Are you affected by the housing crisis?

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166957#Comment_123166957

because we have a housing crisis with lack of supply, and our population has increased by 98,700 between April 2023 and April 2024.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2024/keyfindings/

and by just under 500k in 5 years. Take away the immigration and you suddenly have 500,000 less in the housing market.

Claw Hammer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169770#Comment_123169770

There was a population of 9 million in Ireland in 1846. Nobody should be complaining of overcrowding until that figure is exceeded.

reniwren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171219#Comment_123171219

Life expectancy was something like 40 too

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171219#Comment_123171219

Yep, lets all live like they did. After all it's a target number we should hit at all costs. Actually lets double it.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171219#Comment_123171219

That didn't end to well…are you forgetting the great Hunger??

You also had generations living in thatched cottages or tenements. No thanks, building regulations were also very different

tom1ie

we are not building enough houses because we don’t have enough builders and tradespeople.
So we have to import builders and tradespeople to build these houses but we have to house the builders and tradespeople so they can build housing.

We also have to provide more affordable rental but we are pushing LL out of the market and not building enough housing to then rent out affordability.
Rental is expensive due to the government keeping an artificial floor level in place via HAP.

Discuss.

reniwren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171326#Comment_123171326

Invest the 2.75 million spent per day on on ipas housing on apprenticeship courses and generally making young people's lives better. Tada builders.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166715#Comment_123166715

This…

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171219#Comment_123171219

Scraped from the Internet by ChatGPT ...

In Ireland in 1845, just before the Great Famine, the average house size and the number of people per house varied significantly based on class and region.

Average House Size:

Rural poor often lived in one-room cabins made of mud, sometimes as small as 10–20 square meters (100–215 sq. ft.).

More prosperous farmers and townspeople had stone-built houses, typically 50–100 square meters (540–1,080 sq. ft.).

Average Number of People per House:

The 1841 Census of Ireland recorded an average household size of about 5.3 people.

Many poorer families, particularly in rural areas, had 6–10 people per house, often living in cramped conditions.

By 1851 (after the famine), the population and household sizes had declined significantly due to death and emigration.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171219#Comment_123171219

Indeed, hospital waiting lists were non existent back then and teacher n creche shortages were a non issue back then too- the glory days!

reactadabtc

Yes I'm 29, living at home, working in tech. Thankfully I have a great home life and enjoy living with my parents. I'm lucky, many don't. I'm saving 2500 monthly, instead of paying that on rent, so I should be buying this year. However it's probably going to be an apartment in a nice area instead of house in a **** area. It will do me until I make more money.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123168399#Comment_123168399

I would wager the majority of buyers in new estates are not Irish.

I know it's the case in mine. Mainly Europeans, then Indians.

But let's be honest, they're all working, mainly in critical skills jobs. Two of the Indian families have husband and wife as doctor and nurse.

So we cant have a situation where we promote Ireland to skilled workers, then ban them from buying property, even temporarily.

If I was relocating my family to a foreign country then I wouldn't want to rent for long.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171467#Comment_123171467

I wouldn't call Amazon, Meta, Google, etc critical a critical skill job.

jamieon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171409#Comment_123171409

Your saving the average persons salary a year, and you say 'it will do until i make more money' 🤣. Good luck lad. Hope your coughing up a few quid to mammy and daddy

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123156944#Comment_123156944

Dunno. But it's a biased question to begin with.

Incidentally, rate of home ownership is higher in Ireland than it is in Sweden

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171515#Comment_123171515

2500*12 is 30k per annum, annual full time salary from the CSO is 42k. Or 1.5X what you mentioned.

He's smart, saving and buying a house. This is what folks did in ireland until the late 90s-early00s. You lived in digs at college and then with your parents or stay with mates (shared rental) until you marry and settle down in your own house.

This is why I don't say we have a housing crisis - we don't - we have a consumerism crisis. Folks in 0-3 year old cars both on PCP with a kid or two, complaining they can't afford a house in dublin.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171491#Comment_123171491

You can call it what you like, but these are generally termed critical skill jobs on the work permits given to Indians. I work with a lot of them and have done over my 15 years in finance. Oftentimes I'm the only Irish person in my team or org.

