Liverpool - Man Utd May contain goals

ZENER

The Muppet wrote:

To avoid the inevitable furore after the event I have decide to post My Post match comments now. LIverpool claim was never a penno though I have seen them given. I dont agree that the refs decisions favoured United as if the had we would have had a penno . I,m happy that Rooney proved he was not a waste of money by scoring his first goal agains the old enemy. To sum up a good win for united and no Ronaldo didn't dive as there was definite contact.

. . . only just managed to stop laughing . . . brilliant !!! . . and there was contact ok . . I saw it

ZEN

SteM

The Muppet wrote:

To avoid the inevitable furore after the event I have decide to post My Post match comments now. LIverpool claim was never a penno though I have seen them given. I dont agree that the refs decisions favoured United as if the had we would have had a penno . I,m happy that Rooney proved he was not a waste of money by scoring his first goal agains the old enemy. To sum up a good win for united and no Ronaldo didn't dive as there was definite contact.

You forgot.... 'And from that angle how could the ref see if the ball had crossed the line?'

yom 1

speaking of refs

anyone know who is the ref cos if it Manchester Mike we are fooked!!

The Muppet

SteM wrote:

You forgot.... 'And from that angle how could the ref see if the ball had crossed the line?'

LOL I,m saving that one for when we next play Spurs.

SteM

yom 1 wrote:

speaking of refs

anyone know who is the ref cos if it Manchester Mike we are fooked!!

Doubt he'll get another United game for a few months 'cause of all the stick he got after the Arse match. Steve Bennett is ref tomorrow according to rednews.

talla

Hmm i think the match is too close to call, so i'll go for a score draw. I agree with JTG, i have a sneaking feeling Heinze will be sent off as well.

On a side note, no matter what the result is tomorrow, can people try and keep things somewhat civil and talk purely about the match and decisions in the match(and this match only) in this thread afterwards. I don't want this going the way of the Arsenal V Man Utd threads.

dirkey_wynne

talla wrote:

Hmm i think the match is too close to call, so i'll go for a score draw. I agree with JTG, i have a sneaking feeling Heinze will be sent off as well.

On a side note, no matter what the result is tomorrow, can people try and keep things somewhat civil and talk purely about the match and decisions in the match(and this match only) in this thread afterwards. I don't want this going the way of the Arsenal V Man Utd threads.

lol. I wouldn't be surprised to see it coming back to an Henry v Ruud talk!!

The Rooster

PORNAPSTER wrote:

GK: Howard
RB: Gary Neville, CB: Ferdinand, CB: Silvestre, LB: Heinze
DM: Keane, DM: Fortune
RW: Ronaldo, AM: Scholes, LW: Giggs/Rooney
ST: Smith/Saha.

I've said before that IMO thats the system that suits United best away to the big teams in England and mist games in Europe.

I agree also that Carroll will be dropped, though I hope he isnt.

Assuming both are fit, which of Giggs or Rooney would you leave out?

If he did go for Fortune, I reckon it'd be Ronaldo who'd find himself benched and both Giggs and Rooney will start.

eirebhoy

Ryan Giggs and Rio Ferdinand face late fitness tests ahead of tomorrow’s Premiership clash with Liverpool at Anfield.

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Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has been named Barclays Premiership player of the month for December.

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The Muppet

talla wrote:

On a side note, no matter what the result is tomorrow, can people try and keep things somewhat civil and talk purely about the match and decisions in the match(and this match only) in this thread afterwards. I don't want this going the way of the Arsenal V Man Utd threads.

Of Course we will.

Kencu

This is going to be a very tight game imo. United are nowhere near the force they were, and despite results 'pool are playing far more constructive football than they were under Houllier. After their shambolic display midweek i'd hope to see nothing less than 100% commitment from them tomorrow.

It's all going to hinge on stopping Gigg's. If we manage that then united become a very one dimensional side. People have stated that the reason for their improved form was Ferdinand's comeback but i believe it all falls at giggs' feet. Having him skin defenders means that united can spread the ball out to the left and every premiership team has then got to be wary of Scholes floating around the edge of the box aswell as watching the strikers and also trying to stop giggs. Far from easy. Without him they play the ball out to Ronaldo who beats three men and then does nothing with it. Teams are begining to get a handle on him, and he seem's to end up at the corner flag a lot these days which is where you want him to be.

