Lost [Contains spoilers]

Hyzepher

A small point but I wold like to distance myself from some of those quotes I was suppose to have made

Hyzepher

doh.ie

Crap! Whoops, sorry about that. Have fixed it now. I swear, the spoiler and quote tags on this thread are slowly wearing away my sanity, especially when I reckon we'll all have seen the new episodes before we pop on here. (Maybe we could only spoilerify non-transmitted stuff and figure it's pretty much a given if it's aired that we've all seen it...?!)

ixoy

doh.ie wrote:

(Maybe we could only spoilerify non-transmitted stuff and figure it's pretty much a given if it's aired that we've all seen it...?!)

I'm for this. I vote that we only require spoiler space for non-transmitted stuff. That's only if you actually know some detail - through an interview or article for example - rather than just speculating based on what's already aired (in this case, no spoiler space is required).

I think we can assume that the latest episode will be discussed starting from around 12pm on the Thursdays (depending on our cousins and our own availability), so if you don't want to spoil yourself don't check this thread until you've seen the latest.

All ye others - basquille, cosgrove80, doh.ie, hyzepher, monkeyfudge, pickarooney and any others - have ye any objection to the aforementioned plan ?

Hyzepher

nope

doh.ie

ixoy wrote:

I'm for this. I vote that we only require spoiler space for non-transmitted stuff. That's only if you actually know some detail - through an interview or article for example - rather than just speculating based on what's already aired (in this case, no spoiler space is required).

Excellent. Not least because I'm starting to lose my tagging ability and misquoted Hyzepher by mistake yesterday! (You'll note I have to edit posts about a hundred times to get them right... Gah!)

Speculation is grand to be unspoilered cos it may or may not (more likely) not happen. Interviews can be dangerous, as can episode titles, who the episode is about, info from promos (pre-air) or excerpts from articles - if possible, we should still mention what's below before the spoiler bit, in case some people are less sensitive to titles/who the episode is about than other more revealing info. In my case, I'd rather know nothing until I've seen the episode, but I can see that some people don't mind knowing mild spoilers.

ixoy wrote:

I think we can assume that the latest episode will be discussed starting from around 12pm on the Thursdays (depending on our cousins and our own availability), so if you don't want to spoil yourself don't check this thread until you've seen the latest.

Agreed. I wouldn't come near here until I've seen the ep, spoilerified or not. Way too much danger of seeing something I shouldn't. Bear in mind, too, that this show isn't on air here anywhere through the usual channels, so most of us reading this thread will be viewing week to week and returning to discuss from Thursday/Friday/the weekend on.

ixoy wrote:

All ye others - basquille, cosgrove80, doh.ie, hyzepher, monkeyfudge, pickarooney and any others - have ye any objection to the aforementioned plan ?

No objection. I from Del Monte says "Yes".

monkeyfudge

Yeah. No objections here either. Our cousins should all be that much faster since monday anyway.

ElNino

Sounds good to me as I am sick of all the spoilers. This should apply to the US 24 thread as well.

I don't open this or the 24 thread on the day after airing anyway until I have watched the tape that my cousins have sent to me

Delta_ie

I don't thinks this has been mentioned before but the numbers 8 and 15 were two of the numbers Hurley used to win the lotto aswell as the connections mentioned earlier.

pickarooney

Fine by me, but preferably from midnight Thursday/Friday, as my tape arrives on Thursday while I'm at work and I don't get to watch it until that evening. Of course, I could just restrain myself from opening the thread, but I like the tangible air of expectancy during the pre-match build up

Our cousins should all be that much faster since monday anyway.

What happened on Monday?

doh.ie

pickarooney wrote:

What happened on Monday?

Was about to ask the same thing. I'm reckoning Esat/Eircom/other ISP bumped up either the download limits or upgraded the connection speeds to 1Mb. My provider didn't, but then it's been at 1Mb for a while now...

Basq

ixoy wrote:

All ye others - basquille, cosgrove80, doh.ie, hyzepher, monkeyfudge, pickarooney and any others - have ye any objection to the aforementioned plan ?

Nope.. no objections here! Seems fair enough.

So.. tonight's episode is last one until May.

Here's 5 clips from tonight's episode if anyone wants to see them: http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/lost.html

Haven't watch em myself so not too sure if they contain spoiler's or not.

And some good news.. Lost has been officially picked up for a 2nd season (although was there any real doubt it wouldn't).

doh.ie

Think there's a special episode airing on ABC on April 27th as well, a kind of first season retrospective (though I read elsewhere that it would be a behind-the-scenes special).

