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Storm Darragh : Fri 6th /Sat 7th Dec 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭BagofWeed


    Suddenly became very gusty now in the real capital of shite weather. Vile.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Mod Note: Can we keep this thread for discussion about Storm Darragh. There is a Winter Discussion thread, and, Current Weather Conditions thread, for today's weather (which is not Storm Darragh). Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭ascophyllum


    Don't those high res forecasts that show 150kmph+ over Wicklow refer to the winds found at altitude, e.g. 800 metres up in the mountains. It'll be fairly windy for sure but more like 100kmph down in the populated lowlands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭pureza


    Those high Wicklow speeds are on mountain tops though,lug in the case of near Glenmalure

    I am interested in the pink shading in the Arklow area on harmonie there for 3AM

    It’s hard to make out which shading of pink it is vs the speed colour bar

    Above 130 in gusts would be red



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Interesting even inland will see 70mph gusts wouldn't be surprised to see more orange warnings issued, this is from met Office for northern Ireland but covers most of Ireland nicely, Dublin/wicklow mountains could see 80mph to 90mph



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    I'm pretty sure it's the 110-120 range, they tend to increase gradually between the colours (not always) but the magenta colour for 100-110 is next to it so it's likely that that one is 110-120.

    Also understood that those top wind speeds are in the mountains but it was the 130+ bands around Roundwood, Enniskerry and even out towards Bray that I was looking at mainly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭pureza


    NW of Arklow there is a lot of high ground which might act as a shelter belt

    From a NW direction you’d imagine that would be all of east Wicklow saved from the very worst



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Greystones quite exposed to NW wind as it funnels through the mountains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭realdanbreen




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭amandstu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,361 ✭✭✭✭km79


    school show tomorrow night should be ok

    But 9am flight from knock to Liverpool sat morning is looking hairy !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,016 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    It's getting rough already and we're 2 days out!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Well, ECM 12Z is gone the other extreme now and really ramped up the wind speeds. The charts only come out in 3 hr'ly frames so have to fill in the speeds but looking very windy on this one and can see how tight that gradient is. Clare and North Kerry on this run in the highest Orange or Red warning level. Luckily going through fairly quickly but sometimes these kind of rapidly deepening storms with quick forward momentum pack the biggest winds and often hear of jet streaks accompanying them. It has the look of being a fairly damaging storm and as others mentioned these are very strong winds from the NW so will test trees and electricity supply not to mind some buildings. I have the feeling that there will be big outages from this. A bit to go yet to get the final picture but I could see most counties in Orange warning level for some time however short.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ARPEGE 12Z very close to the ECM now, will be keeping a close eye on that streak of winds running through Kerry , parts of Limerick and Cork county.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭wingnut32


    Flying out to Manchester at 12 on Saturday afternoon. Would I be wise to change the flight to tomorrow as we cant really be delayed on the Saturday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭zisdead


    I am more interested in this little feature that the models want to place over Wicklow. Almost as if the mountains want to generate a mini low. Any reason why ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Robwindstorm


    Uk met office sticking to it's guns for an amber warning for all of Northern Ireland and running down the length of western Britain . This would suggest in their opinion the whole of Ireland should be orange.

    Then again, we might might say the whole of Ireland should be green 💚. Thanks for the great storm watch Meteorite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 822 ✭✭✭bazlers


    I would think that is alot of shower activity due to elevation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Christmas do on Friday night , getting home will be fun

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    No idea but that's 1 thing I've never seen before , if that happens I'd say gusts of 100mph will be seen 😳 also with these kinda set ups it's not uncommon to have a tornado either , where coming up to the 1 year anniversary for the one that went through leitrim village only a few kms away from me



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,734 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Just looking back at Storm Darwin and comparing these two storms. Storm Darwin was much deeper at around 955hPa and approaching roughly at the same position even though they had a slightly different track and producing NW to W'ly winds , this storm deepening as it transits the country at about 979Hpa after deepening rapidly on approach , much bigger core in this storm, Darwin was much more compact. Both have almost the same position on the left exit of a very fast Jet but tomorrows storm is coming off an even faster jet and an arc of an extremely fast jet following, the storm is positioned in what looks like an upturned horseshoe arc of the Jet stream . Both storms have somewhat similar mid level 850hPa temperatures. Big discussions after Darwin about Jet streaks and the very noticeable band of damage that was so evident. Even though this storm is not projected to produce winds as strong as Darwin I am wondering will it produce some type of similar damage paths from possible Jet streaks.

    This storm if somewhat less strong has the close appearance of the wind field that Darwin produced, and looking at the gradient I remember it was almost like you flicked a switch, it went from relatively calm to full on storm in minutes and the strongest winds only lasted about an hour or so around here in Kerry. A few more runs yet to go😀

    Link to Met Eireanns report about Strom Darwin.

    https://www.met.ie/cms/assets/uploads/2017/08/2014StormDarwin-1.pdf

    HARMONIE 18Z just rolling out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭IrishHomer


    Myself and my wife are flying out from Shannon airport tomorrow evening 630pm. Getting nervous if it gets away :(

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Donegal Ken


    I do think we will see much of the country upgraded to a orange warning tomorrow morning as this is looking very strong nationwide. A few red warnings may also be issued potentially across some northwestern and southeastern areas if some models are correct. I think some of the models are finding it hard to forecast this. Especially when you look yesterday evening at Met Eireanns Harmonie model and ensembles showing this system much further south. I think a few more upgrades can be expected tonight and tomorrow morning closer to the time. UKV showing very strong gusts nationwide.