I fancy a not fully fit giggs to give us a few problems early on but if we can control him as he tires and maybe give away a few free kicks at the halfway line(nothing wrong with being firm in the challenge!) then after a half hour or so we should be able to take control and thats when Stevie G needs to dominate. Also i'd like to know who came up with the wonderful theory that Gerrard doesn't show up against the big teams? I seem to recall him dominating against united on a few occasions, and he has played Viera off the pitch a few times too. And before Alonso's injury he was threatening to over-run Chelski two weeks ago.

mike65

Hyypia is back while Gary Neville is out. Giggs and Ferdinand will face very late fitness tests.

Here are the squads

Liverpool (from): Dudek, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Pellegrino, Traore, Riise, Luis Garcia, Hamann, Gerrard, Nunez, Warnock, Morientes, Baros, Biscan, Diao, Harrison, Mellor, Sinama-Pongolle.

Man Utd (from): Carroll, Howard, P Neville, Silvestre, Ferdinand, O'Shea, Heinze, Fortune, Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Djemba-Djemba, Smith, Saha, Rooney.

My Guess

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Dudek

---Finnan--Hyypia--Cara--Traore

--Luis Garcia--Hamann

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Riise

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Gerrard

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Baros--Sinama-Pongolle


Its just a pity about this

Gerrard named player of the month

Liverpool midfielder Steven Gerrard has been named Barclay's Player of the Month for December.

The midfield dynamo recovered from a broken metatarsal to inspire Liverpool to fifth place in the Premiership.

During the month 24-year-old Gerrard doubled his goal tally for the season and sparked Liverpool to three successive wins.

His all-action style led Liverpool to wins over Newcastle (3-1), Southampton (1-0) and West Brom (5-0).

He'll have a crap game now!

Mike.

Villain

God I wouldn't put money on this game, really could go anyway, but with Saha, Rooney, Smith, Giggs and Ronaldo all fit, the pool defence will need to be at their very best.

I'l be borring and go for a draw.

PHB

Gerrard arguably the best player in england.
Liverpool, a one one one man team

Gerrard has a bad game, Livrepool will lose no matter what.
If he has a good game, they might draw, maybe evne a win. p.s. he's gona a couple of kicks early on
Morientes won't start, he hasn't play a game since Monaco properly like, he is not match fit! If he does start I'll be gob smacked and will be happy. Baros is often forced to drop deep, as is Gerrad, when Liverpool don't give service.
This will be a huge problem for Liverpool tomorrow because United take possesion and keep it, and go for long periods of games with the ball, something which is gona frustrate the **** out of gerrard.
Baros is good, and his smart runs will cause trouble, however Rio will deal with them.

United team will be:

Caroll[ I can't see Howard getting in, unless Fergie has noticed a drop in confidence in Caroll on the training ground. After the spurs incident, I saw Caroll and he was well pissed. If he doesn't play tomorrow, he won't play for United again]

G/P Neville - Rio - Slyvestre - Heinze

Ronaldo - Scholes - Keano - Giggs

Rooney - Saha(Fergie loves Saha, is soo happy to get him back, you hear it every time he talks about him, Saha is gona light it up tomorrow, running rings around Liverpool defence)

Do I think United will win? Of course we will
But its gona be tight.

p.s. I guarantee we're gona get a penalty claim tomorrow, and I think its gona be given

The Rooster

Who'd take a United peno? Scholesy has missed a couple, though he's usually good. Rooney? Saha? Henize would probably be deadly, but I'd say he'd have to concede to the forward type players.

Same for Liverpool? Baros last one was dreadful, though his earlier ones were very good. But I wonder would Gerrard demand the responsibility.

mike65

I'd let the ref take it.

