create your own silo but the power is controlling what is "disinformation"

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682165#Comment_122682165

The Iranian army are poorly trained and poorly equipped, they are more intended for crowd control at home

The revolutionary guard are well trained, religious fanatics and well equipped.

Their job is to take on the Iranian army or people if the regime is threatened.

No one will conquer Iran but it would be easy to leave it a bankrupt shell for a generation.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682414#Comment_122682414

I expect they know exactly how close Iran are to producing a nuke and they will intervene if it is getting too close. No need to nuke, just kill everyone that has any involvement in such a project plus bombing important sites.

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682438#Comment_122682438

twitter is probably the worst of all. When you cannot find real time information anymore, like pre musk, it is useless. Who wants to read opinions of people who are so sad in life they have to pay for the blue tick to get people to see/engage with their tweets.

Tony EH

@SeanW

Sure, there's no equivalency.

I agree completely.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682465#Comment_122682465

still if there are big events happening in real time what do you want to have peak at?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682457#Comment_122682457

That's not how it works.

There is a reason Biden has came out and said absolutely no to targeting of Iran's reactors.

Personally I don't even think Bibi and his goons are that thick, but they have proved they are fairly thick and are getting thicker so God knows.

Strazdas

Mary Robinson made the point this morning that it seems as if Israel is planning on being at war with its neighbours forever i.e. that in 50 years time it will still be dropping bombs on Gaza, Lebanon and Syria (presumably while still playing the "victim" card).

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682418#Comment_122682418

"Confound your mutterings Priest".

Is that a line from the IT crowd?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682518#Comment_122682518

She should stick to helping kidnappers, most of Israel's neighbours are delighted Hamas are gone, hate the Palestinians, hate Hezbollah and are excited about Iran being clipped.

No doubt they don't like that Israel is a there or Jews but they hate the above to a fanatical degree.

How eager the neighbours are to normalise relations is significant

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682574#Comment_122682574

Israel doesn't seem particularly interested in living in 'peace' with its neighbours though. It seems quite content to be the top military and economic power in the region and asserting its authority over everyone else. A bit of a colonial / superiority complex going on? It doesn't appear to view any other state in the region as its equal and most certainly not as being superior to it).

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682608#Comment_122682608

its just a matter of survival , if your enemy has 100k rockets now but with the prospect of having a million in 10 years time it makes sense to mow the lawn now

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682654#Comment_122682654

Mass murdering people doesn't tend to lend itself to peace.

Quite the opposite.

Use the history of the region as example if it helps.

A Dub in Glasgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682654#Comment_122682654

back to the 'self defence' nonsense. Israel must be the only country in the world with that 'right'

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682729#Comment_122682729

Is there another country in the world though that's in the same situation as Israel, completely surrounded by enemies who'd love to see it's destruction?

I know you've things like Taiwan/China etc but I don't think anything is as quite acute as Israel's situation. It's fairly unique so I'm not sure you can really compare it to 'other countries' when it comes to self defence.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682729#Comment_122682729

who says its a right? its just inevitable given the circumstances

brickster69

Next they want to give them a months notice to **** off for good.

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1841906503835648332

quokula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682518#Comment_122682518

Hard to see where else their current strategy could possibly lead. They've destroyed any chance of meaningful peace for decades with the way they've barbarically slaughtered so many civilians and children with complete disregard for international law, recognised borders, the sovereignty of other nations or any sort of acceptable norms of humanity. Short of a full dismantling by the international community like Nazi Germany underwent, which is never gonna happen, it's hard to see how they can be rehabilitated.

Israel has made it abundantly clear that they are an existential threat to every man woman and child in the middle east and there will always be people who will be forced to defend themselves from that.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682177#Comment_122682177

Stop the greater Israel project might be a good start by Renouncing the Likud Charter. Secondly by abiding by international law and accepting the recent decision regarding the West Bank and taking steps to end the occupation.

If they did these things a lot of the criticism of Israel would become invalid . Until they take such steps they will rightly be considered a pariah state just like Russia.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682810#Comment_122682810

given the blowback leading to Russia and China moving closer together , is there a risk of all the Islamic countries seeing past their differences? lol

2Greyfoxes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682725#Comment_122682725

How far back do we go with the History of the region?

The earliest documented mention of "Israel" as a people appears on the Merneptah Stele, an ancient Egyptian inscription dating back to around 1208 BCE. Archaeological evidence suggests that ancient Israelite culture evolved from the pre-existing Canaanite civilization.

Is that far back enough, or is that too far?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682729#Comment_122682729

I don't know if some posters just don't get it or just don't care to acknowledge it that this doctrine opens Pandora box( oh behave)

For instance other bad actors can now cite Israel as example to commit any egregious acts under the rubric of self defense. With this in mind Vladimir would have us believe what he is doing in Ukraine is pre emptive self defense!

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682830#Comment_122682830

Oh okay, they found an inscription.

Continue killing the children so.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682868#Comment_122682868

Wait until Israel discovers they can use the precedent Putin has set by saying “Give us 25% of your country or we nuke everyone”

The funny part is the far left bristle at the US being the “world policeman” but without them to keep everyone inline we endup with these vacuums and catastrophies in Ukraine and now Middle East where the UN and Europe can only look on and shrug

Just look higher up at some of them praying that US is kicked out of Middle Eastern bases, because that will totally not boomerang when Iran decides to irradiate the Saudi oil fields, which funnily enough US don’t need anymore but Europe, India and China very much do

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122677920#Comment_122677920

Yeah this is how evil they are:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/yazidi-woman-rescue-gaza-israel-iraq-b2623701.html

This woman was bought, at age 11, by a member of Hamas - Gaza's government at the time - who just happened to be in Iraq hanging out with ISIS members, the way you do when you're an Islamist militant I suppose, and made a sex slave. She was then brought into Gaza against her will (so much for the "open air prison" - although it was clearly was that for her, just not so much for Hamas) and kept there until the IDF killed her owner, after which, thanks to a Jew who spends his time trying to free ISIS' prisoners, hence his nickname "the Jewish Schindler", she was finally freed and taken back to Iraq.

https://twitter.com/stevemaman/status/1841598803134317026

But - those evil Israelis, right? That's the society Israel is fighting: one where women can be openly kept as sex slaves by members of the government, and her fate is so little different from the status of women generally there that nobody really minds. That's all women are good for in their minds anyway. And it took a Jew, not a member of the Palestinian diaspora, to care enough to have her freed. And the IDF's destruction of Hamas infrastructure in Gaza of course.

