McGuinness: Tsunami should spark new eco-approach

A Dub in Glasgo

Sparks wrote:

Probably because most of his speech was gibberish on the same level that you'd expect when Sting tries to make a political speech. And he did imply the two were linked, he said "Ecologists have been telling world leaders for years that climate change associated with global warming is a disaster waiting to happen. Few governments were listening." As was said earlier, if he wasn't trying to link the two, he'd have said "Few governments are listening"

Right so you are condemning his speech because he is not an ecologist or an environmentalist? Scraping the barrell for a whole thread to be devoted to the use of 'were' and 'are'!

The guy's outside a grieving family's home, there are over 140,000 dead and the count rising fast, and he's going to make some half-assed, incoherent speech about environmentalism which he doesn't even understand himself? "Poor taste" is a very generous description.

Your defintion of poor taste obviously differs to mine. What he was linking to was factual. If the 'world' does not get their collective fingers out of their backsides, a similar devastation effect will happen again through some sort of climate change/global warming. Surely that is not controversial?

They did have a warning system, but a key part of it had no communications link to pass on the warning.

Yep and that is what I would call poor taste. Maybe the Indonesian Governmnet were too concerned playing with their military toys. Then again, maybe raising that matter is in poor taste!

On the basis that he gave a speech filled with buzzwords without any indication of deeper knowlege.

Listen to any political speech and you will hear the same. Hell, go to any 'high-powered' business meeting and you will hear the same. The people with the deeper knowledge are usually the specialists.

I mean seriously - does he not think that measles and malnutrition require more urgent action than debt cancellation which would take months to kick in? Grand, you don't have to pay off foreign debt anymore, but you've got no infrastructure, no revenue streams going, no foreign investment, no medical staff, no medicine to distribute... get the idea? If he'd thought about it for ten minutes he'd have seen that you need outside aid for urgent assistance in these cases, at least in the initial months. Instead, he's calling for debt cancellation instead of further funding of the Red Cross and similar groups.

So you condemn Gordon Brown in the same manner?

I'm going to be nice and not make comments on Inter Cert English.

You already have made a comment by your reply so don't hide behind that one. Comment away.

Sparks

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Right so you are condemning his speech because he is not an ecologist or an environmentalist? Scraping the barrell for a whole thread to be devoted to the use of 'were' and 'are'!

Really? So if he says something that's stupid, you say the words don't matter, and if he says something you agree with, then he's a great statesman?
Pah.
Fact is, he implied a connection, and there isn't one.

Your defintion of poor taste obviously differs to mine. What he was linking to was factual.

No, it wasn't. It was a large collection of buzzwords thrown together into an incoherent speech that even Scott Adams would have found too silly for words.

If the 'world' does not get their collective fingers out of their backsides, a similar devastation effect will happen again through some sort of climate change/global warming. Surely that is not controversial?

It certainly is - the kinds of damage caused by climate change happen over decades and are far less severe and far more long-lasting. They're two wholly different animals and require wholly different solutions. There's no similarity except for the fact that both can kill. A Tsunami recedes; rising sea levels don't. A tsunami can be up to 1700 feet high; sea levels are set to rise only a few metres in the next century.

Yep and that is what I would call poor taste.

Really? I'd call it a tragic failure of communication.

Maybe the Indonesian Governmnet were too concerned playing with their military toys. Then again, maybe raising that matter is in poor taste!

No, just ignorant, since that's not what caused the problem. Did you bother to read the article?

Listen to any political speech and you will hear the same. Hell, go to any 'high-powered' business meeting and you will hear the same. The people with the deeper knowledge are usually the specialists.

I don't need him to know the figures off the top of his head. But there's a difference between knowing the "broad strokes" and not knowing which end of the brush the paint goes on.

So you condemn Gordon Brown in the same manner?

Oh heavens no, Gordon "steal the shirt off my back" Brown is totally above reproach. Tell you what though, since we're talking about McGuinness, let's talk about McGuinness, and you can start another thread about Brown.

You already have made a comment by your reply so don't hide behind that one. Comment away.

Fine. Your spelling is atrocious. Unless your school did actually teach a subject called "Georgraphy" - the description of georgia, perhaps?

dregin

Which forum are you mod of? Do they easily tolerate idle bickering like this over there too?How you can't acknowledge that Mc Guinness' claim that the disaster has brought more attention to the dangers of climate change is beyond me. The disaster has obviously highlighted the devastating power of nature which not many people have appreciated up until now.

A Dub in Glasgo

Sparks wrote:

Really? So if he says something that's stupid, you say the words don't matter, and if he says something you agree with, then he's a great statesman?
Pah.
Fact is, he implied a connection, and there isn't one.

I don't find what he said stupid and I don't see where he stated that the tsunami was caused by climate change. I do see him linking the devastation caused.

