Scrapping the Reputation System

koneko

replacing the karma system with one that's only for For Sale would be a good thing, it would work a bit like the Ebay feedback then, it's the one place I see something like that being really useful, especially if you haven't built up a name for yourself on boards, but people have had smooth For-Sale-dealings with you.

Praetorian

GreeBo,

Muck only has 3 dots because he clearly knows sfa about sfa

GreeBo

Muck wrote:

I very much look forward to your personally starting a thread on the 'other uses' Dev .

ditto

Muck wrote:

I would see a karma system of sorts being linked to the for sale Boards as a form of muppet filter but it is otherwise useless from what I can see.

TIA

M

again I think it would need to be pretty complex because you would have to have some sort of contract system in place that only allows rep to be given when something is actually sold, and how do you define that?
Though I guess ebay has the same potential problem for false +'s and I still base my opinions on a users feedback there...

GreeBo

Praetorian wrote:

GreeBo,

Muck only has 3 dots because he clearly knows sfa about sfa

lol, damn if only I had +rep I could -rep you for that slander!

quarryman

here here on the For Sale Rep thing.

RicardoSmith

The rep systems as it stands serves no purpose other than to entertain. Have you looked at the trust systems used on other sites like OCUK and HEXUS?

Boro

Thats a nice idea Muck, but.. (and theres always a BUT!) what does the Reputation system actually contribute to Boards? Not a whole lot.

As it is, the rep system is pretty ineffective. Rep groups form and rep each other. Recently, there has been that thread on The Cuckoos Nest (which i unashamedly admit to pimping myself in). Theres always going to be people that gain rep from other sources than posting insightful or amusing posts - generally things that would be awarded with good Rep.

Then again, theres also Sico running around trying to gather as much neg rep as possible.

Does the rep system contribute anything other than the odd laugh, or hoarding instincts? I dont think it does. So limiting people to assigning rep, based on their forum usage probably wont contribute much either - apart from a whole load of work on the part of the implementors. So either scrap it totally, or leave it as it is.

Its not as if anyone is going to catch SMAK anyway!

Mercury_Tilt

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magpie

*watches the worms turn*

Doing away with Rep would lessen the Animal Farm atmosphere in boards which many of the Mods seem to love.

"2 legs bad... I mean I smell banned muppet..."

CuLT

My google search for Animal Farm yielded much disturbing pornography.

ERGO,

Boards.ie has too much porn.

magpie

My google search for Animal Farm yielded much disturbing pornography

Just how Orwell intended it.

amp

DeVore wrote:

Muck, I agree. It would be nice to have that sort of system alright but we dont.

I dont think the Rep system will last the year to be honest. Well, it might, but only cos we are all busy! Its another experiment but personally I dont think its a success. I think it has value for other uses though... we're giving them a bit of a think at the moment.

DeV.

I'd be interested to know why it's not a success and what the success criteria were.

I think rep has done a lot of good, it has encouraged creativity. Sure it's abused in rep whoring threads but I think that's outweighed by those who have recieved points for doing something funny, insightful or otherwise interesting when they wouldn't have otherwise.

Of course this aspect isn't seen as the only threads that appear in feedback about reputation are those from whingers complaining about how another user bad repped them unfairly (diddums).

Nice to see the usual suspects popping out of the woodwork to fight the system for the sake of it though. :yawn:

therecklessone

pam wrote:

I'd be interested to know why it's not a success and what the success criteria were.

<snip>

/me seconds all that Pam has to say.

Though I'd rather it was scrapped now than let the issue drag on in its current state indefinitely...

billy the squid

rep whoring threads are appearing because it has been allowed to do so.

was taking a look at one of the other boards websites recently boards.jp and they seem to have a lid on rep whoring.

i suggest it be reset and be more vigorously policed. no more rep exchange cliques, advertising rep for rep exchanges etc. no more ITT you get free rep, no more "can we scrap the rep system because someone gave me neg rep" threads.

not really much more to add on it really.

other than the fact that inverting the rep values last night was a very bad idea which caused alot of missunderstanding amongst people who were not aware of the change that was made.

GreeBo

pam wrote:

I'd be interested to know why it's not a success and what the success criteria were.

I think rep has done a lot of good, it has encouraged creativity. Sure it's abused in rep whoring threads but I think that's outweighed by those who have recieved points for doing something funny, insightful or otherwise interesting when they wouldn't have otherwise.