And if anyone thinks Hezbollah, or indeed the Iranian regime is any different - no they're not.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682904#Comment_122682904

Putin is bluffing. He likes power. He is not going to do something that is likely to bring about his end. As for Israel, Likud doesn't need to threaten to use Nukes to get what they want, they have the backing of a superpower to continue their greater Israel project without fear of sanction.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682913#Comment_122682913

Don’t mention the Yemeni slave markets either, they are “good guys” apparently to the far left

Anyways McWilliams makes an interesting point that it’s Europe who can restrain Israel but choses not to, something that the far left ignores as they blame the US for all the problems in every sh1thole in the world

https://open.spotify.com/episode/453MJohPzAl6Slqvcs83GY?si=mFYN6uZVRPKKcUbwKc8vmA

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682574#Comment_122682574

3340 Palestinians in Administrative Detention. Kidnapped. How many do Hamas have??

Quitelife

What does Israel expect ?

They treat the Locals like Sh*t and leave them living in squalor for decades and kill a few thousand of them every few years ….most people if they were treated like the Palestinians would fight Back…..!!…..

halkar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682913#Comment_122682913

Great publicity, saving someone that was captured and sold by Isis that was created by US. I killed 40k and injured 100k but I saved one. I am the good guy they are bad. Happy to see the girl saved but plastering around like a good thing while hands full of blood. What did they do to prevent 10s of thousands of children being killed with their tons of bombs.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122675385#Comment_122675385

From wikipedia:

Iraq–United States correspondence

On 25 July 1990, April Glaspie, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border.

The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, "inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion" on the disagreement between Kuwait and Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab–Arab conflicts".

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682729#Comment_122682729

No. It is more than a right though, it is an obligation for the State to defend it's people.

Which is one of the reasons they are so despised among the modern trendy left.

Iran just launched the largest ballistic missile strike in history. You might think good. Israel shouldn't exist in the first place so any action they do is automatically wrong but they just won't have the decency to die, another fundamental problem.

Strasdaz asked above does Israel think it is superior to it's neighbours. Militarily they are. Economically they are to most of them but as a society they are far superior, as a Palestinian i knew in london said its full of jewish fags and whores, problem is that Israel is full of Jews, fags and whores as he put it and they all know what the neighbouring countries do to people like them.

All the neighbours kill gays, women are less than shi7 under a shoe and Jews are kept on a leash . I think that shouldn't be like that but.. Another fundamental point of disagreement.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682913#Comment_122682913

But - those evil Israelis, right?

Right.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-rights-group-says-palestinian-prisoners-subject-systematic-abuse-2024-08-05/

Black Swan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058370910/israel-are-going-to-start-wwiii

My unqualified armchair guess…

In the short run, the enlarged Israel military actions of the past year will substantially subside after the US presidential elections and swearing in 20 January 2025, no matter who wins, Harris or Trump. US Congressional funding of Israel in the new year will have a greater diplomatic effect than new presidential 4 years term political rhetoric.

In the long term, such military conflicts will continue, as they have for thousands of years in this religious-geopolitical region. What Durant and Durant in their Lessons of History have concluded about war, is that war is normal, and peace is not, given that recorded history vastly exhibits more days of war than peace.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682913#Comment_122682913

It sticks in their craw to see her out.

2Greyfoxes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682890#Comment_122682890

Sorry ai must have miss the part where I said it was OK to kill children.

Killing children is not OK, just so we are clear.

Hiding weapons in schools/hospitals and using civilians ad a human shield is also not OK, just so we are clear.

It is possible to condemn both as being horrid actions taken out by people who have lost sense of just what they are doing to each other.

Just so we are clear.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682974#Comment_122682974

Also it begs the question why did the IDF fund the very same people in Syria. Yet they didn't see fit to help Ukraine. Danzy keeps telling us they have a common fight, but Bibi obviously doesn't think so .

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122678430#Comment_122678430

Anyone who has spent any time in the 3 ex-USSR Baltic countries recently will be aware of how clearly they see that.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122683005#Comment_122683005

It is possible to condemn both as being horrid actions taken out by people who have lost sense of just what they are doing to each other.

Of course it is, why didn't you do that instead of bringing up some mention of an inscription?

Just so we are clear?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122682936#Comment_122682936

Don't mention the slave markets, don't mention the honour killings, don't mention the child brides, don't mention the killing of LGBT people, don't mention the killing of adulterers, don't mention a society where they spend all their money on weapons and most people do not have electricity .

The list of don't mentions about places in the resistance and the region is very long.

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122683005#Comment_122683005

In what sense are they shields when Israel blows them regardless? It’s the biggest load of bollox going. The French government criticised them for bombing an orphanage, tents and school 2 days ago. It’s actually dumbfounding at this stage how people fall for the human shield shite. The Israelis couldn’t give a S

Montage of Feck

When WWIII starts will Ireland be neutral? I can't imagine the EU standing by if Israel came under an existential threat.