Basq

doh.ie wrote:

Think there's a special episode airing on ABC on April 27th as well, a kind of first season retrospective (though I read elsewhere that it would be a behind-the-scenes special).

Yeah.. forgot about that!

I remember reading somewhere that it would focus on Jack, Kate, Sayid and Saywer's (think it's those 4 characters) storylines but re-tell them from a different perspective.

Not too sure though!

doh.ie

Whatever it is, it won't be a new episode or contain anything new.

It may go back and reuse elements of flashbacks to tell those key stories in shorter form. Thank God they didn't try to pass that off as an episode proper. Looks like just an ABC filler until the next new one. I'd rather a behind-the-scenes show to a cheap 'bottle' one which is just rehashing old material, though.

Hyzepher

Interesting episode, I had a feeling that the Locke/Hatch storyline wouldn't make an appearance. A death and birth in the same episode - follows on from the black/white, bad/good theme running through the show. As ever next episode should be a humdinger (whenever it is?)

Will post more when others have seen it - spoilers present as it is very soon after airing.

Hyzepher

ixoy

Wahhhhhh!!! I'll admit to having cried for this one, right at the end when Shannon came back and they showed her the body. *sob* I was convinced Boone was a red herring - that Claire woudl die and that'd be a reason for Charlie to go back on the heroin they found last week. I was wrong...
Some of the medicine stuff had me wincing in shared pain..

I'm not sure I cared much for Jack's backstory tbh. Found it a little boring. Jack's committed to things - we get it. We got it a long time ago. Obviously he leaves her and that's how he broke his father's heart...

Claire's Baby of Evil is here with us. I wonder if there'll be any show by Ethan's people soon?

Locke - like the way Jack blames him and is off on a mission. It makes sense and Locke has only himself to blame for being so damned secretive. And it means we have to see the Locke storyline next week.

Oh and the episode titles for the final episodes are interesting, particularly the last one...

pickarooney

Meh, really poor episode I thought. They went for the totally obvious death/birth story and just played it for tears from about half-way. No real advancement in the story, but at least now we don't have to fret about our favourite characters being killed off (who really liked Boone?)
It was only a matter of time before we saw a glimpse of Jack's tragic romantic past - not quite enough to reveal anything significant about him, but also not enough to make us want to know more with any urgency. Not much more to add, very few clues or new trails and nothing to keep us speculating for the dry spell before the next episode. I might be being overly critical (again) but I'm only doing it because I love you, Lost, it hurts me more than it does you, etc.

cosgrove80

ixoy wrote:

All ye others - basquille, cosgrove80, doh.ie, hyzepher, monkeyfudge, pickarooney and any others - have ye any objection to the aforementioned plan ?

No objection. Usually watch it on a friday, so I'll have to be strong willed.

The island will tell me what to do.

monkeyfudge

ha... so we're not using spoilers now?

What I really liked about this episode was that we got to see all the characters doing something (except Locke). It's seems so long since we've cuaght up with Claire, Shannon and Sayid.

I guess it was better for Boone to go, rather than anyone else. He probably was the weakest character. I'm sure he'll still show up in Shannon's flash backs though.

I liked the fact that Boone wasn't even able to get his last words out. But now no one will ever know about the radio transmission that he picked up in the plane.

Oh... and anyone notice that Jack didn't have his tattoos in the flashback scene were they were being fitted for the suits?

Was there any 8 15 references this week? I can't say I spotted any...

Basq

monkeyfudge wrote:

I'm sure he'll still show up in Shannon's flash backs though.

Yes, Ian Somerhalder has confirmed we will see Boone again for the season finale when we get

more of an insight into the plane crash

monkeyfudge wrote:

Was there any 8 15 references this week? I can't say I spotted any...

Nope, didn't spot any references for 815 (only number i noticed this week was 44 on Jack's fiancee's pyjamas but doubt that's really important). But here's one for ye. The guys from Lost are on this week's Entertainment Weekly in the US.. but look at the Issue Number...

Click here to see the cover: http://www.aintitcool.com/images/ew_lost.jpg

A co-incidence? Probably not!..

Anyways.. onto my opinion of the episode..

Firstly, i would like to say that all the cast truly gave amazing performances in it... all seemed at the top of their game. Probably some of the best performances i've seen in an episode in quite some time.