For Liverpool, I'd give it to Riise or Pongolle

Mike.

ps just spotted that Ladbrooks have Mori to score at 9/2!

dirkey_wynne

Kencu wrote:

Also i'd like to know who came up with the wonderful theory that Gerrard doesn't show up against the big teams? I seem to recall him dominating against united on a few occasions, and he has played Viera off the pitch a few times too. And before Alonso's injury he was threatening to over-run Chelski two weeks ago.

I am one who regulary states this about Gerrard. And I stand by it. Against Chelsea he was very huff and puff, running around a lot, putting in challenges, but not doing very much with the ball. He was over playing it - he needs to learn to keep it simple. He tries the spectacular with the ball far too often, and he isn't that good a passer to do that. He has never dominated against Utd - he scored a cracking goal once, but has yet to dominate. I've never seen him dominate Viera. He's a good player, but nowhere near in the class of Viera or Keane (queue me eating my words by 3 2mw ) but at the moment I stand by my guns.

rubberduckey

My predicton is a tight game, United sneaking a one nil win. If ferdinand is out(late fitness test) will John O'Shea partner Silvestre again, as in the Chelsea game??

SteM

padshea2 wrote:

If ferdinand is out(late fitness test) will John O'Shea partner Silvestre again, as in the Chelsea game??

I'd say yes, but I hope not. JOS looked poor in the first half against Chelsea, misplacing passes and headers quite a bit. Tomorrow's a big match and Anfield is not a place to go with a nervous back line.

PHB

I'm fairly sure Wes Brown is fit again, and he is the 2nd(3rd?) choice after rio and slyvestre.

Last game, gerrard got injurd almost 15 mins in if I'm mot mistaken?

cournioni

The Rooster wrote:

Who'd take a United peno? Scholesy has missed a couple, though he's usually good. Rooney? Saha? Henize would probably be deadly, but I'd say he'd have to concede to the forward type players.

Heinze used to take PSG's penalties when he played with them. From what I've seen he takes one hell of a penalty...

The Insider

Finnan is facing a fitness test as he has a hamstring worry, he is a big doubt, big loss if he is out we will have no other cover for right back as Joesmi is still injured, with the form Giggs is in at the moment he could roast us.
As for Liverpool being a one man team with gerard, well whoever says that has not been watching the pool all season, have been playing much better football this season, gerard has got some vital goals but it has been Rafa who has got the team playing, remeber Gerard was out injured for about 2 months.
Had a great xmas and where robbed a result against Chelsea. Alonso is a huge loss tommorow he is the one who makes the Liverpool team tick. I fancy us to get a big win tommorow, Morientas arriving has given the club a huge lift, he will start tommorow and I fancy him to score, I fancy us to win 3-1.

C'mon the pool!!

mike65

If Finnan fails fitness test then Cara could move to Right Back and Pellegrino get his debut! More likely though is Traore in middle and Riise at LB.

Mike.

jank

Liverpool 2-1 UTD

Shrek dived for a peno converted by himself, followed by goals by Riise and Gerard

And it was a dive ok!

On a side note i think keepers will be crucial in the outcome of this match

Jivin Turkey

dirkey_wynne wrote:

I am one who regulary states this about Gerrard. And I stand by it. Against Chelsea he was very huff and puff, running around a lot, putting in challenges, but not doing very much with the ball. He was over playing it - he needs to learn to keep it simple. He tries the spectacular with the ball far too often, and he isn't that good a passer to do that. He has never dominated against Utd - he scored a cracking goal once, but has yet to dominate. I've never seen him dominate Viera. He's a good player, but nowhere near in the class of Viera or Keane (queue me eating my words by 3 2mw ) but at the moment I stand by my guns.

In both the Carling cup final against United and when he scored that screamer at Anfield he was immense for Liverpool.

He regularly delivers in the "big games" with goals. He was brilliant against Arsenal this year too. I think he will be good again tomorrow.

