Is their any point or purpose to art?

JustHalf

Tell me, is a painting art if it is not an expression of the soul, Dadakopf?

DadaKopf

Awww jeez. Yeah, of course it is. Whatever a 'soul' is. Like I said, art's definition changes but it's always communication, whatever it is you're trying to communicate. Does this make no sense?

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Lucy_la_morte

But what is.. Art?

Art in it's state today is impossible to define, one person may see 'art' in a train leaving the station, the other in a drawing.. The sun coming up is art.. You can't define it no matter how hard you try Dadakopf, unless you have a really long white beard.

We could all be artists and art lovers in a sense, since we define our own preferances and create our own lives.

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Executive Steve

*sigh*

art, as lucy would know if she'd read the faq, is cultural expression on an individual level.

culture is everything we dont have to do.

therefore it is art when i doodle on my napkin. value judgements on quality of art belong in a different thread, since we are not really concerned with pure aesthetics here, but rather trying to justify all these funny modern artists you techy types may or may not understand properly. capeesh?

laying down the scripture,
painting the picture,
the subject switcher,
messiahianic figure,
massive make noise for the 1 2 3
capital t
pump it up
rip it up
mc
its the tyranny.

adnans

bless your arty minds!! it took me about 10 minutes to sift through this thread. wow. what a bunch of ****.

to me art is anything that makes your brain release little chemicals called endorphins and then you smile. beer does that too. hmmm

beer = art

eureka!!!!

anyway, like snoop said "different strokes for different folks", it has nothing to do with money or the way it is done/made/written/sploshed on. its art. and for you whitetrash, go ahead and write your book.

mc tyranny, at your next gig, could you read out your faq alongside some drumnbass. that would be art in total.

adnans

adnans

oh yeah, forgot to mention. writing email on a dreamcast. now that is some art if ive ever heard of one.

pacman is art too. the little guy keeps munching those pills like there is no tommorow all done in a dark room with mad techno sounds. sounds familiar?

scooby doo is art. a talking dog. nuff said.

i can go on forever but i will say one more thing. Architecture is the way forward. its timeless unless some future city council knocks it down for a cyberhighway data link in 2301.

adnans

DadaKopf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally bladdered by Lucy_la_morte:


Art in it's state today is impossible to define, one person may see 'art' in a train leaving the station, the other in a drawing.. The sun coming up is art.. You can't define it no matter how hard you try Dadakopf, unless you have a really long white beard.

We could all be artists and art lovers in a sense, since we define our own preferances and create our own lives.

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Eh, once again I'm being totally misunderstood. You've just repeated everything I've said - the definition of art changes. All I've said is that whatever art IS, it's simply got communication in common. That's all. Is that simple enough for you?

And as for tyranny's hubris: zzzzzzzzzzzz.

Executive Steve

hubris?
i dont phookin think so.
i see a discussion board with a whole load of people groping towards a serious issue, and a few people who dont wish to consider that issue seriously.
obviously i'm gonna put my own two cents in.
thats not hubris. art as you rightly pointed out is communication. what art is not is something that funny unemployable hippies do.
that is worse than hubris to contend that, that is arrogance.
sorry adnans, i cant think of anything that rhymes with faq....
btw. the promoter has gone and messed up again and i dont think that vision @ mono is on tomorrow night.
next week we'll be back though when mono is all done up with its new sound/lighting system.
till then, peace love and unity.
so dadakopf, whats all this dada stuff you seem to know so much about?

DadaKopf

I havent seen you contribute too much, tyranny - if that is your real name. All you've done is criticise everyone else but you haven't really contributed anything. What's all this stuff you seem to know so much about? And if we're all 'groping towards a serious issue' why don't you show us where we're wrong because obviously you're miles beyond us, or something. Put your money where your mic is and say someting constructive - or would that be exposing yourself to criticism too much?

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by [cm]tyranny:
culture is everything we dont have to do.</font>

Mmh. I think that's a rather sweeping comment. Gerry doesn't have to pick his nose... is that culture?

Oh yeah

I'm back.