I was very impressed with the episode overall. While i thought it was quite obvious Boone would die, it still was an extremely difficult episode to watch... from the intense "healing" of the fracture in Boone's leg, to the knitting needle piercing Boone's lung cavity (i presume) to allow him to breath after his collapsed lung, to the heart-pounding moment where Jack almost brought the metal door down on his leg!

While Jack's backstory didn't add a whole lot to the episode, it felt like it ran it's course pretty easy and seemed to fly by. They couldn't exactly have had a thrilling backstory to go along with the other 2 exciting storylines that existed already in the episode. The only thing the backstory really added was that him and his father did get along at some point, and that he'd left behind a wife (or ex-wife etc.). What i think the backstory mainly did for us was showed his motivation for wanting to save Boone. As his father said: "commitment is what makes you (Jack) tick. The problem is.. you're just not good at letting go!"

And as for the ending and the promo below, it looks like John Locke is in serious trouble!

Honestly though, 'Lost' is getting better and better as the week's go by and i think we're in for an amazing last couple of episodes this season. And just to back-up that statement: here's the VERY EXCITING looking promo for the next episode but i actually think it really reflects more on the upcoming episodes! Watch out for the very last shot in it...

no pun intended!

PS - Next new episode isn't til May 4th, by the way!..... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

pickarooney

monkeyfudge wrote:

Oh... and anyone notice that Jack didn't have his tattoos in the flashback scene were they were being fitted for the suits?

Those are actually Matthew Fox's own tatoos. You just don't see his arm below the curve of his left shoulder where they're located. (yeah, I was looking for some revealing interpretation of them on the web )

monkeyfudge

pickarooney wrote:

Those are actually Matthew Fox's own tatoos. You just don't see his arm below the curve of his left shoulder where they're located. (yeah, I was looking for some revealing interpretation of them on the web )

No. You do see most of the top half of his left arm. He's wearing a sleeveless vest too.

If they are his own real tatoos then they must have flipped the image around so they wouldn't be seen.

Basq

Was thinking about it there: and the only condition where i'd consider to stop watching 'Lost' right now is if the biggest of clichés occured and Claire decided to name her son Boone / Boone Jr / Boone the 2nd (or even Charlie)?!

Anyways... can ye think of any baby names she might decide on? Damien?!...

doh.ie

Ep 20 - "Do No Harm"

Hmm. Awful as it is to say, I didn't think this was a very good episode, not considering the excellent ones we've had in the past. In fact, next to Shannon and Boone's "Hearts and Minds", this is, to me, the weakest one we've had yet.

To start, Jack's flashback promised much, but delivered little. Worst of all, I think this badly needed a final flashback scene other than the wedding to wrap up. Now, the flashbacks tend not to jump forward in time much beyond the point they're retelling, so I'm not suggesting we needed to see Jack tell Sarah he wasn't up to marriage several months later. However, a scene where they are dancing at the wedding reception with a knowing look between Jack and his father, or maybe a scene in the bathroom where Jack is washing his hands, looks at the ring, then an anguished look in the mirror... Something like that would have helped bring some closure to the flashback story. I was still expecting more on that even during the final scene with Jack and Kate on the beach.

As it stands, what we saw only served to show us Jack's commitment, how bad he is at coping with losing a patient or giving up. And that was all perfectly well handled before in ep 11, the drowning in ep 5, and in the Boone scenes of this episode.

The strength of "Lost" is in large part on how much we care about the characters and their lives before the crash. A weak flashback story will just damage the interest we've built up in the group. For example, if this episode suggests a future flashback showing Jack’s ditching of Sarah, then unless there’s a hell of a twist, I don’t expect that will be too riveting.

And where was Jack’s mother? Hate it when shows don’t bring back actors you expect to see. Even a throwaway line from Sarah about, “Your mom’s still rearranging the flowers…” or something might have made that less odd.

I know I sound like I’m coming down way too hard on the flashback, and to be fair, it was entertaining enough, just nothing more. I just think that compared to previous flashbacks, this added little to Jack’s character or to the island elements of the story. In fact, overall it would probably have been even stronger if it contained a final flashback for Boone (maybe including the Theresa story), or another one for Claire (she’s due one again.)

Anyway, getting over the flashback issue, the island stories were pretty decent. I didn’t expect to see the vault or Locke in this, and the final scene suggests something big is coming on May 4th. Still wasn’t fully expecting Boone’s death, though he was the least developed character (alongside Shannon, but she’s getting better) and for such a huge cast, he was definitely the best one to axe. The potential amputation left me wincing. Was it just me (will have to rewatch), or did Boone’s “I know you made a promise, but I’m letting you off the hook…” seem also to serve as a potential line from Jack’s wife to him. Also, Boone’s “Where we are, there’s a chance…” suggests he thought he might be rewarded by the island in the same way Locke was if he’d kept his leg.

