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05-06-2000 1:59pm#1
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Puts me in mind of Aine Ni Chonaill, the leader of the Immigration Control Platform, being a teacher of history in Clonakilty, Co. Cork.
Oh! lol, Miss Ni Chonaill. She was my next door neighbour in Rosscarbery. She was a difficult topic to approach, because a lot of people supported her because of the good stuff she did in the area and saying she wasn't half as bad as people to say.. and stuff, while others were very strongly against. you know the way. Her house is an old broken down thing with rats in the ground floor and a 40 watt - yes, 40watt lightbulb and no curtains
she doesn't like me because i captained the team that knocked her Irish team out of Diospoireacht Ghael Linn (yes, i did take part, but only because the teachers made me and i had a load of free classes) but the thing was, the debate was a big Nationalist thing, and I was putting forward the (extreme) nationalist arguments
anyway, rambling... humanities... uh..
yes, the Irish can be some of the most mean-spirited, ignorant pri<ks when they want to be. It reminds me something someone said to me as a youngfella in america. him being black, he says: "James, though we are blessed with your presence in america, my father has always told me that the Irish hate the blacks, and i could never go to Ireland on vacation because i'd be beaten up." That is how some people see it over there, but that is gone too far. As it is, tis part of the culture and stuff to look down on other races and ethnic minorities and stuff, you know the jokes that everybody tells and stuff.
god, rambling again... 4.12... uh...
Those two people in Tesco's were just ignorant
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lol at the rest of the thread too. When i was a youngfella in america, i swear, i would get adults saying: "I'm 30% Italian, 30% Porto Rican, 30% Cape Verdian, and 30% Irish." yes, i know thats 120%, but they didn't. anyway, oh, i was the pet of so many teachers because i was irish, and "so were they". unfortunately, half of them didn't know where Ireland was.
A very educated and intelligent 5th grade teacher once said to me, quite seriously: "what, they have cars in ireland?"
You wouldn't believe the surprise when i told him we also have televisions.
Anyway (rambling) everyone over there was irish, that was very funny. but i suppose, they're more irish than they are anything else, because they don't see themselves as american (what is american?) and most of them have irish grandparents anyway. So, while they're not 30% irish, they are partly irish and sure, what other nationality would you want to claim
btw, while the last post consisted partly of lies and exaggerations, everything in this post is the absolute truth.0 -
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On the assumption that there weren't/aren't many immigrants in Roscarberry, any idea why Ms. Ni Chonaill is such an odious fascist, ikillya?
I somehow doubt she's exactly been living in a multicultural melting pot down there but that must mean she's just being an ignorant rascist and judging everyone before she meets them.....
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Originally posted by Illkillya:
A very educated and intelligent 5th grade teacher once said to me, quite seriously: "what, they have cars in ireland?"
You wouldn't believe the surprise when i told him we also have televisions.
ROFL Actually my brother (who's probably reading this thread) did an interview for an American local newspaper when he spent a year in the US. He told them that people don't have cars and walk around the place a lot and they wrote it as if you were a rich landlord if you owned a car.
Of course when I actually went to the same place he was I understand what he was getting at. The place is basically "car culture" so he was saying "look you can still lead a normal life if you don't own a car" but before knowing that the story was hilarious.
Think he also fed them the usual "we all ride donkeys" type BS.
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hehe, i know the way. sometimes, after hearing "lepreachauns don't really exist, do they?" for the 4th time in 1 day, you put a bit of variety in your answer.
"oh, they do exist, but not as you know them. They're actually like a species of small, hairless monkey, very intelligent, but considered a pest in most areas. We usually just leave some rat poison around for them, but if you stamp on the, green blood oozes out..."
if you're really serious in your reply, they don't know whether to believe it or not
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Originally posted by Illkillya:
hehe, i know the way. sometimes, after hearing "lepreachauns don't really exist, do they?" for the 4th time in 1 day, you put a bit of variety in your answer
Reminds me of some Irish Comedian telling his conversation with some American. The American asked how could he handle living in a war zone? He replied it was rough trying to get to work in the morning with the snipers out on the street and you normally had to wait until the soliders pulled up in armored transport to get there.
... While waiting for the Shaft Movie to start the other day, they have these "Did you know" type adverts that come up in a slide show. One of them had the following...
The Movie "Angelas Ashes" found it so hard to find an authentic slum in Dublin had one built (go figure).
However two girls sitting in the row in front. One goes to the other "You would reckon they would have loads of slums what with the famine there".
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Shot man!
I totally agree. We used to own a shop and the knackers were the worst. I've had to "escort" them from the premesis (after I made them remove all the items from their jackets etc).
One of them raised a fist to me but had a size 11 Doc Marten in his face so fast he didn't know what hit him. His friends saw the mess I made of his face, picked him up and never returned.
My Mum (shop owner) saw this and couldn't believe I'd done it - she then burst out laughing and congratulated me!
This of course was at a time when I was doing Karaté 2 nights a week for 2 hours a time and was actually able to kick at the same level as my head
Just one of many of my strange little stories from my days of "public service" kind of work.