Of course this aspect isn't seen as the only threads that appear in feedback about reputation are those from whingers complaining about how another user bad repped them unfairly (diddums).

Nice to see the usual suspects popping out of the woodwork to fight the system for the sake of it though. :yawn:

Do you get dizzy up there on that high horse?
Nice to see the usual suspects -repping people for having an opinion on reps.
/me points at you and laughs. Ha. Ha. Ha. :cool:

billy the squid

actually pam didnt get the rep she has from rep whoring , she got most of that i suspect from doing what she did for SSF

perfectly good enough reason to rep someone.

therecklessone

billy the squid wrote:

rep whoring threads are appearing because it has been allowed to do so.

And a thread started as a joke is now on page 110 and is just shy of 2200 replies.

Close said thread.

And before anyone starts whinging "its easy for you, you've lods of rep", I'll happily take a chunk off my own if thats any help. I reckon about 1000 points should more than undo the +rep I got from that thread. Any admins willing to assist with that?

billy the squid

therecklessone wrote:

And a thread started as a joke is now on page 110 and is just shy of 2200 replies.

Close said thread.

And before anyone starts whinging "its easy for you, you've lods of rep", I'll happily take a chunk off my own if thats any help. I reckon about 1000 points should more than undo the +rep I got from that thread. Any admins willing to assist with that?

agreed

ive 1100 rep points roughly, if it would stop the whining then I would be happy to go back to 10 points. as long as the whiney threads were deleted and the rep whores were dealt with severly.

RuggieBear

therecklessone wrote:

And a thread started as a joke is now on page 110 and is just shy of 2200 replies.

Close said thread.

And before anyone starts whinging "its easy for you, you've lods of rep", I'll happily take a chunk off my own if thats any help. I reckon about 1000 points should more than undo the +rep I got from that thread. Any admins willing to assist with that?

i reckon it would be more magnanimous if you voluteered to be reset to zero...

amp

I did get quite a lot for the SSF but have most of my rep from threads were people find what I write funny. I got a shedload for doing that DeVore and the Admins pic and get some from writing limericks in the Cuckoos nest.

I don't do these things to get rep but it's great to have an easy private way to get feedback from people who normally don't like posting simply "lol". If the reputation system can cut down on these kind of one word posts then isn't that a good thing too?

tck

GreeBo wrote:

I think, at this stage it has to be seen as a failure.
When you have people sitting in the Cuckoos nest getting free rep I think its time to call it a day.
IMO the "problems" outweigh any possible benefits.
Can we add votes in Feedback?
It might be interesting to see what the general boards population think of the reputation system at this stage.

lol.. you really care about the reputation system?

Sleepy

Is there any way of hacking the rep system whereby only rep accumulated in the last month would be counted? Personally I think this would take care of a lot of the rep-whoring, hoarding and it'd make the rep more meaningful too...

just my 2c.

GreeBo

Can we stick a link onto peoples rep icons that links to the comments/threads related to said rep?
Thats how I judge feedback on ebay, I look into it and get a general view of the feedback a person has received. Its usually pretty easy to see if the feedback is genuine or not.
Right now when I see someone with ~40 posts and 10 green rep squares I usually dont spend too much time on their posts.

logic1

billy the squid wrote:

agreed

ive 1100 rep points roughly, if it would stop the whining then I would be happy to go back to 10 points. as long as the whiney threads were deleted and the rep whores were dealt with severly.

Man you're totally stocked up on "crazy" for Christmas aren't you. No one cares what you'd be happy to go back to. Rep means nothing so having it or not means nothing.

You can't use Rep as barter. This isn't World of Repcraft - The massively multiplayer online role playing game where you exchange rep, (gained from being witty, insightful and sometimes a whore) with Admins for changes to boards.

The rep whores were dealt with severly

The english language doesn't contain enough letters for me to even express my hilarity at this one. Why is there a need to deal with anyone severly or otherwise? Rep is given at users discretion. There were no rules imposed on giving it and rightly so. If there was a strict ruleset for posts where rep could be given then we wouldn't need rep cause we'd already know which posts deserve it or not. Kind of nullifies the whole deal really.

And you can't "severly deal" with people on the internet. It's not like it's going to be a lean Christmas in the Logic household because he got told off on boards.

If there was a way I could rep you a life I would. Sorry. There's not.

.logic.