I really think Liverpool will sneak this tomorrow. But hey Im a Liverpool fan. Ill go for 2-1, Baros to get on the scoresheet.

ianomccabe

rafa hasn't announced his starting eleven today, even to the team.
Usually on a friday (or day before a game) they do shape where they run thru shadow play but today he didn't, probably due to the two new additions. In my opinion he will start morientes up front with baros.
On the earlier subject of peno takers when baros was out earlier on the season for the period where liverpool played arsenal, aston villa etc. on pens for liverpool was an unlikely source but im keepin it to myself cos dont want his odds to go down
whether this is the case now or not i am unaware, i would say baros would be on them with maybe stevey G next in line?

smemon

jank wrote:

Liverpool 2-1 UTD

Shrek dived for a peno converted by himself, followed by goals by Riise and Gerard

And it was a dive ok!

On a side note i think keepers will be crucial in the outcome of this match

what do you mean 'on a side note', you think this is an arse manu-thread? as talla said this shouldnt turn into a utd-arsenal thing or similar and provoking like that above just de-rails the train, whether intentional or not.

Jivin Turkey

smemon wrote:

what do you mean 'on a side note', you think this is an arse manu-thread? as talla said this shouldnt turn into a utd-arsenal thing or similar and provoking like that above just de-rails the train, whether intentional or not.

Am I missing something here? What are you on about?

jank

On a side note i ment dudek/kirkland and howard/carroll are known for clangers in these type of games :rolleyes: sigh! do you have sense of humour...did you read The Muppets post...do you have a chip on your shoulder?


The game hasnt even started and this thread is already 5 pages long , if there is any controversial incidents ill be staying well away letting others slog it out, unless of course the ball did cross the line.

Myself ill be looking forward to a good game of football hopefully with lots of goals.

The Muppet

jank wrote:

if there is any controversial incidents ill be staying well away letting others slog it out, unless of course the ball did cross the line.

Whats with the IF

I think smemon may have been referring to the term you used to describe the fine Mr. Rooney. Us new ultra sensitive United fans get very upset with such comments if it continues we may need counselling you know.

jank

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2278957&postcount=40

I think counselling may now be a foregone conclusion.

Whats with the IF

Well it is a very small if after all.







Ill get my coat.....and passport.

Chucky the tree

kida wrote:

And United have a name for Fair Weathers fans. I cannot believe a serious fan does not recognise a team they have played this season.

what can i say, i just support liverpool for the glory of winning all those great trophies...


if ferdinand doesnt make it that will be a massive blow for united. JOS was poor against chelsea, pognolle or baros should run rings around him.

also, will someone open a new liverpool united thread tomorrow for the match? this will probaly go on for alot more pages before it starts so a new thread would be easier.

Brian017

Carrol, P. Nevile, Brown, Silvestre, Henzie, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Keane, Rooney, Saha

Brian017

Morientes does play upfront with Baros

kida

Brian017 wrote:

Carrol, P. Nevile, Brown, Silvestre, Henzie, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Keane, Rooney, Saha

onyl 10 there Ar we giving them a chance??

Brian017

Sorry didn't realise there was only 10.

Raskolnikov

Morientes looks like he'll be starting.

1-1 I predict, neither team will want to lose.

Brian017

Scholes is the missing player

kida

Pelegrino plays - watch Saha skin him and Hyppia for pace.

Have 4 bets
W Brown to score first 50-1
R Keane to score first and 2-0 win 125-1.
S Gerrard sent off - 20-1

Man United to win
12 or more corners
Card Index:45 points or more 11-1

mike65

Oh dear.....

Mike.

PHB

Yeaheahyhyeahyeahyeahyhyeayheahyhyeahyeayheahyhyeahyeahyaehyhyeahyeahyeahyhyeahyeahyhyehyeahyeahyhye Rooooooooneynyenynyen

Brian017

GOAL FLASH:

L'pool 0-1 Man U Rooney 21mins

KevIRL

according to the TV commentators someone threw a phone at rooney after he scored!

cournioni

RRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYY!

In front of the Kop!

kida

we love you dudek
game over

kida

KevIRL wrote:

according to the TV commentators someone threw a phone at rooney after he scored!

Should be banned for life and Pool order to play behind closed doors if true

PHB

HOLY ****!!! Jesus christ!

cournioni

OH!!! Jesus Keane hit the bar with a screamer!

Brian017

Keane shot hits underside oof the bar.

Brian017

United are dominating now.