Ann Coulter.

FTA69

They’re a major threat. I just think it would be fun to nuke them and have it be a warning to the rest of the world."

Innocent people being vaporised is always fun and games sure...

Sparks

Redleslie2 wrote:

I wouldn't class him as a journalist. He's a film maker, I haven't seen Roger And Me or the new one but Bowling For Columbine is a pretty well made and powerful film.

Yes, but unfortunately much of it was fabricated, which took what could have been a very influential film that took an honest look at gun culture in the states and turned it into, well, just another Sarah Brady piece.

Honestly, there's a need for an honest, accurate piece of work on that topic, I don't know why someone doesn't do one. Instead we either get a film which is paid for by the NRA and which shows nothing but the good side of firearms ownership, or one paid for the the gun control advocates which shows nothing but the bad side. The end result is that there's no real analysis and no real debate happening.

And the same effect happens in pretty much every other area that Moore's made a film, unfortunately. I wouldn't say he's the democratic version of Ann Coulter, though, he's more Rush Limbaugh's opposite number.

Sparks

Sand wrote:

Shes the anti-Michael Moore. Even down to being photogenic.

Seriously Sand, ewwwww. I mean, I've heard of "heroin chic", but Coulter's more "crack cocaine chic" if anything. Aestheticly pleasing, she's not!

Dr Bolouswki

yawn - essentially a media whore - and i mean a whore to the media, rather than any denigrating of selling your flange, which is hip with me... and my liberal ways.

JustHalf

My attitude towards Coulter has become "don't feed the trolls".

Redleslie2

Sparks wrote:

Yes, but unfortunately much of it was fabricated, which took what could have been a very influential film that took an honest look at gun culture in the states and turned it into, well, just another Sarah Brady piece.

Well he's a kneejerk rather than a full blown loony like Coulter or Rush Limbaugh but anyway, criticisms of Moore belong in a new thread imo.

oscarBravo

Redleslie2 wrote:

Right on cue, the bushbots drag the IRA into another thread for no apparent reason. Excellent.

Who did what to the which now?

Redleslie2

oscarBravo wrote:

Who did what to the which now?

It's going to happen.* Happen. It happens all the time.



*Which is incidentally the title of an Undertones song. When the band played it on top of the pops at the time of the hunger strikes, they controversially wore black armbands out of respect. Not a lot of people know that.

Sand

yeah you'll notice how theres a total lack of praise in my orginal post for Moores simplistic NI worldview?

Yeah, but then you swung that on its head praising his determination to get his head round an issue - you dont see the contradiction? In the one field where Irish people can get a good evaluation of how much research he does, its clear hes talking complete ****e with no more research done than renting out The Devils Own, which he probably watched passed out drunk to get the whole Irish cultural experience. All that tells me is Id get a better understanding of American politics from reading the back of cereal boxes than Moores work.

yeah but Moore doesn't demand or suggest violence againist a country or social group.

No he just suggests NATO and the UN should send in the troops to liberate the Blue states from Reichfuhrer Bush (Stupid White Men, damn you for making me open that "book" again). He not being serious, just saying something for the fans. Everyone accepts that he mouths off in such a fashion, but that secretly hes right about the Reichfuhrer Bush part. Coulter on the other hand is deadly serious about advocating a nuclear strike against a potentially nuclear armed power. Theres not a chance in hell Coulter would be doing a Michael Moore and mouthing off to get attention, air time and more book sales?

Neither of them can claim to have reached their fame/infamy through academic brilliance. Theyre rabble rousers. They mouth off, their fans go "right on!" their opponents go "oh not that idiot again!" and they make lots of cash.

I mean are you aware michaelmoore.com is seriously selling packs for teachers to use farenheight 911 as an educational tool in the classrooms?!!!!?!?!? No wonder he narrows his slagging to politicians/CEOs - leaves plenty of market demographics to sell **** to.

Magnolia_Fan

I'd be one of the few people in here that actually enjoys watching Fox News but I'd agree Ann Coulter is way over the top like Hannity.

