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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    The google ads make shag all money

    Perhaps encouraging users to actually click on them might be a useful stopgap. 1 click per day per user would add up nicely, and I'm sure many people here are just gagging to buy Futurama magnets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Beruthiel wrote:
    Play.com have made a small fortune out of me this year, I alone could keep boards afloat with the amount I spend there! :D
    Amazon, Play and Komplett have taken a good chunk of my salary too. I'm going to be buying from them anyway so if I can buy from them, and help boards, even better.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Magpie, Google get very very annoyed indeed if they find you "encouraging" people to click. Its unfair (from their pov) to the advertiser who is paying per click-through but not actually getting customers who have any intention of buying things.

    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭spongebob


    DeVore wrote:
    Aye Muck, that occured to us too. My desire is to harness Boards without yoking it, and that sort of thing works nicely.

    Again my adminmod theory could apply. Let each one of them find one affiliate, get the paperwork, haggle ,finally mail you the form to sign and then build their 'bit'; of the 'normalisation' or 'revenue assurance' script and remain tech contact for 'their' affiliate going forward. Users can do it too but you know the potential adminmods whereas a user could simply arrive and pimp their site so the affiliate suggestions should come from trusted sources in the first place.

    It is a good delegation ploy , its easy to administer and an easy income stream . Much better than having them arf arfing at each other . I would not exclude someone from consideration if they could not drag in an affiliate BTW but mods hanging around can see who is getting a lot of mentions these days and can check things out before they make the suggestion.

    I would be personally inclined to favourably comment on HM - SAT for Sat gear (anyway) . They have an affiliate programme so why not link the whole thing together and let the normalisation / revenue assurance script kick in then , this is purely an example off the top of my head and should obviously be rolled past the mods in the fora where I am most likely to make the favourable comment in the first place as well

    ( Now for the statutory rude comments , threats and thread lock from Eeksore :( )

    *&&


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Trojan


    Get amazon set up rapid. I've just spend another 40 squid on there, that's my 3rd purchase in as many months. I'm guessing at least 5% of users here are the same, and that all adds up. Worry about the tech details later (normalisation), but get the actually affiliation stuff set up. It's not that hard:

    http://associates1.amazon.com/exec/panama/associates/apply/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭Cloud


    Regarding the Amazon thing, we will probably apply the Amazon affiliiate mod to our vBulletin installation (to replace any Amazon links with ones containing our affiliate account details). Should be straightforward, once they stop releasing bug fixes :)


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 2,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peteee


    Great idea on the amazon.

    Do Komplett do affiliate programs. From the modders and comp boards alone there would be a massive amount of cash, everyone buys tech stuff off komplett (i've spent nigh on €600 there over the last 1 1/2) so if any of that could go towards boards.ie it would be great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭steveland?


    DeVore wrote:
    We have done targetted advertising before which is ok, but I dont want any idea that anything said on our forums is unaccceptible because of a "sponsor".

    It'd be like Wayne's World ;)

    Suddenly a Reebok skin covers the forum and noone can change it.


    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Sleepy wrote:

    My own 2c is that we could charge entrance for Boards Beers. These have become extremely popular and the ones I've been to have seen over a hundred people in attendance. Any of us that go to them would probably be more than happy to pay a tenner for the night (cos hey, that's still cheaper than entrance to most nightclubs in Dublin). That means you could raise close on a grand (or over even) from each beers so over the year there's an earning potential of roughly three to five thousand euros which I'm sure would dramatically help the war chest.

    no offence but boards beers shouldn't have a charge on them, it would be a kin to charging for people to use boards. Once or twice there has been a cover charge, and that wasn't a problem, but charging people to go to a pub for afew drinks is abit much.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭mad m


    How about we all give 50cents or a euro in(though PayPal)and the Admins will put all our names in a sort of raffle who have paided and let the computer pick a random winner for a years subscription...God this sounds complicated now! Or for example the Soccer Forum whoever is registered to post there they put in X amount and maybe prize would be couple of tickets to a match or flights to there given team they support.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭WizZard


    mad m wrote:
    How about we all give 50cents or a euro in(though PayPal)and the Admins will put all our names in a sort of raffle who have paided and let the computer pick a random winner for a years subscription...
    I like this idea, I'd say this would really be good. Realistically how much would it raise? €4-5k ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭mad m


    WizZard wrote:
    I like this idea, I'd say this would really be good. Realistically how much would it raise? €4-5k ?

    Who knows WizZard might get more.But it could be a monthly thing or whatever Admins/mods decide.Maybe they've already thought of this and are planning something.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Komatoes wrote:
    they don't bother me, tis optional whether you click or not and its not an ad, just a hyperlink
    That's what annoys me most about them. It's an abuse of the purpose of a hyperlink. A bit like popups have always been an abuse of the window.open() function.