No showing of the reply from Boone’s distress call in the pre-teaser sequence, so the issue of “We’re the survivors…” vs “There are no survivors…” will have to wait for another day. Since no one but Boone knows about that reply, it’s a missed opportunity for him not to have told anyone about the transmission received. But at least the plane/hatch secret is out in the open now. I thought at once stage he was going to explain Locke’s legs as well. Jack probably believes “Plane…” refers only to their own Oceanic flight. Jack may well find this plane on his own, but it wasn’t as if Boone gave him any specific location information.

Claire’s baby storyline ran as I expected, no real surprises there at all. The theme of the island possibly giving life by taking it came up. Should have known that idea would spell the end for Boone. I suspect this baby may be kidnapped down the line. Since barely a month has passed in a single season, this child will be a child for ages (unless the island ages him overnight!). They may not want him to be around Cavetown for ages – may hamper Claire’s ability to get out and have other storylines.
(Another related issue – if Walt ages the way Jake on DS9 did, they’ll have to revise their month-per-season idea at some point and jump forward several months…)

Agree with Monkeyfudge – it does seem like ages since we’ve had proper scenes with Sayid, Shannon and Claire. Pickarooney’s right that there’s little in ep 20 to keep us guessing or coming up with theories (the way “Numbers” did), and ideally they should be aiming to have episodes like that before the several-week breaks.

Jack to Sun: “Don’t tell me what I can’t do!” – This is Locke’s line! It felt wrong to hear Jack say it.

All-in-all, very watchable, but still the weakest alongside ep 13 in my book…

doh.ie

basquille wrote:

Nope, didn't spot any references for 815 (only number i noticed this week was 44 on Jack's fiancee's pyjamas but doubt that's really important). But here's one for ye. The guys from Lost are on this week's Entertainment Weekly in the US.. but look at the Issue Number...
Click here to see the cover: http://www.aintitcool.com/images/ew_lost.jpg
A co-incidence? Probably not!..

44 - read about this on another forum. Apparently there are now 44 people left on the island, after Boone's death. The original 48 survivors lost the marshal (ep 3), the drowning woman (ep 5), Scott - or was it Steve?! - (ep 15) and now Boone. Very likely a hint to viewers before the event that this was going to be reducing the group by one more. (Is it just me or does it often feel like there are way less than 44 left?! I know Charlie went off to do the blood check this week, and before Hurley did the census, but in beach scenes, they're so scattered about, it never feels as big a number as that.)

The Lost issue number of Entertainment Weekly had me laughing. I'd love if they made the connection to that in the article inside, but I'm suspecting they won't. (Tower Records in Dublin stocks that magazine, by the way - got myself a special Lost issue of EW last December there),

Basq

doh.ie wrote:

44 - read about this on another forum. Apparently there are now 44 people left on the island, after Boone's death. The original 48 survivors lost the marhsal (ep 3), the drowning woman (ep 5), Scott - or was it Steve?! - (ep 15) and now Boone. Very likely a hint to viewers before the event that this was going to be reducing the group by one more.

I did actually consider this after watching the episode but then i presumed Claire's baby would have counted as another life.

doh.ie

Oh, yeah, you're right. That means there's 45 of them now. But the 44 refers to "original survivors", I suppose.

Hyzepher

This episode really shows the strength of the writers. A lesser show would be continuing to produce trill after trill to keep the audience figures up but Lost focuses as much on character development as it does on the trills/mysteries.

I thought Jack's use of the phase "Don't tell me what I can't do" was very interesting - shows the struggle between Locke and himself over control. Both similar but different.

The acting on this episode was excellent as was the music driven scene at the end where Shannon was informed of Boone's death.

All-in-all it was a moving episode for those of us who have really got into the show and now feel an attachment to even the minor characters.

I am glad the hatch/plane etc is now out in the open but it looks like the radio transmission wont be developed this season.

Hyzepher

Basq

Hyzepher wrote:

The acting on this episode was excellent as was the music driven scene at the end where Shannon was informed of Boone's death.

Yeah.. a great scene accompanied by a brillant instrumental piece of music!

Was used once or twice before.. when Charlie was being revived by Jack in episode 11 and Kate was breaking down.. that same song was used!