GreeBo

Sleepy wrote:

Is there any way of hacking the rep system whereby only rep accumulated in the last month would be counted? Personally I think this would take care of a lot of the rep-whoring, hoarding and it'd make the rep more meaningful too...

just my 2c.

Id second that. Or maybe only let the last 10 (50, 100 , whatever) count towards rep.
Otherwise you miss label people who might not be frequent posters...

RicardoSmith

I apologies in advance for a stupid question. But can you do with rep points? They were running for ages before I realised they were in use! Most of the time I completely forget about them.

CuLT

logic1 wrote:

Man you're totally stocked up on "crazy" for Christmas aren't you. No one cares what you'd be happy to go back to. Rep means nothing so having it or not means nothing.

You can't use Rep as barter. This isn't World of Repcraft - The massively multiplayer online role playing game where you exchange rep, (gained from being witty, insightful and sometimes a whore) with Admins for changes to boards.



The english language doesn't contain enough letters for me to even express my hilarity at this one. Why is there a need to deal with anyone severly or otherwise? Rep is given at users discretion. There were no rules imposed on giving it and rightly so. If there was a strict ruleset for posts where rep could be given then we wouldn't need rep cause we'd already know which posts deserve it or not. Kind of nullifies the whole deal really.

And you can't "severly deal" with people on the internet. It's not like the it's going to be a lean Christmas in the Logic household because he got told off on boards.

If there was a way I could rep you a life I would. Sorry. There's not.

.logic.

POTM.

RuggieBear

GreeBo wrote:

Can we stick a link onto peoples rep icons that links to the comments/threads related to said rep?
Thats how I judge feedback on ebay, I look into it and get a general view of the feedback a person has received. Its usually pretty easy to see if the feedback is genuine or not.
Right now when I see someone with ~40 posts and 10 green rep squares I usually dont spend too much time on their posts.

I kinda like that idea....

but as for the 40posts bit....i see where you are coming from but you really shouldn't judge somebody on their postcount/rep/avatar....tis the post that's important!

although i have to admit until the blatant repwhoring began i too, did pay more attention to the rep levels of poster.....i found ita useful judge of quality/funny posts (eg: mycroft had a very high rep level but relatively low post count...had a look at some of his posts and they tended to be very well thought out and informative)

GreeBo

logic1 wrote:

Man you're totally stocked up on "crazy" for Christmas aren't you. No one cares what you'd be happy to go back to. Rep means nothing so having it or not means nothing.

You can't use Rep as barter. This isn't World of Repcraft - The massively multiplayer online role playing game where you exchange rep, (gained from being witty, insightful and sometimes a whore) with Admins for changes to boards.



The english language doesn't contain enough letters for me to even express my hilarity at this one. Why is there a need to deal with anyone severly or otherwise? Rep is given at users discretion. There were no rules imposed on giving it and rightly so. If there was a strict ruleset for posts where rep could be given then we wouldn't need rep cause we'd already know which posts deserve it or not. Kind of nullifies the whole deal really.

And you can't "severly deal" with people on the internet. It's not like it's going to be a lean Christmas in the Logic household because he got told off on boards.

If there was a way I could rep you a life I would. Sorry. There's not.

.logic.

A rep system with no rules is a bit like giving out Olympic medals to whoever has the best sponsor. It defeats the point and makes rep pointless and meaningless.

billy the squid

logic1 wrote:

Man you're totally stocked up on "crazy" for Christmas aren't you. No one cares what you'd be happy to go back to. Rep means nothing so having it or not means nothing.

You can't use Rep as barter. This isn't World of Repcraft - The massively multiplayer online role playing game where you exchange rep, (gained from being witty, insightful and sometimes a whore) with Admins for changes to boards.



The english language doesn't contain enough letters for me to even express my hilarity at this one. Why is there a need to deal with anyone severly or otherwise? Rep is given at users discretion. There were no rules imposed on giving it and rightly so. If there was a strict ruleset for posts where rep could be given then we wouldn't need rep cause we'd already know which posts deserve it or not. Kind of nullifies the whole deal really.

And you can't "severly deal" with people on the internet. It's not like it's going to be a lean Christmas in the Logic household because he got told off on boards.

If there was a way I could rep you a life I would. Sorry. There's not.

.logic.

your missing my point. my point is that the rep system has brought with it whiney threads that add nothing to the website as a whole. but the rep system if used properly can be beneficial to the site.

if resetting it to give it another try is what it takes then I am all for it.

all that crap about bartering and making deals is irrelevent.