Hobbes

Sand wrote:

If you want to talk about Moore use another thread. Anyway slight difference between Moores and Coulters View. At least Moore gives you a starting point to research off, where as Coulter generally just gives you a list of places to nuke.

magick

Ann Coulter is way over the top like Hannity.

true , makes me wonder why she hasnt been offered her own spot on Fox

Magnolia_Fan

I think they should give Colmes his own show he is much more level headed. Ohh and Judge Napolatno should get one too. I don't think everyone on the network is biased..I watch Fox Report with Sheppard Smith I wouldn't call that Biased, O'Rielly Factor I watch sometimes which regardless of him saying otherwise, it is biased.then I'd skip Hannity and Colmes cus it does my head in and I'd watch Greta Van Sustern who is in no way biased. I've never watched John Gibson or the other guy Brit Hume but I'd see Neil Cavuto sometimes and I like him too....don't understand the amount of abuse they get

Sand

If you want to talk about Moore use another thread.

Yep - context is the enemy to irrationality.

Hobbes

Sand wrote:

Yep - context is the enemy to irrationality.

and stupidity is the friend to making pointless sentances up.

Seriously.. wtf has Moore got to do with Ann Coulter? Unless they are banging each other (which I think would cause some kind of temporal rift in space).

She isn't remotely like Moore. Moore likes to rant on, but at least his rants are based off something factual.

ionapaul

I just can't decide whether Coulter is doing her act as a smart business decision (doubt she's on the breadline) or actually believes the absolute tripe she comes up with.

Certainly she has to enjoy winding up the left - who wouldn't enjoy doing that? Not to the left but to any group of people you disagree with - I personally love winding people up! You can tell that Bill O'Reilly and Al Franken are the same, they love annoying their opponents.

I don't think many Bush supporters in the USA have much time for Coulter - only a tiny minority of conservatives would be as extreme, IMHO.

BTW, I agree that Greta Van Sustern is worth watching sometimes. I watch Bill O'Reilly for laughs, he can be fairly funny at times. Bit of a wanker though!

Sand

Seriously.. wtf has Moore got to do with Ann Coulter? Unless they are banging each other (which I think would cause some kind of temporal rift in space).

Ive already made it clear I thought, but it must have sailed over your head in your rush to rant about the evil of Coulters ill-educated opinions, isolated from any consideration of the current political climate.

Coulter is not the problem. Shes a symptom of the problem. Much as Moore is also a symptom of the problem. The problem is politics is boring and participation in politics, even voting, is not very high on anyones list of priorities. Theres a race on to dumb down politics, to package it in inane slogans like "Drive, Energy and Commitment" so that the plebs can follow whats going on. In that enviroment the most famous political commentators are Moore and Coulter who are more famous for annoying their opponents and rabble rousing/mouthing off/talking crap than for having any reasonable ability to analyse, advocate or explain political developments. Moore doesnt get book sales, movie sales and video rentals for being a genius, and Coulter didnt get invited on Fox News to be ridiculed because they think shes really smart.

Ive said Moore=Coulter, but Moore is actually far worse because hes taken seriously, abroad anyway, more due to political sympathies I think than any actual review of his tendency to obscure, deceive and outright lie about so called facts whenever he bothers to do any research - which no one can claim he did before sounding off on Northern Ireland.

But please, dont let setting some context disturb your need to rant on irrationally about evil of Coulter. While your at it you can talk about how generous the Western banks were back in the 40s, 50s and 60s giving all that money to the Third World. We dont need to remind ourselves that they were loans, and with repayments required.

Sparks

Can someone check outside to see if hell's frozen over? I think I just agreed with Sand...

Sand

Can someone check outside to see if hell's frozen over? I think I just agreed with Sand...

Can someone check outside to see if hell's frozen over? I think Spark's is right for once...

Redleslie2

Many Irish people come out with a lot of moronic gibberish about northern Ireland too. At least Americans like Moore have an excuse for being ignorant about it.