Excellent piece of music..!

Though i have to say i would definantly buy a Lost soundtrack if it was released. It has had some amazing songs, as well as instrumental pieces, used throughout the season. For example:

Damien Rice 'Delicate'
Blind Boys Of Alabama 'You Shall Not Walk Alone'
Joe Purdy 'Wash Away'

doh.ie

basquille wrote:

Yeah.. a great scene accompanied by a brillant instrumental piece of music! Was used once or twice before.. when Charlie was being revived by Jack in episode 11 and Kate was breaking down.. that same song was used!

Yep. I mentioned a Locke theme and a Charlie/Claire theme in a previous post. This one was in the previous Jack episode as well, so it may be a Jack's Theme, the piece they've chosen for use in Jack-centric ones. It was particularly well-suited to Jack telling Shannon about Boone's death.

Definitely agree on the soundtrack front - hope they have the sense to release one.

doh.ie

Hyzepher wrote:

This episode really shows the strength of the writers. A lesser show would be continuing to produce trill after trill to keep the audience figures up but Lost focuses as much on character development as it does on the trills/mysteries.

I agree that the show doesn't need to amp up the thrills to keep audiences interested; it's actually surprising that US audiences are happy to allow so much time for the stories to develop. This has been a rare exception on US TV in the past (Twin Peaks being an obvious example.)

Still think that if they're going to develop characters well, though, it needs to be *more* than what we got with Jack this week. That doesn't mean a mystery-encased story like Hurley's but it has to (I think) have a stronger edge than Jack's vows for a woman we've only just met and who isn't developed enough for us to feel much of anything for her.

Hyzepher

I think the latest Jack story will serve as a link to something yet to happen, and we'll all go "ah so that's why she...."

Hyzepher

doh.ie

Hyzepher wrote:

I think the latest Jack story will serve as a link to something yet to happen, and we'll all go "ah so that's why she...."

I agree - that's exactly how previous ones worked. Sawyer's first flashback set up his second, Kate's on-the-run flashback led to the one with the actual crime, Jack's discovery of his father's body in Australia led to the cause of his father's going there etc.

Only issue I have with this one, though, is that the material (Jack's marriage doubts) doesn't really seem strong enough to foreshadow a future story on the same topic, unless there's much more to it.

Something else I meant to include earlier when I was suggesting Boone could have had a second, final flashback (not least cos we'd have then believed that to mean he'd live) - it's very likely that the wedding company that Jack and Sarah used was the one run by Boone's company, suggesting another connection between survivors. (If this turns out to be the case, it's a pity there wasn't a piece of on-screen evidence - like Boone overseeing final preparations, maybe - to back that up in ep 20.)

pickarooney

Any substance to the losing legs theme? Locke, Boone, Jack's missus... probaly not.
On the tatoos, monkeyfudge is right, I hadn't wound back enough and we clearly see his whole arm and it's not in a mirror. I found this on a lost Forum (God, I've little to be doing!).

in an interview with JJ on a radio station, he reveals that those are in fact Fox's real tattoos (way to go jcrew ) and that they plan on incorporating them into the story.....so yea, maybe it'll have to do with a tougher life before he got his MD license?

only time will tell

If anyone wants to read over some transcripts, here you go

Basq

By the way.. if anyone wants that brillant piece of instrumental music (referred to by doh.ie earlier as 'Jack's Theme'), i did my best to rip it from the video.

Download here! (at a bitrate of 224kbps.... best i could do!)

doh.ie

Nice capture, Basquille. Unlike other shows which release soundtracks of their instrumental music (24, I'm talking to you - why bother?!), a potential Lost CD would be ace. This tune, and the other themes they've used so far are top-notch compositions.

More Lost media downloading to tide us over until the next new ep in May (or the Special on April 27th) over at www.lost-fans.de. OK, so the site is auf Deutsch, but they've got some cracking promos from Pro7's launch of the series a few weeks back. Channel 4/E4 went to Oahu to film promos with the cast for the UK launch later in the summer - hope they do as good a job as the Germans did with some of theirs. They even did a 7-day countdown to the launch, which aired on some ad break bumpers during the day. Still, like the US, they used Charlie's "Guys,... where are we?" quote from the end of the full-length pilot/ep 2, which I always thought was a poor move, seeing as how that'd ruin that moment when it came around in the episode proper.

