Brass Eye Special: what's the problem?

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DadaKopf:
But what about the media? .</font>

what about the media?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DadaKopf:
They damage many people's lives day in, day out. I'm not talking genuine journalistic, factual reporting, I'm taking tabloid gutter journalism (television as well as print) .</font>

and this is a reference to what?
are you comparing gutter journalism to the brass eye?
i think weve already established the non relavence of tabloid press to anything useful. weve already established the brass eye was directing its attack on the media.
what is your point?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DadaKopf:
The fact that the Sun and papers like is are constantly involved in defamation suits which they lose seems to prove the fact that the media spreads malicious rumours and accusations as a point of business - that kind of stuff sells.
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SALES
SALES
SALES
again, what is your point?
your pointing out things that we know.....

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DadaKopf:

If the newspapers are supposed to be providing a service which informs people of the truth and callously abuses that, then why should someone not attack them through clever, sideways tactics?
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who said the shouldnt?
and to be honest, its not very clever if most of the population dont get it, is it?
its like making the best joke in the world and not having anyone around to hear it...its pointless.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DadaKopf:
If you say that paedophilia is out of bounds, you might as well rule out murder, sex, sodomy and cancer jokes. </font>

sex and sodomy are choices and preferences.
cancer is well documented disease.
murder is on the front of every paper every day.
personally i think rape and absue of not only children, but of any person, is a 'bit' different. if you think there is no difference, then maybe you should stand back, walk around and view it from another angle.
the lowest of the lowest form of crime is sex crime, and peadophilia is the worst kind of sex crime.
and to make a program attacking the media using an issue like that, is distasteful.
especially making a program that a lot of people will misunderstand.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DadaKopf:
It seems these days that everyone can make out that they're a victim.</font>

are you actually saying that victims of peadophilia are not victims?
are you really saying that?
are you that arrogant or just completely unfeeling that you can say that victims of sexual abuse are not victims?
hmmmm, i just cant see little 5 year old boys asking to be raped.
no seriously, i just see it happening.

i have seen some awful opinions on this board, but that takes the biscuit as being the most stupid thing i have ever in my life seen.

ObeyGiant

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">are you actually saying that victims of peadophilia are not victims?
are you really saying that?</font>

I believe what Dadakopf was trying to get at was the fact that what may be genuinely "shocking" to someone, may have very little effect on someone else. I'm sorry if it seems callous of me to say this - but jokes about murder, sodomy, rape, child abuse, or cancer don't offend or shock me in any way, since I've had no experience of these things (Although I'm convinced God will have his revenge on me someday). However, to someone who has had a loved one die of cancer will say that THEY are the ultimate victim, they have experienced ultimate suffering. Someone who has had experience of paedophilia may claim THEY are the ultimate victim, etc.etc.

But this is all beside the point. The thread is about the Brass Eye special, and we're not even past Paedophilia? Oh my.

[This message has been edited by ObeyGiant (edited 07-08-2001).]

DadaKopf

The thread is about Brass Eye and why people feel it's a problem. Obviously, a load of people here don't think paedophilia is suitable for satire, even if it's just the setting and the media is the actual object of ridicule.

My point was, WWM, that if you condemn (in my opinion) an honest and good attack on the media, using whatever tactics you think will work in the name of comedy and directed criticism, if you condemn the use of paedophilia as a base of humour, then you have to condemn any comedy that "makes light" of diseases and crimes etc. Just think about the next time you pick up some tabloid newspaper and entertain yourself with some story about some victim or other. What if Morris used war as a point of reference for attacking the media instead? It wouldn't have been as effective and powerful as him using paedophilia and don't forget, if it wasn't for the press itself creating mass hysteria about the issue, Morris probably wouldn't have bothered with it at all.

My point was: the media makes 'victims' out of victims and there's nothing more effective to highlight this hypocrisy than satire and Morris and the media itself has highlighted this very beautifully.

There's nothing wrong with sitting at home watching clever satire, there's no reason for outrage - it's just like knowing blood in horror movies is tomato ketchup but patently a lot of people just don't see the difference. The show was hilarious and clever and witty and his best stuff in a long time. It is ok to laugh at things other than generally accepted humour you know. A little challenge and a little shock to the system is always a good thing.

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DadaKopf:
The thread is about Brass Eye and why people feel it's a problem. Obviously, a load of people here don't think paedophilia is suitable for satire, even if it's just the setting and the media is the actual object of ridicule.

My point was, WWM, that if you condemn (in my opinion) an honest and good attack on the media, using whatever tactics you think will work in the name of comedy and directed criticism, if you condemn the use of paedophilia as a base of humour, then you have to condemn any comedy that "makes light" of diseases and crimes etc. Just think about the next time you pick up some tabloid newspaper and entertain yourself with some story about some victim or other. What if Morris used war as a point of reference for attacking the media instead? It wouldn't have been as effective and powerful as him using paedophilia and don't forget, if it wasn't for the press itself creating mass hysteria about the issue, Morris probably wouldn't have bothered with it at all.

My point was: the media makes 'victims' out of victims and there's nothing more effective to highlight this hypocrisy than satire and Morris and the media itself has highlighted this very beautifully.

There's nothing wrong with sitting at home watching clever satire, there's no reason for outrage - it's just like knowing blood in horror movies is tomato ketchup but patently a lot of people just don't see the difference. The show was hilarious and clever and witty and his best stuff in a long time. It is ok to laugh at things other than generally accepted humour you know. A little challenge and a little shock to the system is always a good thing.

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why dont you read the rest of the threads instead of last couple of posts
you will see what my point of view is and im sure as hell not going to write it out again.
i never said the show wasnt funny, i said the medium used was distasteful.
as for humour on cancer and death etc, well, you can always shi7 happens. people die, people contract cancer, people fall out of helicopters.
children do not ask to be abused.
i think there is a big difference.
go back and read why i thought it was distasteful and the reasons i give and why satire is not a good medium.
like i said, you are reading only pasrt of an argument.
fair enough, i took you up wrong with your comment and im sorry. yes, papers make victims of people, because that sells newspapers. simple as that. but that is not a valid excuse to attack them on...

WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ObeyGiant:
[BBut this is all beside the point. The thread is about the Brass Eye special, and we're not even past Paedophilia? Oh my.

[This message has been edited by ObeyGiant (edited 07-08-2001).][/B]</font>

actually, i think its the total point.


the topic is

Brass Eye Special: what's the problem?

i am giving reasons what i think the problem was. again, read the entire thread and not just a few posts...