    If I want to find a product, I'll search for it. I'm not going to click - what I see as - fraudulent links to buy a product.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,246 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Boston wrote:
    no offence but boards beers shouldn't have a charge on them, it would be a kin to charging for people to use boards. Once or twice there has been a cover charge, and that wasn't a problem, but charging people to go to a pub for afew drinks is abit much.
    Why? You pay money to go to a nightclub don't you? IMHO the boards beers I've been at have been better than most club nights in Dublin anyway (particularly boardstock, which I don't think anyone would've had a problem paying a tenner to go to which after the fiver for the Sugar Club would've still left a hefty collection for the site.)

    I honestly can't see the problem with asking those who attend the boards beers to kick in a couple of quid towards the running of the site.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Boston wrote:
    no offence but boards beers shouldn't have a charge on them, it would be a kin to charging for people to use boards. Once or twice there has been a cover charge, and that wasn't a problem, but charging people to go to a pub for afew drinks is abit much.
    Not really.

    As Sleepy says.

    I'd have no problem seeing boards beers turned into boards fundraisers. However, I think the "donation Jar at the door" model would probably work best. You could charge everyone, say €5 or €10 for a ticket. That leaves other problems though, Mainly;

    1) A lot of people shy off once they see a charge. Particularly students, they've no problem spending €100 when in there, but there's no way they'll pay a tenner in.

    2) If people pay in, they expect a good night. Boardstock is fine, there's quality entertainment, but the common or garden Boards Beer, is just guys standing around chatting (and dancing later). If someone doesn't have a good night, they'll never go again, and if a load of people don't have a good night, then a load of people never go again. If however, you don't charge in, and someone has a **** night, there's still a good chance they'll give the Boards Beer another chance. Over and Over again.

    The "Jar at at the door" system also helps manipulate the growing drunkenness, so people will donate stupid amounts as they get drunker. DeV will say that people are free to give him money at the Beers, but I'd say most people would be happier with the Jar. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Trojan


    Charging for beers is not going to work. It's a community thing and whether people show up is up to them. Hell, I'll sabotage it by announcing a free "unofficial boards beers" in the white horse on the same night ;)

    /me loses Events moderation.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    No you dont! I agree wholeheartedly.

    What we do now for free wont change. Thats the agreement the admins unanimously came to. There wasnt even a discussion about it.

    We'll use the subscription model to cover off not-safe-for-minors forums but thats about it for that sort of change. We're successful for what we have *done* so I dont want to change that!

    Boards Beers will always be free afaiac. Boardstock might charge for obvious reasons.
    Thats really up to them though.

    DeV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    seamus wrote:
    Not really.

    As Sleepy says.

    I'd have no problem seeing boards beers turned into boards fundraisers. However, I think the "donation Jar at the door" model would probably work best. You could charge everyone, say €5 or €10 for a ticket. That leaves other problems though, Mainly;

    1) A lot of people shy off once they see a charge. Particularly students, they've no problem spending €100 when in there, but there's no way they'll pay a tenner in.

    2) If people pay in, they expect a good night. Boardstock is fine, there's quality entertainment, but the common or garden Boards Beer, is just guys standing around chatting (and dancing later). If someone doesn't have a good night, they'll never go again, and if a load of people don't have a good night, then a load of people never go again. If however, you don't charge in, and someone has a **** night, there's still a good chance they'll give the Boards Beer another chance. Over and Over again.

    The "Jar at at the door" system also helps manipulate the growing drunkenness, so people will donate stupid amounts as they get drunker. DeV will say that people are free to give him money at the Beers, but I'd say most people would be happier with the Jar. :)



    there will be no paying to go to a public social event.

    a privately organised reception is completely different, but while boards beers are held in a public location like a pub or bar or club, then there cannot be charging.

    but no reason why you cant ask for donations while youa re in there.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    If people want to support us, the supporters pack is there for that. I'm not going to strong arm anyone or embarrass them by buttonholing them for cash on whats supposed to be a friendly night out. All donations gratefully received but prefer not to harrass people for them.

    DeV.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    So a "please donate" jar it is then!

    I have the best ideas sometimes....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    seamus wrote:
    Not really.

    As Sleepy says.

    I'd have no problem seeing boards beers turned into boards fundraisers. However, I think the "donation Jar at the door" model would probably work best. You could charge everyone, say €5 or €10 for a ticket. That leaves other problems though, Mainly;

    1) A lot of people shy off once they see a charge. Particularly students, they've no problem spending €100 when in there, but there's no way they'll pay a tenner in.