Who else forsees us all still going round in circles way after this gets moved to Trolls?


We have clearly established one solid fact about art - it differs from person to person. We can all keep repeating our opinions, and make them clearer and clearer until we wind up at one sentence, which incidentally, is what everyone was saying all along.

Actually, that'd be pretty fun. Let's continue. Art is anything that communicates, even if it says **** off I'm takin' a leak.

Is there more?

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Lump

I don't know if this has any thing to do with the topic being talked about, but did anyone here see that film Dirty Pictures?? It tells a true story about a collection of pictures that some may see obseen and the trouble the director of a gallery went to get them shown. IMHO its a very good film.

John

ravanok

Art is born when society stagnates, it serves to draw our attention away from our flagging innovations, although in some cases this may not be true as was the case with leonardo a great artist/inventor.

Things like modern art and expresionism to me (i studied art for years in and out of secondry plus A on Honors LC art) is a waste of time, i find very little meaning in squares or blue splats.

Things like Fashion art i can somewhat agree with as it leads to better clothes for me

Kastro

sh.it... art is my life.. (yea like me has 1)
paintin is like my biggist hobby.. painting on wallz that is!
www.eiresol.com
this is like 1 of the best irish graff sites there is! its got everything..!
Kastro.!

Executive Steve

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JustHalf:
Well, what she does is just for money... or for the fun of it, but not to express. When some site said "[Britney Spears talks] about her growth as an artist" I just shook my head and said "no". Other people write her material. Other people express.</font>

you mean to say that 99.99999999% of professional classical musicians are not artists? or jocelyn brown / aretha franklin / ninety odd percent of blues/trad/folk/insert genre of music here musicians arent artists? explain your logic please.

Sliotar

thats the 1st post that really made me think so far in this thread, thats a good point...

Diabolus

When an artist sees beauty and he recreates it he recreates the beauty from within him/herslef. Its a reflection of the artist and his/her way of communicating something to the people who see it.

When u comment on seeing beauty and Recreating it i presume u mean paintings.
I write poetry and i make plays.
I believe that my poetry is a reflection of me and my personal experiences in my writings.

People who read my poetry or watch my plays
experience my feelings when they read my poetry or watch me perform.
If you cannot see how i try to communicate my feelings through my writings then i suggest you see them.

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Chaos-Engine

Two types of art:

1. From an Artist... SubConcise Driven... Its a window to the soul. The INdividuals reality and perception...

2. Something Old Ladies take up when they start to lose there mind(subject matter in art = flowers and landscapes.... what u see is what u get)

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I find art and expressionism extremly useful for helping people understand one another. IF u knew me u would find it very difficult to understand anything i do. I appear as a total looney. But if u can see something that flows from me(uncontroled).
One may start to understand how i precieve my own existance

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JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by [cm]tyranny:
you mean to say that 99.99999999% of professional classical musicians are not artists? or jocelyn brown / aretha franklin / ninety odd percent of blues/trad/folk/insert genre of music here musicians arent artists? explain your logic please.</font>

I wouldn't consider someone who does not create art to be an artist.

BTW, way to dig up a two-month abandoned thread. At least you didn't just post: "up!"

Executive Steve

you wouldnt consider someone who doesnt create art to be an artist, and yet you're unable to actually define art? in the case of the classical string quartet, you cant hear the art that bach created before they actually play it. is music art when you cant hear it?

The Sweeper

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by whitetrash:
My question is: does art have a point? Is their a good reason for me to write that book, or paint that picture? Why should I bother? It will ultimately be destroyed, and everyone who has ever read it will ultimatly die. </font>

The thing that differentiates us from animals is that our existence is not simply survival-driven. For the people who post on these boards, the very fact that you have internet access at all means there's more to your life than "eat, drink, sleep, procreate for the continuation of the species".

(Although maybe not much.)

Art is a part of there being more to life than survival.

The point to creating something is that you may enjoy the process, and even if you don't particularly someone else may enjoy the end product.

You have the luxury of expending valuable energy on something other than the continuation of your basic existence.

You should relish it.

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