SF show their respect for law and order again

Slutmonkey57b

Like I say, I have a different definition of what constitutes a "big deal". If it were a case of staggering around drunk and getting sick in a gutter like 90% of the other problem drunks, I might agree with you - but not given what she, and the other SF members around her, did.

Being a TD's wife does not make you a minor party member - she is a high-profile, one. Her sister, and the student are minor party members, she herself is not.

true

Yeah, but if it was a Unionist MP's wife in who threw a glass at the Garda Car, and threatened the Guards, you would have a different story, would you not FTA69 ?
I remember the time a Unionist politician came south of the border once ( about 18 or 20 years ago, so it was before you were even thought about FTA69 ) and fell foul of the law over something equally minor, and they got a huge fine - I forget what it was, I think it was £ 10,000 at the time. It did not go unnoticed up North.

FTA69

As I said above, I could not care less what the wife of any politician did true. Also slutmonkey, her husband is a high-ranking party member, she herself is not. Filial attachment does not guarantee you a high position in the party.

Peter Robinson and his cronies also led hundreds of men in to a Monaghan town in military uniform and drill and then locked the whole village down while members of his gang threatened locals. That is far more serious than a drunken tantrum in which nobody was hurt.

true

Peter Robinson did not lead hundreds of men in to a Co. Monaghan town in military uniform. I doubt Peter Robinson ever even wore a military uniform. What military uniform were they - why did the Guards not confincate them? The locals were not threatened.

If you believe that West Waterford should be called Free West Waterford, then I suppose you will believe your story. Pity you were neither old enough to remember or living close enough for it to be more relevant.

AmenToThat

ionapaul wrote:

You can't deny that calling a Guard (or anyone) a 'Free State Bastard!' is pretty funny though and shows the mindset of a very small proportion of our voting public.

Not that small and growing fast.

Slutmonkey57b

If only it were - but the growth in SF's vote isn't down to republican sympathies, but down to a successful canvassing of the anti-crime vote. Which makes it all the more offensive that a high-profile member of the party acts in such an outrageous manner.

Note: I refer to her as "high-profile", not "high-ranking". There is a difference in terms of the internal power structure of the party, and decision making, but high-profile members, particularly family members, are always used to bring out the vote in Irish politics. Equally, they have to be aware that they are under greater scrutiny than the "casual" party members.

Villain

Earthman wrote:

Seriously Irish1, I think you should stick to de-bunking what you disagree with as best you can and not cry wolf just because theres enough people to fervently disagree with you.
Better still imho, you should start threads on current topics involving other political parties where you can see a discussion flow,I doubt if you'll be accused of Government bashing or FG bashing...

Pretty busy at the moment so I'll try to respond to the rest of your post when I get time.

Cry wolf??? don't quite get you there, I don't really care how many people disagree with me, I have my opinion and don't see why the number of people disagreeing me should have an influence on it.

In relation to starting threads about other party's, well I have done that several times in the past, but the discussion seemed to die very quickly each time. I mean I started a thread about the tribunals and updated very regualry but people didn't really seemed interested in the corrupt dealings of the main party's in this state.

You see I could also start a thread about the state of our health system (which I have done in the past) stating how over 400 people are on trolleys in A&E departments all around the country, but somehow I think people would rather discuss the drunken actions of a SF member, I don't know why but thats just the way it is.

A Dub in Glasgo

irish1 wrote:

You see I could also start a thread about the state of our health system (which I have done in the past) stating how over 400 people are on trolleys in A&E departments all around the country, but somehow I think people would rather discuss the drunken actions of a SF member, I don't know why but thats just the way it is.

Because a lot of people here have been hooked on the 'porn' of hitting SF for a long time now. It takes time to come off that addiction and into the more mundane matters of the main parties defrauding the state of millions of euro or the lack of proper health care for people.

irish1

irish1 wrote:

Cry wolf??? don't quite get you there, I don't really care how many people disagree with me, I have my opinion and don't see why the number of people disagreeing me should have an influence on it.

Well thats what it looks like when the first thing you say on a discussion thread is, it's sinn Féin bashing again...

I mean I started a thread about the tribunals and updated very regualry but people didn't really seemed interested in the corrupt dealings of the main party's in this state.

They are when it's current when theres a new news item around it.

You see I could also start a thread about the state of our health system (which I have done in the past) stating how over 400 people are on trolleys in A&E departments all around the country,I don't know why

You could and why don't you again, if thats what you want to talk about.But remember the constituency here on boardsie is quite young with little experience of being on hospital trolley's or hospitals full stop(their parents may still be young too)and consequently a lot of posters wouldn't bother or haven't enough interest in replying.
And thats the answer to the question as to why that is.
Only a couple of hundred people out of four million turned up at a recent patients together protest so that will tell you how high the issue is on many peoples priorities. I know most of the people I see out party'ing every w/end are far more concerned about how much tax is taken out of their pockets than in the health service that they mightn't see for another 30 years...
That may be the wrong attitude, but in 2005, it's life.

Villain

Earthman wrote:

Why? one injured a pedestrian whilst drink driving and the other attacked a Garda whilst drunk.
Both were drunk and the T.D's wife intentionally committed an assault.
She's a founder member of the local SF cummain,obviously an active part of her husbands team and she threw a bottle at a garda while he was phoning for an ambulance-thats disgracefull behaviour and not a good character reference.
Do you think it shouldn't be discussed in a politics forum just because it involves Sinn Féin??