Sand wrote:

Hopefully Ahern, ashamed of his pathetic humilation of himself, his party, his country and liberal democratic principles in general, will swing into action with a plan to dig a mile wide, 200 meter deep canal all along the border with Northern Ireland and instruct the Army to shoot anyone crossing it. Oh, and shoot anyone in the Republic referring to the Republic as the "26 counties" or "free state" as traitors. Irish Question solved once and for all.

GuanYin

The way I see it, America is lke that JPG doing the rounds. "United States of Canada" and "Jesusland" and as Sand said, each side has a voice for the average joe.

In Moore's case I think he panders to what his side want to hear, but I don't think Coulter's opinions reflect the ideals of republicans in Jesusland. I really think its more a case of her being like those old WWF soundbites where they appear for 30 seconds saying how they're gonna rip their enemies spine out and sodomise them with it.

It was interesting that Sasha Baron Cohen is alleged to have caused a riot at a Texas Rodeo he apparently appeared as Borat and told the crowd he hoped the US nuked Iraq and GWB slit the thoats and drank the blood of every man, woman and child in Iraq. Whoever it was (for Cohen's agency has declined to comment except to say that they have nothing in production at present) they had to be escorted out for tehir own safety as the crowd was enraged.

Hardly the same type of cowboys who would want North Korea nuked.

In that way Coulter is nothing more than a crude entertainment vehicle and I think all but maybe the insane evangelical rebpublicans see her as such.

As for her sex appeal, welllll.... if she'd be the submissive party and was open to being sodomised with her spine......

pete

guys... i hate to ruin this for everyone, but Moore was joking.... anyone out there remember satire?:

Film maker's 'solution' to Northern Ireland problems

American film maker and author Michael Moore has repeated his solution to the problems of Northern Ireland - all Protestants should immediately convert to Catholicism.

Mr Moore, who was giving a talk at the West Belfast festival said he believed Ulster Protestants would flock to the Catholic church if they were informed of the benefits.

"Catholics have more sex - who wouldn't want that, " he asked.

"All our Holy days would be holidays. If you offered more days off to the Protestants of Northern Ireland just by switching to Catholicism I think they would go for it."

In a lively question and answer session before the main talk at the Festivals marquee the maker of hip documentary Bowling for Columbine and author of best seller Stupid White Men said his remarks were not meant to be taken seriously.

"What I said in the book (Stupid White Men) was actually something I thought would bring people together. Didn't the Irish invent this form of humour? Wasn't Swift Irish?"

He added "I like a lot of Protestants, actually some of my best friends are Protestants."

http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_807684.html?menu=entertainment

Zombrex

After 9/11 she said something like "we should kill all their [Arabs] leaders and convert them all to Christianity". Her employer (some Republican magazine) blamed the quote on stress of losing a friend in the attack, but when she refused to apologise she was sacked. Didn't help much she just went to another more right wing paper.

In short she is a nut case.

THe problem is she is a very media friendly nut-case, the GOP love wheeling her out for talk shows and stuff because she normally batters her oppenents into submission or at least keeping quiet while she talks.

Interesting fact the blonde bit character in the West Wing (can't remember her name she worked with Rob Lowe .. Lessily or something) is based on her, though rather more centerist that the real Colter who is way out there right wing

Zombrex

TomF wrote:

I usually get a good laugh out of Ann Coulter's letting the air our of left-wing gas-bags. As for libel about Clinton and rape, I think there were one or two of the horde of women who have come forward to tell about Slick's unwanted attentions who claim he either committed actual rape, or something very close to it.

It is off topic but just point out that one of the main right-wing media guys going after Clinton in the Ken Starr time came out recently and said they had nothing, nothing at all on Clinton. Even Whitewater was nothing, just a bad land deal, but nothing illegal. And they spend hundreds of millions of dollars going after him. Yet the right still hate him soooo much, I really don't understand it. It is more they seem to hate the idea of Clinton rather than anything he actually did.