All the best,
Dav
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sound just like what the Americans did to the Irish at one time so in fact you come from a long line of knackers!Originally posted by Kharn:
Shot man!
I totally agree. We used to own a shop and the knackers were the worst. I've had to "escort" them from the premesis (after I made them remove all the items from their jackets etc).
One of them raised a fist to me but had a size 11 Doc Marten in his face so fast he didn't know what hit him. His friends saw the mess I made of his face, picked him up and never returned.
My Mum (shop owner) saw this and couldn't believe I'd done it - she then burst out laughing and congratulated me!
This of course was at a time when I was doing Karaté 2 nights a week for 2 hours a time and was actually able to kick at the same level as my head
Just one of many of my strange little stories from my days of "public service" kind of work.
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There are stupid people everywhere. When you get 250 million people, you're bound to have more stupid peeps. Doesn't mean that they all are.
America is very self absorbed, so much so that they rarely bother to make sure that what they teach about the rest of the world is up to date (or even correct). My cousin, a bright enough lad, recently got a B+ in maths. He actually got a C- but got bumped up to B+ 'for effort'. Fair enough, they want to encourage the lad to try and they want to reward him for making a decent attempt and , with the almost incredible measures for avoiding 'psychological trauma' they didn't want to discourage him by giving a low grade. But to reward someone for sitting an exam by giving him a grade hike (of that amount especially!) is ridiculous. Technically, I could go and sit a Harvard Business school exam and make a decent enough effort, perhaps even enough to get a pass (hmmm, maybe not), I certainly wouldn't mind getting a grade jump just because I know less than everyone else and attempted to do the same paper! I might even get an honour out of it!!
Point is, Americans aren't stupid or idiots. The average American is just trained, and conditioned NOT to think as much or rather not to question as much as the average Irish kid. When I was in school, I got some pretty low test results but I worked my **** off to make sure I didn't fail, in America more reward comes for effort than result.
It's just two different ways of thinking.
And America *has* produced some pretty quick minded businessmen, scientists, mathematicians, authors, poets etc. Their approach to thinking seems to work for some people, for the rest, there's always uber-nationalistic pride.... (not that we have that sort of blind patriotism..)
On the subject of bigotry:
Did anyone do that survey about the most racist country in Europe? I read the questions they asked. One of them was:
"Would you notice a man was black if you passed next to him on a crowded street?"
Now I'm fairly open minded. I don't say "Blacks should be slaves to the superior white race", I certainly don't consider myself a *agressively* racist or bigoted but I would have to answer YES to the question above.
We're a small island nation of pale skinned people. Of COURSE I'm going to notice a different skin tone! Just like I'd notice a punk with bright purple hair, or a Goth-crow-wannabe-or-maybe-matrix-can't-really-decide-but-boots-look-cool-and-huge-anyway type. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore him, be rude to him, tell him to leave my country!
On the other hand, I was recently having a quiet pint and I got taken for a foreigner by two old lads (when I say old I mean they could be anywhere between 40 and 60, it was impossible to tell). Later, after they had a few, one of them starts on at me about being an immigrant and taking his job. I stayed calm while he shouted and insulted me. I said nothing when he announced that he would quite happily "put a ****ing bullet in my head". To me *that's* racist. Not this 'noticing' or even saying a generalisation like "African people have black skin and white teeth". Anyone that knows me, knows that I am pretty much not foreign looking. Thank fu<k yer man didn't ask me my name ignorant *****... 0 -
This is the converse of the stupid people point - they are bound to produce a lot of intelligent people when there is 250+ million of them.Originally posted by LoLth:
And America *has* produced some pretty quick minded businessmen, scientists, mathematicians, authors, poets etc.
there's always uber-nationalistic pride.... (not that we have that sort of blind patriotism..)
Made worse by hollywood 1984-like rewritting of history like in the film U-784 (or whatever the film is called). "If we didn't get the engima, you would have been beaten by Germany!" And you *know* some people will think it is true...
Did anyone do that survey about the most racist country in Europe?
Where is it?
I would as well - there were a few asians and indians where I grew up but there were no blacks (I don't think there are any even now). It is definity more of a "oh look. he's black" than the "oh look at there's a kaffir"
"Would you notice a man was black if you passed next to him on a crowded street?"
My boots are great! Leave them alone! And I got them before the Matrix was out (I think...)
Goth-crow-wannabe-or-maybe-matrix-can't-really-decide-but-boots-look-cool-and-huge-anyway
Where was that? I would have turned round and said in my biggest cluiche accent "Moi family been 'ere for near on 500 years."
On the other hand, I was recently having a quiet pint and I got taken for a foreigner by two old lads (when I say old I mean they could be anywhere between 40 and 60, it was impossible to tell). Later, after they had a few, one of them starts on at me about being an immigrant and taking his job. I stayed calm while he shouted and insulted me. I said nothing when he announced that he would quite happily "put a ****ing bullet in my head". To me *that's* racist.
Anyway you're only an itite blow in
Draco
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Just outsource to India it's much cheaper.
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