I have no issue with anyone condemning her actions, I certainly do but look at the thread title compared to the ones you linked to in relation to GV Wright, this thread title says “SF show their respect for law and order again” you see I didn’t see any of the GV Wright threads saying “FF show their respect for law and order”!!! So do you not see why it looks like another thread to bash SF?

Earthman wrote:

But you see you've presented no evidence to the contrary either other than the word of the people accused of being on the IRA army council.
People believe what they believe because of whats in front of them in the public domain.Adam's statement They havent gone away you know accompanied by a big grin from him and loud cheers from his supporters went down in folklore.

But I haven’t accused anyone of anything, as I have said if I came on here and accused FF of being involved in organized crime I’d be shouted down. You say people believe what believe because of whats in front of them, WHAT IS THAT???

As for the “They haven’t gone away” statement, I agree it sounded bad, but I think Adams was stating the IRA still excist and still have arms, and that is why we have to work for peace so these arms are put beyond use.

Earthman wrote:

He was tackled several times this morning on morning Ireland regarding what the Taoiseach said and to be frank, it sounded to me like the groans of tooth extraction to get him to say the Northern bank robbery was wrong( and thats coming from someone who has a healthy appreciation of his efforts to drag hardline IRA men into a democratic peacefull fold ) I actually think he has little choice to walk the line as thin as he did this morning, so near is the thin ice to breaking when anything sensitive is said in relation to the peace process and specifically in his case in relation to republicans-blood being thicker than water etc
Couple that with the repeated unpopular stance of SF in support of the McCabe killers and you have a hot curry with people.
It's things like that what keep people riled up regarding Sinn Féin and the best cure would be for those with the knowledge to start reporting to the Gardaí ie shop the criminals and be seen to be doing that.

He along with Martin McGuinness have both stated the robbery was wrong. If people have knowledge I would urge them to come forward so the speculation can stop.

Earthman wrote:

Well thats what it looks like when the first thing you say on a discussion thread is, it's sinn Féin bashing again...

My first post in full was:

“Another Bash SF thread, what a surprise, she has been dealth with in the courts and paid the penalty, just wish I could say the same about all the corrupt elected Politicians of this state!”

FTA69

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Note: I refer to her as "high-profile", not "high-ranking".

Ok, fair enough, but how many people would have even heard of her before this incident? I never did for one, and I'm a member of that party. I would also wager that neither did the vast majority of the rest of the country.

Equally, they have to be aware that they are under greater scrutiny than the "casual" party members.

Scrutiny from who though? It was doubtful if anyone knew who this woman even was.

irish1

irish1 wrote:

I have no issue with anyone condemning her actions, I certainly do but look at the thread title compared to the ones you linked to in relation to GV Wright, this thread title says “SF show their respect for law and order again” you see I didn’t see any of the GV Wright threads saying “FF show their respect for law and order”!!! So do you not see why it looks like another thread to bash SF?

How is that any different to Burn in Hell America or Burn in Hell AlQ'eda?
You may not have seen specifically FF tarnished in the GV Wright or other anti government titles but theres plenty of tarnishing in the content.
I'll grant you, those that *cough* bash the other parties are a tad more subtle with their thread titles, but bash them they do.
That said the title of this thread in this case is an accurate description of what went on, ie SF supporters showing a lack of respect for the law.
Such things I've never seen or read about outside functions held by the other parties.

As for the “They haven’t gone away” statement, I agree it sounded bad, but I think Adams was stating the IRA still excist and still have arms, and that is why we have to work for peace so these arms are put beyond use.

Ah come on, you know darn well thats not what he was doing, he was speaking to supporters rising them up into a big cheer for the IRA.

He along with Martin McGuinness have both stated the robbery was wrong. If people have knowledge I would urge them to come forward so the speculation can stop.

Thats fine but you know as well as I do that they won't. We have more fervent republicans than you on here at the moment declaring that they have no respect for the police south of the border.
And therein lies the problem for SF.

My first post in full was:

“Another Bash SF thread, what a surprise, she has been dealth with in the courts and paid the penalty, just wish I could say the same about all the corrupt elected Politicians of this state!”

Yes but you omitted to comment on the actions of the lady in your first post,You were more interested in giving out about the SF bashing it seems.
The better way to go would have been not to cry SF bashing and to actually give your view on what happened, that would have been an on topic discussion.

Villain

Earthman wrote:

How is that any different to Burn in Hell America or Burn in Hell AlQ'eda?
You may not have seen specifically FF tarnished in the GV Wright or other anti government titles but theres plenty of tarnishing in the content.
I'll grant you, those that *cough* bash the other parties are a tad more subtle with their thread titles, but bash them they do.
That said the title of this thread in this case is an accurate description of what went on, ie SF supporters showing a lack of respect for the law.
Such things I've never seen or read about outside functions held by the other parties.

I disagree it's accurate, a member of the party was involved in an incident but not the whole party, that member certainly doesn't represent every member of the party.

Earthman wrote:

Ah come on, you know darn well thats not what he was doing, he was speaking to supporters rising them up into a big cheer for the IRA.

Thats your opinion and I respect that understand, I simply ask the same of you.

Earthman wrote:

Thats fine but you know as well as I do that they won't. We have more fervent republicans than you on here at the moment declaring that they have no respect for the police south of the border.
And therein lies the problem for SF.

Unfortunately I or SF can't control every republican, I certainly agree it's a problem.

Earthman wrote:

Yes but you omitted to comment on the actions of the lady in your first post,You were more interested in giving out about the SF bashing it seems.
The better way to go would have been not to cry SF bashing and to actually give your view on what happened, that would have been an on topic discussion.

On reflection I would agree with you there.