Also a chance there to catch the actual Lost credits (albeit squeezed to the top half of the screen) on the German promo for 1x03. We've never seen those cos the US no longer carry end credit titles, preferring to promo the upcoming programme or the next week's episode. No clue either as to what kind of music the credits have cos the Germans are running a promo as well. (No more than Pickarooney, I also have little to be doing, clearly...)

digiman

Thought it was a very good episode. Watched the trailer for the next one. Can't wait to see it. Why do we have to wait untill the 4th of may to watch it when the episode has already been made. Here is something I found from the tvtome website. It lists there being a few more eps after the season finale. They are called exodus 1,2,3. Anybody know what they are about?

http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/eplist.html

digiman

Just something I noticed on another website. Remember back to one of the first eps Boone says to Jack to do one of those pen things, ironically jack does this to try and save boone. Also another thing from the website.

In episode #11, All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues, Boone and Locke are tagging trees with red shirts to make a trail, and Boone is doing the tagging, and mentions that the Star Trek team members who got killed every episode wore red. Now that this episode has happened, it seems like it was a premonition about Boone's death.

Basq

digiman wrote:

Thought it was a very good episode. Watched the trailer for the next one. Can't wait to see it. Why do we have to wait untill the 4th of may to watch it when the episode has already been made. Here is something I found from the tvtome website. It lists there being a few more eps after the season finale. They are called exodus 1,2,3. Anybody know what they are about?

http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/eplist.html

Exodus 1, 2, 3 are the season finale. The season finale will altogether be 3 hours.. the first hour will be shown on May 18th, titled Exodus 1. The concluding 2 hours (Exodus 2 and 3) will be shown the following week.

The reason there's a break is (it's actually referred to as an 'hiatus') is (i'm actually not too sure on this) but it's something to ABC, who shows Lost in the US, wanting to show the season finale during May Sweeps, the best time of the year for viewers apparently.

By the way, i've a feeling that trailer for the next one is more for the next couple of episodes leading up to the finale. I don't think all the material shown in that promo will happen in the next episode.

digiman wrote:

Just something I noticed on another website. Remember back to one of the first eps Boone says to Jack to do one of those pen things, ironically jack does this to try and save boone. Also another thing from the website.

In episode #11, All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues, Boone and Locke are tagging trees with red shirts to make a trail, and Boone is doing the tagging, and mentions that the Star Trek team members who got killed every episode wore red. Now that this episode has happened, it seems like it was a premonition about Boone's death.

Some nice coincidinks there! I'd like to think the writer's of 'Lost' planned all this stuff but not too sure!

For anyone who's interested.. here's eome interesting little tidbits revealed in Entertainment Weekly about the rest of the season.

Entertainment Weekly wrote:

We'll find out who hit Sayid in the back of the head when he was trying to get a radio signal.

The last episode will have a flashback to the original flight. So Boone will be back! But only through a flashback.

No mysteries on Lost have been written with an answer to the problem.

We'll find out why Sawyer was at the police station in Boone's flashback soon.

The raft will sail eventually. But who will be on it is the mystery.

Charlie will find out about the plane with heroin and his temptation will return.

Hurley will find out the numbers are on the hatch, and it will be an interesting episode.

Locke's motive for keeping the Hatch secret will be found out soon.

digiman

basquille wrote:

Exodus 1, 2, 3 are the season finale. The season finale will altogether be 3 hours.. the first hour will be shown on May 18th, titled Exodus 1. The concluding 2 hours (Exodus 2 and 3) will be shown the following week.

Thats brilliant, I thought that there was only 2 more episodes left.

basquille wrote:

By the way, i've a feeling that trailer for the next one is more for the next couple of episodes leading up to the finale. I don't think all the material shown in that promo will happen in the next episode.

I think you are probably right on that, It really is leading up to a fantastic ending.

basquille wrote:

Some nice coincidinks there! I'd like to think the writer's of 'Lost' planned all this stuff but not too sure!

Would like to think the same myself, but doubt it, there is just so many things that occur like this that its hard to believe that they meant for them all to happen. If they did they are the best writers ever in my opinion.

doh.ie

I hear RTÉ are due to kick off Lost on May 2nd - no suggestion of which channel it is likely to be (but really could end up being either RTE1 or 2...) If it's RTE2, it's likely to be 10pm-11pm. If Proof 2 finished in time, it could be RTE1 after the news...

I suspect the more 'frightening' elements mean a pre-8pm slot (as something like Alias would have had in the past) isn't so likely.

ixoy

doh.ie wrote:

If it's RTE2, it's likely to be 10pm-11pm. If Proof 2 finished in time, it could be RTE1 after the news... .

