Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Ukranie, an example of people power

Options
  • 30-11-2004 7:48pm
    #1
    spanner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭


    its great to see where people coming out on to the streets to claim there rights to free and fair democracy in a peaceful manner finally win over, a lesson to us all to respect what we have


Comments

  • Options
    #2
    aidan_walsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    spanner wrote:
    a lesson to us all to respect what we have
    A government that nationally seems to be unpopular with yet keeps being voting back in?


  • Options
    #3
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    doodle_sketch wrote:
    A government that nationally seems to be unpopular with yet keeps being voting back in?

    Its the least worst system...!

    Mike.


  • Options
    #4
    daveirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


    This post has been deleted.


  • Options
    #5
    chewy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭chewy


    i keep hearing that of both this and even more so Georgia being fake revolutions


  • Options
    #6
    Alana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Alana


    Still you gotta give them some credit for freezing their behinds off...then again if the didnt vote for that kinda system they wouldn't have to.....nevermind, still standing outside for any lenght of time here let alone in the Ukraine is quite a feat.. :)


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #7
    arcadegame2004
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭arcadegame2004


    Yes. This protest is indeed welcome. Russia should mind its own business. It is hardly one to lecture on democracy given the destruction of the free TV-media and the intimidation, murder, poisoning and disappearances that happen in its own country! Quite the opposite! Yuri Luzhkov's (the Moscow mayor) warnings a partition or "blood on the streets" are quite unacceptable interference. He seems to want to recreate the disgraceful situations Russia has already created in respect to Transdniester (Moldovo), Abhazia (Georgia) and North Osseria (Georgia) with extremely gangster-type separatist puppet-governments protected by Russian troops. Notice how Moscow is refusing to accept the Abhaz election result where the government candidate lost. And a government is always going to find it far easier to rig an election and yet they still couldn't win! People in the region are tiring of Russia's bullyboy colonial mindset and actions.

    Russia needs to drag itself into the 21st century like the Western European former imperial masters that mostly withdrew from their empires long ago. Are reports of Russian and Belarussian security forces dressed Ukrainian uniforms landing in Ivano-Frankivsk airfield correct? I think the West, especially the EU, needs to start taking a more critical attitude towards Russia, especially in terms of attaching future conditions on loans to Russia, with respect to human-rights and avoiding threatening his neighbours. I am really fed up with how silent Western countries have been on the human-rights violations and steps away from democracy and freedom of the media that has been occuring in Putin's Russia.


  • Options
    #8
    bonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    arcadegame2004 wrote:
    Russia should mind its own business.

    Yeah...trying to weigh in on other nations elections....that should only be for western countries.

    jc


  • Options
    #9
    arcadegame2004
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭arcadegame2004


    bonkey wrote:
    Yeah...trying to weigh in on other nations elections....that should only be for western countries.

    jc

    Bonkey, if Russia was intervening out of concern about the election having been unfair then that would be fine. But it isn't. Despite massive evidence of electoral-fraud (the latest being the video footage of Yuschenko supporters being beaten with baseball bats by Yanuckovich thugs, and also Yushenko ballots being destroyed and government vans busing Yanuckovich voters from polling-station to polling-station to vote multiple times), Putin insists on congratulating Yanuckovich on 'winning' the election. Putin and the Kuchma/Yanuckovich regime have much in common, granted, but that is not a positive trait. They are both involved in closing down opposition and independent media. And now in rigging elections! The Kuchma government was well as involved in sinister disappearances including the Ukrainian journalist Georgy Gondzade whose body was found headless.

    So it is clear that Putin's intervention in this matter is a negative and not a positive. The mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov, has threatened Ukraine with "blood on the streets, or partition". Moscow's intentions are to recreate force the Ukrainian people to accept a Putin-style tyranny just to feed Russia's obsessive imperial fixations.

    We in the West, on the other hand, are involved because we believe that democracy should not just be for us, but rather is the right of all peoples. We must do all we can to prevent Putin's new Iron Curtain from being draped across Ukraine!


Advertisement