    As Meteorite mentioned above it will be interesting to see if more models pick up on these jet streaks as they are a real danger in storms like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Icon. 150-159km/h Far N donegal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    It doesn't look exceptional to me. I think the warnings are appropriate and a further upgrade isn't necessary. Ok maybe squall lines etc could impact anywhere but in general it isa very normal system for Winter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    Met Eireann's new ensembles came out and they updated the hourly forecast. Very much at odds with a lot of the model output. The models are showing high orange to red level gusts in my area but by Met Eireann it's barely scraping yellow. Their modelling is showing something we're not seeing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭zisdead


    By definition a storm isn't normal regardless of the season. A storm is a pretty much a deviation from a baseline be it wind or rain or whatever, so definitely don't understand that comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Donegal Ken


    This will be a high impact storm with many places across the country seen very strong winds and damaging gusts . Definitely upgrades needed for much of the country tomorrow morning. I don't think this is just a normal low pressure system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Aperge isn’t out in full view for Ireland but another upgrade. Latest one has rarely seen exceptional gusts for parts of the midlands.

    Below is 12z

    Below most recent 18z, I think that’s a pocket of 140-149km/h gusts for parts of the midlands. While that isn’t widespread above I think you have to go back to the 60/70s to see something comparable to that around mullingar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    On their website, forecasts, ensemble forecast probability maps, scroll to bottom of the page to change between rain and wind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    AROME 18Z stronger than earlier runs———→ only going one way …up.

    AROME at this range getting into its own, a model I would say that almost never overdoes it. That is a strong chart for AROME.

    Siobhan Ryan on the Met Eireann forecast tonight after the news saying that upgrades possible tomorrow, stressed a number of times how this could be damaging.

    Earlier run this morning

    AROME18Z just out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    @Meteorite58 Interestingly it also has a pocket of exceptional strong winds for the midlands as the Aperge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Robwindstorm


    Another unusual feature of this storm is that high pressure is building quickly behind the system and causing an extra squeeze on the isobars. This is making the gradient similar to a deeper storm. This is explained on a forecast from the UK Met.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭ascophyllum


    Entire country orange a given maybe now? The timing is good in a way, 10pm-5am for most, most people at home, however lots stumbling out of Christmas parties to a violent North wind.

    Early morning Saturday looks impactful in Dublin Wicklow region, many are on the roads 6-8am.

    Going red for some counties won't inconvenience too many at those times - but where is the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Arpege as others have said is a significant upgrade!!

    Could the biggest night of the year get cancelled....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Aperge out to 7am now

    Big upgrade compared to earlier below



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    It is alright. Nationwide Orange looks more than likely. Will some areas see red, I don't think they should do that but it is a possibility



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Yeah it is actually derived from ARPEGE to a finer resolution from 5km to 1.3km, see below

    That is showing up around 140km/h gusts around Longford all right , very strong on windaward coasts up to 130 km/h and very strong in the SE and parts of the E.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Donegal Ken


    Yeah its a big upgrade on the ARPEGE tonight. Here is a better view for Ireland from it. Widespread severe & Damaging gusts.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I have to say these are the scariest looking wind charts I've seen posted here in a long time on a nationwide scale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Worth remembering the direction of wind as well, a gust from the N/NW will overall do more damage than a gust of the same speed from the SW/W.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,376 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Knock Airport TAF goes from gusts of just 25 knots at 9pm to gusts of 62 knots after 10pm. Anyone reading this thread secure anything loose tomorrow.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Some of the projected highest gusts on this run, bit hard to see but showing the SE straying into Red territory now gusting over 130km/h and parts of the midlands and possibly Kerry and Clare and parts of the NE like Sligo and maybe Donegal. All counties at orange initially at this stage, couldn't leave a county out ,those strong gusts could show up anywhere, lucky it is blowing through fairly quickly and clearing early morning with no school runs giving time to clear up. Lots of power outages.

    Could have thunderstorms also along coastal counites into the early hours with huge showers of rain and hail ,gusty day with squally showers to follow especially along Atlantic coastal counties.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The American models, GFS and WRF , look a bit underwhelming tonight, could be outliers like ECM earlier today, will see on the next run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Rain from the West


    True. This pressure chart from the GFS for early Saturday morning shows this nicely. From the east of Co. Down to SW Kerry there's a pressure differential of nearly 30 millibars. That's a lot for a small country like Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Ros4Sam24


    I would expect this event should be making headlines. Storms are being named and ramped far too easily these days and people are paying less heed, certainly not helped by the like of Galway Beo. Scary charts certainly



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