If it's RTE2 it's more likely to be 10pm-11pm for the first six weeks, moved to a 2am slot, vanish for fifteen weeks, and reappear Sunday at 2pm before being pulled two weeks before the finale and showing the finale six months on... :rolleyes:

tvnutz

lol ixoy...so true

doh.ie

ixoy wrote:

If it's RTE2 it's more likely to be 10pm-11pm for the first six weeks, moved to a 2am slot, vanish for fifteen weeks, and reappear Sunday at 2pm before being pulled two weeks before the finale and showing the finale six months on... :rolleyes:

Funny. Or an entire series shown in the right order, on the same night consistently, but no future seasons shown at all, and a denial that the show was ever on RTE if anyone asks any questions down the line...

Basq

Yeah... maybe Irish viewers might take a liking to it though.

If you look at it's viewer's around the world, currently consistently 2nd in ratings in Germany and Australia.... but then again, wouldn't be too sure about the Irish audience!

I'd say RTE2 will show it, to be honest!... i don't think RTE1 would take a risk on a new US drama show like that.. it's alright for ER, CSI as they're safe and successful.

Anyways, i do hope it does well with the Irish audience..... but i really doubt it!!

doh.ie

I'm sure that Irish audiences *will* warm to the show, just as much as they have to Desperate Housewives and other US hits. However, it will get a much stronger mainstream audience here if they (wisely) opt for RTE1, in the same way ER, The West Wing, CSI are considered to be the strongest imports. However, if RTE for any reason label this as sci-fi/fantasy, it'll immediately be dumped on RTE2. Should still do well there, but not as much as it would no RTE1. (It's the usual BBC1/2, ITV/Ch4 syndrome.)

ER was on RTE1 from the start (not sure about CSI), though I think West Wing originally started on Network 2.

They do occassionally take risks, putting newer imports on RTE1 and I'd like to think they considered Lost to have this level of potential. Putting it on the old 'Comedy Night' on RTE2 might not be so wise, as viewers just won't know what to expect.

I'd say E4/C4 will have much stronger launch for the show later in the summer, complete with cast idents/promos and a proper marketing effort. (I bet they'll have Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Co. on those promos which ask actors questions and just edit together their replies as well.)

Basq

doh.ie wrote:

However, it will get a much stronger mainstream audience here if they (wisely) opt for RTE1, in the same way ER, The West Wing, CSI are considered to be the strongest imports. However, if RTE for any reason label this as sci-fi/fantasy, it'll immediately be dumped on RTE2. Should still do well there, but not as much as it would no RTE1. (It's the usual BBC1/2, ITV/Ch4 syndrome.)

Am i only one that thinks the opposite is true?...

OK, we all know the potential audience on RTE1 is much greater than on RTE2. You need only to look at the weekly TV figures to reach this conclusion.

For example (week ending April 03):

RTÉ ONE DAY VIEWERS
1. Late Late Show Fri 521,000
2. Fair City Thu 512 "
3. Fair City Tue 493 "
4. No Frontiers Tue 488 "
5. Show Me The Money Thu 470 "

RTÉ TWO
1. Desperate Housewives Tue 328 000
2. Van Wilder Thu 213 "
3. Home and Away Tue 191 "
4. Racing Mon 190 "
5. Premiership Sat 188 "

But also looking at that... (and i don't mean to sound too harsh here).. but the shows on RTE1 are typically aimed at a much older audience than the shows on RTE2. I'm not saying that these shows on RTE1 can't be enjoyed by a younger audience but just thinking of two such examples:

RTE1: Nationwide, Reeling In The Years etc.
RTE2: Scrubs, Desperate Housewives etc.

I'm not too convinced that Lost will do better on RTE1... but judging by RTE2's Comedy Night, i think Lost will definantly be shown on RTE1.

I do hope it does well over here.. as it's truly an amazing show. One of the best shows in a long long time! But i'm still not sure how the Irish audiences will take to it.. especially if being shown on RTE1.

Oh.. and by the way... here's a new promo for the rest of the season of 'Lost' - not much new scenes in it compared to the last promo i posted except for the clear use of "We're The Survivor's Of (Flight) 8-1-5"

Kazaanova

At least that last promo clears up the "We're the survivors of flight 815" thing. I don't get that at all, why would someone say that? It's like the other person was used to having debates about who the survivors of flight 815 were. Personally I think the exact same plane crash happened 20 years ago with a different group of people, the survivors all went insane, and one of them was answering Boone. It kind of sounded like something Ethan would say. I've no idea with the general speculation is, so sorry.