Critical skill here doesn't mean that it's life or death, it means that a business requires a role but cannot find someone locally with the skillset.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171534#Comment_123171534

what harm if they can't fill the role??

Sure they pay taxes, but the taxes paid don't cover the negative affects of putting pressure on already stretched services, housing, education, healthcare etc

take a walk up to Cherrywood, several thousand new homes. most occupied by people who were not in the country when planning was granted. So those have done nothing to help the housing situation

Gary_dunne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171528#Comment_123171528

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/01/03/number-of-homeless-people-passes-15000-for-first-time-since-records-began/

Ye there's no such thing as a housing crisis. Why don't the record number of homeless just sleep in their PCP cars.

I assume that you have a house and you got it through pure hard work and not having a Netflix account or going for brunch, ye?

Emblematic

At its simplest it is population growth outstripping the ability of the country to build housing units. Most of the solutions put forward by government don't really address this fundamental issue. Now it has got to the stage where it is difficult to bring in construction workers who might help solve the issue because they face unacceptable housing costs when they move here.

reactadabtc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171515#Comment_123171515

I don't want to be in a apartment for life, but I'm single so it'll do for now. If I could buy a house in a nice area, I would. Of course I'm paying up to my folks.

Gary_dunne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171677#Comment_123171677

With your ability to save that amount along with paying towards your parents, I'd wager that you have far above the average salary, you'd be able to buy a house in many nice area's, even in Dublin. Where in Dublin are you looking that you're struggling to find anywhere in your budget?

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123168399#Comment_123168399

I don't know whether it's 90%, but it does happen. Indeed, I do know of an Indian in work who owns a house rented to an Irish family.

In China, a foreigner can only buy a single property, and he or she may not rent it out. China also (wisely) does not recognise dual-citizenship.

https://wise.com/us/blog/buying-property-in-china

We, however, allow (indeed, encourage) Chinese investors to buy property here for the purpose of renting it out.

I'll be indulged a bit of a rant here, but this is what happens when the state is run by people who never, ever face real consequences for their behaviour in office, and I am NOT just talking about politicians; I include civil servants and other such parties.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171574#Comment_123171574

I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm explaining in what circumstances critical skills work permits are granted. If they can't fill the role at all then it will go to another country. Are you that xenophobic that you'd turn down tax income from someone and lose the role to another country based on nationality or skin color?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171580#Comment_123171580

Homelessness in Ireland is an industry. There are many "charities" that make a lot of money for their high paid CEOs by ensuring that there are homeless people. There are enough beds in hostels for everyone who is homeless. Someone known to me, single mother (not through choice, through abusive relationship ending) with two children was recently housed in under 3 months, and in the interim was put up in a hotel for "free". People who are on the street have one or more addiction issues mental health issues gambling issues or violence etc.

We purchased our house in 2022, when we could no longer afford to live in Dublin or Meath, we moved out to wexford. I could have claimed "housing crisis" but instead I decided to buy myself and my family a nice house in an area we could afford to live in. I make 6 figures on my own, my wife is on a fair bit less but still a good salary. We could have been tied to a 2k mortgage in Dublin for 35 years but it's just not worth it.

And yes, I did get where I am from hard work and sacrifice. We budgeted in excel each payslip. We saved every month a consistent amount. If we wanted to go for brunch and the only money left was the savings money we simply didnt go. We went years without foreign holidays. Still don't have sky tv etc as I cancelled it when we were saving and never bothered getting it again. It's not all "crisis". It's personal choices. What do you want, to pay your own way or to bleat about crises and wait for someone else to pay for it for you.

The only crisis we do have is the exponential increase in asylum seekers that are not dealt with in a timely manner. Meaning that we have to fund these seekers from the tax take for additional weeks or months or more.

Idbatterim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123167796#Comment_123167796

We don't have a middle class really. What the English deem middle class, we would deem wealthy. We have a colossal working class, just nobody likes to lable themselves thar ..