No, it wasn't. It was a large collection of buzzwords thrown together into an incoherent speech that even Scott Adams would have found too silly for words.

So we will not see mass destruction and devastation due to climate change. OK... if you say so

It certainly is - the kinds of damage caused by climate change happen over decades and are far less severe and far more long-lasting. They're two wholly different animals and require wholly different solutions. There's no similarity except for the fact that both can kill.

Plenty of esteemed experts seem to be wrong then. Oh dear....

A Tsunami recedes; rising sea levels don't. A tsunami can be up to 1700 feet high; sea levels are set to rise only a few metres in the next century.

Most experts I have seen in the media have said this reached about 50 feet high. They must be wrong then.

Really? I'd call it a tragic failure of communication.

What? Just like what you are accusing McGuinnes of

No, just ignorant, since that's not what caused the problem. Did you bother to read the article?

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You must teach me this language!!!

I don't need him to know the figures off the top of his head. But there's a difference between knowing the "broad strokes" and not knowing which end of the brush the paint goes on.

I have seen plenty of guys try to pass off their knowledge as 'broad strokes' in my field of specialisation and have failed. I have seen plenty of politicians stumped when questioned deeper about their speech. It happens all the time. You will get over it.

Oh heavens no, Gordon "steal the shirt off my back" Brown is totally above reproach. Tell you what though, since we're talking about McGuinness, let's talk about McGuinness, and you can start another thread about Brown.

Hmmm..The subject in your quote is the same and you only condemn one.

Fine. Your spelling is atrocious. Unless your school did actually teach a subject called "Georgraphy" - the description of georgia, perhaps?

Oh how I laughed at this. Please point me to the section in the Charter which says I have to run a spell checker to pick up typing errors before i post?

Now that is poor taste
:rolleyes:

A Dub in Glasgo

dregin wrote:

Which forum are you mod of? Do they easily tolerate idle bickering like this over there too?.

The shooting forum

(joke for those with a SOH bypass!)

I can imagine it:

Forum poster: Can we talk about Georgraphy in this forum

Mod: No you can't, it is the wrong forum. But since you can't spell, have this .22 bullet in your butt. That will learn ya!!

aidan_walsh

A Dub in Glasgow wrote:

You must teach me this language!!!

http://java.sun.com

"few governments were listening" can be seen to imply a connection.
"few governments are listening" doesn't carry the same implication. Its called the politics. He should be more careful about what he says. That is all.

Sparks

dregin wrote:

Which forum are you mod of? Do they easily tolerate idle bickering like this over there too?

No, I'd be itching to ban you by this point, to be honest. Happily for yourself, the mods here have more patience than I do.

How you can't acknowledge that Mc Guinness' claim that the disaster has brought more attention to the dangers of climate change is beyond me.

Well, you must have very small limits then.

The disaster has obviously highlighted the devastating power of nature which not many people have appreciated up until now.

Yes, because noone's ever seen a storm, or a bolt of lightning, or a hurricane, or a tornado, or a tsunami, or an earthquake before.
They're wholly foreign to us.
:rolleyes:

A Dub in Glasgo

Sparks wrote:

Yes, because noone's ever seen a storm, or a bolt of lightning, or a hurricane, or a tornado, or a tsunami, or an earthquake before.
They're wholly foreign to us.
:rolleyes:

When was the last time these natural acts caused any real devastation and destruction here??

Sparks

doodle_sketch wrote:

"few governments were listening" can be seen to imply a connection.
"few governments are listening" doesn't carry the same implication. Its called the politics. He should be more careful about what he says. That is all.

Not "can be seen to", it does imply a connection.

Sparks

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

When was the last time these natural acts caused any real devastation and destruction here??

That'd be the mini-tornado in Clonee a few days ago?
Or the storm that flooded Cork a few weeks ago?

A Dub in Glasgo

Not even on the same planet compared to the real destruction nature can throw at the human race

Sparks

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

I don't find what he said stupid and I don't see where he stated that the tsunami was caused by climate change.

Look up the word "imply".

I do see him linking the devastation caused.

Incorrectly, as I stated.

So we will not see mass destruction and devastation due to climate change.

Not like the destruction and devestation from an event like a tsunami, no.

Plenty of esteemed experts seem to be wrong then. Oh dear....

Name some, other than the director of The day after tomorrow.

Most experts I have seen in the media have said this reached about 50 feet high. They must be wrong then.

This one reached 40 metres. The maximum recorded height for a tsunami is 1698 feet in alaska in 1958. Hence the phrase "A tsunami can be up to 1700 feet high".

What? Just like what you are accusing McGuinnes of

No, McGuinness communicated what he was saying without distortion. The failure was in what he said, not the mechanism that conveyed his words to us. Whereas in Indonesia, it was a failure of the mechanisms of communication that took place.