Anyway, I just watched every episode to date within a week then found out I have to wait untill May now. That was not a nice feeling. My original plan was "I'll just watch the first episode and see what all these Americans have been going on about", then its 19 episodes later.

I'm not going to watch it on TV over here, not sure how it will do on RTE but I know that C4 will handle it very well. How come Sky diddnt get it? Seems like their kind of show. I've never bought a TV show on DVD but I'm glad to say Lost will be my first, should be out here before Christmas right? Its September in the States.

doh.ie

Kazaanova wrote:

At least that last promo clears up the "We're the survivors of flight 815" thing. I don't get that at all, why would someone say that?

For now, some of the options are:

1) another group of survivors from the *same* flight, including Rose's husband
2) based on Sawyer's reading of "A Wrinkle in Time", maybe kind of parallel dimension, time shift techno-wotzit thing with the current Lost cast in the future (I do not like this option - the producers say this all has a basis in the 'real' world and if they go all mad sci-fi on it, it will probably cause mainstream US audiences to switch off)
3) As you say, a different crash with a different bunch of people that happened to have the same flight number, maybe even that light aircraft from ep 19 (by the way, not much chance that could have travelled very far into the middle of the Pacific, is there...?). Only thing that makes me doubt this is Boone's use of "Oceanic Flight 815..." in his distress call - unless the word Oceanic was not transmitted, this would suggest the "we're" people were on the same flight

Kazaanova wrote:

Anyway, I just watched every episode to date within a week then found out I have to wait untill May now.

Just the way US TV works, I'm afraid. Though there may be a move to do new programming all year round. Alias on ABC and 24 on Fox, have run their entire seasons this year without any breaks, but to facilitate this, both started in January instead of the usual late September/early October.

Kazaanova wrote:

I'm not going to watch it on TV over here, not sure how it will do on RTE but I know that C4 will handle it very well. How come Sky diddnt get it? Seems like their kind of show.

C4 got in quick for both Lost and Desperate Housewives. Originally, as it happened, Sky were not interested in Lost at all. As far as I remember, by the time Sky realised both were going to be a hit in the US, it was too late. (The original Desperate Housewives pilot had a largely different cast, so its redone version was stronger, making Sky's original decision understandable - however, the Lost pilot was largely identical, except for a few shuffled scenes and music changes, so Sky should've known they had a potential hit on their hands at that early stage last May.

Kazaanova wrote:

I've never bought a TV show on DVD but I'm glad to say Lost will be my first, should be out here before Christmas right? Its September in the States.

It will be out in September on Region 1; but Region 2 may take a bit longer, even as far ahead as beyond Christmas, as I doubt C4 will want it released on DVD before their broadcasts of season one end... (a bit like Sky and 24.)

doh.ie

basquille wrote:

But also looking at that... (and i don't mean to sound too harsh here).. but the shows on RTE1 are typically aimed at a much older audience than the shows on RTE2.

I could see an older audience "getting" Lost (hmm, "Get Lost!" as a promo tag - has that been done already?), but as much as I'd want that, and it to become a talked about show, it is likely the younger audience won't be as likely to see it on RTE1. (Still, I consider ER a "young" show, and that's been on RTE1 since day one.)

Incidentally, I would have put Desperate Housewives on RTE1 as well, if I were scheduling it, and putting such a strong import on RTE2 makes me wonder if they'll do the same with Lost. I'd still rather RTE1 for sheer mainstream impact though. There must be thousands of "older" folk who never turn over to RTE2.

basquille wrote:

I'm not too convinced that Lost will do better on RTE1... but judging by RTE2's Comedy Night, i think Lost will definantly be shown on RTE1.

Unless they're quitting Comedy Night for the summer...

basquille wrote:

But i'm still not sure how the Irish audiences will take to it.. especially if being shown on RTE1.

One thing I can see happening is this. People in general seem to often have trouble committing to a show week-to-week. Some see one a month, others can get a few in a row, get into something, but won't mind missing out on a key episode at all! So in terms of Irish people getting in on this, it'll be largely only if they're committed enough not to miss any. (The whole dipping in and out of a show is a big bug bear with me! If you're going to do a show justice, and until it jumps the shark or goes completely downhill, stick with it! Don't come back in a week or three and go, "How did Boone get injured...?")