    2) If people pay in, they expect a good night. Boardstock is fine, there's quality entertainment, but the common or garden Boards Beer, is just guys standing around chatting (and dancing later). If someone doesn't have a good night, they'll never go again, and if a load of people don't have a good night, then a load of people never go again. If however, you don't charge in, and someone has a **** night, there's still a good chance they'll give the Boards Beer another chance. Over and Over again.

    The "Jar at at the door" system also helps manipulate the growing drunkenness, so people will donate stupid amounts as they get drunker. DeV will say that people are free to give him money at the Beers, but I'd say most people would be happier with the Jar. :)


    Nothing against boards fundraiser, Usually at this stage there is a pot at most boards beers. Problem would be, as others pointed out, charging for a public get together, which I feel should be open to all, not just those willing to pay a tenner.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    The texting is a genius idea.. The initial outlay is a little high IIRC but could bring alot of money in..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭Farls


    The text idea seems good enough, personally i prefer the pay a yearly rate but i have to commend ye on the "its upto you" policy if you want to pay or not.

    Making people pay for the use of something like this generally turns new comers away and we'd be lost without newbies!

    As for the growing size of boards i have noticed that if you miss a few days on here it takes ages to catch up on your favourite forums!

    Well done anyway lads and thanks for the excellent service.

    Farlz


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    How about the boards member space as a possible revenue source? I know you don't want to charge for it because it's currently for free, but hear me out. The Ts & Cs for member space already indicate that sites which rack up heavy bandwidth use are subject to being removed or whatever, and there's limited control to the user over what they can *do* with their page.

    So, how about you offer Member Space Plus? A charged member space service where you get more storage space, no ads on your pages, and (maybe, depending on how much time and effort you want to put into the idea) a restricted range of boards-tested CGI/PHP scripts made available for use? I mean, you can fiddle the details but basically if someone wants webspace for whatever reason and they use boards, they can get it from you guys and contribute along the way.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I guess a Members Space Plus is an option. I'll talk to Hosting365 as they have some neat systems for mass management of users. Lets see what can be done. I'm not keen on charging unless it really adds a lot more to it but something like a scripting language and database access would certainly fit that bill...

    DeV.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 468 ✭✭trap4


    Tom I admire the idealistic determination to keep access to these forums subscription free - genuinely - but I would encourage you to reconsider it.

    I myself left my last 'job' in 2000 to try to commercialise a discussion forum which had grown out of two Yahoo! Clubs originally started in 1998. For two years, until 2002 we tried everything we could think of, from affiliations to classifieds to auctions to sponsorships and had no choice in the end but to try subscriptions. But with one crucial twist - we decided against charging our few thousand existing members and instead just charged for new memberships (after an initial trial period). In hindsight I think this was the only way we succeeded in not destroying our community completely. If we had started charging everyone for access I believe we would have simply had a mass exodus.

    So, what we did instead was to give all our existing members the title of Charter Member and leave them with full access to all features they enjoyed at that time. Any new features added since then can only be enjoyed by 'Full Members' ie. subscribed members. So, as well as happily gaining loads of new paying members we've also seen many of our previously free Charter members pay up to enjoy access to live chat, private messaging and so on.

    I for one would have no hesitation in paying a subscription for boards.ie similar to what we charge ourselves Eur29.99. I realise that our forums are targetted at a niche international audience, totally different to the audience here but I still think this is the way forward for boards.ie and believe now is as good a time as any to bite the bullet.

    Just my 2c, but whatever you decide best of luck and continued success with the very best Irish internet resource.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    well, thank you!

    I think Boards difference may be in a matter of size, a few thousand is pretty big but 10,000 begins to make things workable that might not otherwise be... We have 8M page impressions per month. Normally you can sell 10% of a site consistently without breaking a sweat, thats 800,000 even at 1 Euro per 1000 thats 800 notes. Thats a lot of cash!

    Subscriptions are going ok even though we've told noone about it and would be the main stay of the site and finally we have affiliations which I a have no idea what sort of revenue they might produce.

    I'm gonna give it a shot and see where this whole thing goes...

    DeV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,246 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Just to say that I'd probably be quite interested in members space plus if there were php scripting available with it. Don't need such a facility enough to go out and organise some decent server space but if it was just a matter of an extra few sheets onto my boards subsciption I'd probably be inclined to get it. I'd imagine a lot of other users would be the same.

    The affiliations thing should go quite well too. I know a site I used to run which only had a couple of thousand hits a week used to earn me about a hundred euro a year in affiliate earnings with Amazon.co.uk.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭GoneShootin


    I agree with Members Space Plus, would avail of it at the right price and spec ;)


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