Idbatterim

Interesting, the social houses in the new block beside Dundrum shopping centre, are going to council tenants for e40 a week... but I suppose the lad paying paying e2200 is rich, and e2200 a month, is wealthy, on you know, like 50k a year etc ... Loooooooooollll !

The country is run by wasters, obsessed with waste and only to the benefit of a small cohort of wasters at the bottom, who the meeja deem untouchable and the parasites at the top table and believe me, you're not at their table no matter where you think you stand socially...

Idbatterim

They can save, but prices are rising so quickly, they are A) LIVING AT HOME AND B) GETTING FURTHER AWAY FROM THEIR GOAL

"@zell12 What is the source of your claim that the shortage of housing is a deliberate decision to preserve wealth of those with property assets? To organise this would be a massive undertaking involving 100's of thousands of people..Just because some people have this view, does not mean it's true."

all decision and policy makers, are they homeowners? Yes... do you see a conflict of interest there ?

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171985#Comment_123171985

what good is the tax intake if it’s costing the country more. Someone on 100k will pay about 40k. But they are taking up a property and pushing up prices as a result of supply and demand They are also using services , which cost money The government are then paying HAP to the person who can’t afford a place as the price has rose

What loss is it of the job goes to another country ? What benefits are we getting from having it here

it’s not xenophobic , we are discussing the housing crisis. Which is a result of our population growth. Largely cause by immigration.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171517#Comment_123171517

I don't think that's the correct metric though. Though it is not as good as it once was, people seem to have an overall easier time of finding housing in Sweden. It might not be home ownership but it seems much more of the norm that once people leave school or university and have their first job they move into some sort of apartment and start living independently. That does not seem to happen in Ireland and particularly not in the cities like Dublin.

Gary_dunne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123172017#Comment_123172017

Ah another thread “the country is run by wasters” remind us all again who you voted for in the last election? Oh ye those wasters you are again complaining about.

Kaisr Sose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171219#Comment_123171219

Referring to 1846 as the utopia or equilibrium between population and housing....that's a first!

Kaisr Sose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171677#Comment_123171677

Fair play to you on the saving and goal to buy. I am sure there must be other sacrifices in your life in terms of spending. I hope everything works out for you.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123172549#Comment_123172549

It was if you were a landlord, or better still, an absentee one. 😄 I think that's what "the market" is trying to get us back to as well.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171985#Comment_123171985

ELM327 wrote: "There are enough beds in hostels for everyone who is homeless."

However having a bed in a hostel is still considered homeless.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171491#Comment_123171491

The Department of Enterprise disagrees with you. Heres the definition

"Occupations such as ICT professionals, professional engineers and technologists"

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123173196#Comment_123173196

In their mandate it is. With regards housing it’s not.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123173196#Comment_123173196

The thinking of the department of enterprise may be outdated.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123174378#Comment_123174378

Maybe, but that's what they're dealing with.

Huge skills shortage in engineering, pharma, biomed, finance and more and huge pool of talent from abroad coming to fill it.

Anecdotally I was on a flight from China to Dublin recently. Full flight and no more than 10 non-Chinese on it. They're not coming here for the weather or the Guinness Experience.

I read today that Munster is the wealthiest region in the EU based on GDP per capita with all the pharma and tech.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123174421#Comment_123174421

GDP is not a good measure of financial well-being of the ordinary person though, particularly in Ireland with the presence of multinationals.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123175207#Comment_123175207

I wasn't suggesting it was.

I was using it to illustrate Ireland is a major hub of high tech jobs and is a reason why immigration is so high.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123174378#Comment_123174378

Probably, but we need to remember just whom we're talking about here. These are civil servants who are making these decisions, and their primary motivation is going to be what motivates ever state bureaucrat that has ever existed. Namely, what will keep me in pay and pension? Anything deleterious to the health of the nation is secondary to that, it would seem.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123176879#Comment_123176879

The Dept of Enterprise has a mandate to promote enterprise, and they're doing a phenomenal job of it given the billions of inward investment into the country.

The Dept of Housing is failing in it's mandate to provide accommodation to the people.