I don't have a link right now, but I will try and find one if anyone things I am making this up.

SkepticOne

Wicknight wrote:

It is off topic but just point out that one of the main right-wing media guys going after Clinton in the Ken Starr time came out recently and said they had nothing, nothing at all on Clinton. Even Whitewater was nothing, just a bad land deal, but nothing illegal. And they spend hundreds of millions of dollars going after him. Yet the right still hate him soooo much, I really don't understand it. It is more they seem to hate the idea of Clinton rather than anything he actually did.

Makes a lot of sense. Just throw whatever you can at him. At some point something may stick. Dirty game but that's politics.

mycroft

Wicknight wrote:

Interesting fact the blonde bit character in the West Wing (can't remember her name she worked with Rob Lowe .. Lessily or something) is based on her, though rather more centerist that the real Colter who is way out there right wing

She vanished post 9/11 when coulter went, I think the correct medical term is; "bat sh*t loco", became rabidly right wing.

Incidently I think the new series starts tonight on RTE. Arron Sorkin's ghost drifts away.......

Sand

guys... i hate to ruin this for everyone, but Moore was joking.... anyone out there remember satire?:

And yet it is assumed Coulter is deadly serious that he U.S. foreign policy towards North Korea should be limited to nukes? Shes not throwing something wild out there to get her books sold? Theres no such thing as bad publicity.

aidan_walsh

Wicknight wrote:

Interesting fact the blonde bit character in the West Wing (can't remember her name she worked with Rob Lowe .. Lessily or something) is based on her, though rather more centerist that the real Colter who is way out there right wing

Ainsley Hayes was based on Coulter? Bloody heck...

Victor

I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning.

Use nukes to stop nukes .... :eek:

pete

Sand wrote:

And yet it is assumed Coulter is deadly serious that he U.S. foreign policy towards North Korea should be limited to nukes? Shes not throwing something wild out there to get her books sold? Theres no such thing as bad publicity.

Got any evidence that she's not serious?

I'll admit, i've not read Slander or Treason, just the amazon excerpts here and here.

I may be laughing, but it's at her, not with her.

Some clarifications from Ms. Coulter:

John Hawkins: One of the many things you've said that really cheeses off liberals is,

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors".

Do you regret saying that?

Ann Coulter: Only that I didn't say it loud enough and in a large enough public forum. And when I said we should "execute" John Walker Lindh, I mis-spoke. What I meant to say was "We should burn John Walker Lindh alive and televise it on prime-time network TV". My apologies for any misunderstanding that might have occurred.

John Hawkins: You've caught a lot of heat for a couple of quotes you made. In your column three days after 9/11, you said, "We know who the homicidal maniacs are.They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." You also said in an interview with the New York Observer, "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Do you stand by those quotes or do you think that perhaps you should have phrased them differently?

Ann Coulter: Ozzy Osbourne has his bats, and I have that darn "convert them to Christianity" quote. (Thank you for giving the full quote. I have the touch, don't I?) Some may not like what I said, but I'm still waiting to hear a better suggestion.

RE: McVeigh quote. Of course I regret it. I should have added, "after everyone had left the building except the editors and reporters."

quotes taken from interviews on http://www.rightwingnews.com


See also a, shall we say, "robust" discussion with Bill O'Reilly, in which Ms. Coulter tries to convince Mr. O'Reilly thath the war in Iraq was "going magnificently well" - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121262,00.html

O'REILLY: Kill the music. I got one more for Ann, here. You realize that some people don't listen to you because they think you're an extremist. You realize that?

COULTER: Not according to my book sales but go ahead.

O'REILLY: You sell to a niche. You do.

COULTER: A pretty big niche.

O'REILLY: Well answer my question. Here's my question. Wouldn't it behoove you -- to be heard by more people if you weren't as strident?

COULTER: I don't think I am strident. I think I speak the truth and people are attracted to that, and judging by my book sales versus those who are less strident, I think I'm doing pretty well.