No, I got this instead

Hit reload.

I have seen plenty of guys try to pass off their knowledge as 'broad strokes' in my field of specialisation and have failed. I have seen plenty of politicians stumped when questioned deeper about their speech. It happens all the time. You will get over it.

You say that like it's a mandatory course of action. Are you planning on sending the boys round to the house in case I disagree?

Hmmm..The subject in your quote is the same and you only condemn one.

Because the subject of this thread is only one. Tell you what, try addressing the topic instead of squirming.

Oh how I laughed at this. Please point me to the section in the Charter which says I have to run a spell checker to pick up typing errors before i post?

Nowhere. But if you're going to make comments on a person's ability to choose words, it's best to spell your own correctly, no?

Now that is poor taste
:rolleyes:

No, it's indicative of my level of regard for your argument.

Sparks

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Not even on the same planet compared to the real destruction nature can throw at the human race

Ah, so you ask for an example seen by "us" (the irish people) and then you say it doesn't count as now you want something that applies to the human race? Well I can happily provide you with examples - the earthquakes in Iran, the tsunamis in Japan, the tornados and hurricanes in america, hell I can even point out an example everyone saw of a comet hitting a planet if you want.
Or would you rather just concede the point that the humans living on this planet happen to already know that nature's rather powerful by comparison to themselves?

daveirl

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A Dub in Glasgo

Sparks wrote:

Look up the word "imply".

Can you spell that?

Name some, other than the director of The day after tomorrow.

I will come back to you if I have the time as that is for a completely different thread. This thread is about the allegation that Martin McGuiness stated the tsunami was caused by Global Warming and not an Earthquake. I believe we have already established that the allegation is not true.

This one reached 40 metres. The maximum recorded height for a tsunami is 1698 feet in alaska in 1958. Hence the phrase "A tsunami can be up to 1700 feet high".

Yes and we were actually talking about this tsunami not historical ones.

No, McGuinness communicated what he was saying without distortion. The failure was in what he said, not the mechanism that conveyed his words to us. Whereas in Indonesia, it was a failure of the mechanisms of communication that took place.

The thread starter disagreed in his original post and title

Hit reload.

Have I jumped to the shooting forum?

You say that like it's a mandatory course of action.

I am saying a lot of people in 'Authority' give interviews and speechs where they have not got a real understanding what they are talking about. You will see this in time and learn to live with it.

Are you planning on sending the boys round to the house in case I disagree?

What boys??
What house

Because the subject of this thread is only one. Tell you what, try addressing the topic instead of squirming.

No squirming here. You condemned someone with the following words

'I mean seriously - does he not think that measles and malnutrition require more urgent action than debt cancellation which would take months to kick in? Grand, you don't have to pay off foreign debt anymore, but you've got no infrastructure, no revenue streams going, no foreign investment, no medical staff, no medicine to distribute... get the idea? If he'd thought about it for ten minutes he'd have seen that you need outside aid for urgent assistance in these cases, at least in the initial months. Instead, he's calling for debt cancellation instead of further funding of the Red Cross and similar groups.'

I pointed out that there are plenty of people who have raised the issue of debt cancellation (most well known being Gordon Brown). You say my reply is off topic

Nowhere. But if you're going to make comments on a person's ability to choose words, it's best to spell your own correctly, no?

Factual words or an extra letter typed on a keyboard? Which is more important? Only a pedant would view the latter.

No, it's indicative of my level of regard for your argument.

And your own personality... patronising

Ah, so you ask for an example seen by "us" (the irish people) and then you say it doesn't count as now you want something that applies to the human race?

You were talking about 'us' = Ireland in this para and you implied that Irish people had seen all the things you list.

'Yes, because noone's ever seen a storm, or a bolt of lightning, or a hurricane, or a tornado, or a tsunami, or an earthquake before.
They're wholly foreign to us.'

I then asked when did we see real damage caused by those natural acts. You said Clonee and flooding. That is not real damage.

Well I can happily provide you with examples - the earthquakes in Iran, the tsunamis in Japan, the tornados and hurricanes in america,

I am sure you can but they did not happen to 'us'

hell I can even point out an example everyone saw of a comet hitting a planet if you want.

I have seen the film

Or would you rather just concede the point that the humans living on this planet happen to already know that nature's rather powerful by comparison to themselves?

I would concede that a small minority of people in this country know the real power of nature and what it may do to us if we are not careful.

gandalf

Ok I have three people who I could ban from this thread alone.

A Dub in Glasgo
Sparks
dregin

For
Baiting
Trolling
Hints at personal insults
going off topic
criticising someones spelling, that one particularly pisses me off !!!

I see any more crud from any of you and you will be banned.

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