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Dubya may be a descendent of Strongbow!

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  • 27-01-2005 4:08pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭


    Irish Times article here

    I'm sure Irish Bush-bashers will have some fun with this :).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    You need to be an Irish Times subscriber to view it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    Here you go:
    US president may have family tie to Strongbow
    Liam Reid


    Local historians and genealogists in Wexford have discovered evidence to suggest that President George W. Bush is a direct descendant of Strongbow, the nobleman who led the Norman invasion of Ireland.

    The president is also believed to be a direct descendant, through 30 generations, of Dermot McMorrough, the King of Leinster, reviled in many Irish history books as the man who betrayed his island for personal gain.

    During his first presidential election campaign in 2000, genealogists discovered a direct link between Mr Bush and prominent Norman families in medieval England.

    However, in the last month volunteers working on a tapestry of Ireland's Norman heritage discovered a further link with two of the most notorious figures in Irish history.

    It had already been established that Mr Bush had one of the most distinguished New England family histories that could be traced back to the first English in America.

    One of his ancestors was Anne Marbury Hutchinson, a famous religious non-conformist who arrived in America in 1634 with the Rev John Lothrop's group on the ship Griffin and settled in Boston. She was killed by Indians in 1643.

    Hutchinson herself was a direct descendant of some of the most notable Norman families and figures of the 12th and 13th centuries, including Gilbert "the Red" le Clare, the Earl of Hertford. This was well documented as Gilbert the Red had married Joan of England, the daughter of King Edward 1st.

    He in turn was the great grandson of Strongbow, Richard de la Clare, the Earl of Pembroke.

    Strongbow famously landed in Bannow Bay, Co Wexford, in 1169, at the request of Dermot McMurrough, the King of Leinster, then embroiled in a bitter conflict with neighbouring kings.

    With an army of 100 knights and 1,000 archers, he took much of Leinster, including Dublin, and consolidated his power through marriage to McMurrough's daughter, Aoife.

    His arrival heralded the beginning of the Norman invasion.

    The link between Strongbow and President Bush was discovered by Ann Griffin Bernstorff, who is working on the Tapestry of Ros, an ambitious project to tell the story of Ireland's Norman heritage.

    She was researching the history of William Marshal, Strongbow's son-in-law and effective successor in Leinster, who founded the town of New Ross.

    "It's all very intriguing really. We had heard rumours that it was a possibility," she said. "Then one of our committee members had a Republican friend in Chicago. We got the genealogy chart from there and made the link to the de Clare family."

    The group does not believe President Bush is aware of his famous ancestor, after it made inquiries with the US embassy in Dublin. Officials told Ann Griffin Bernstorff they had no knowledge of any link with Ireland.

    While a direct descendant, Ann Griffin Bernstorff does not believe Mr Bush to have any solid claim on the kingdom of Leinster, as the McMurrough line continues to this day through the McMurrough Kavanaghs in Borris, Co Carlow.

    The president should be proud of his Irish roots, Ann Griffin Bernstorff said. "It's an ancient Irish family, one of the oldest on the island, stretching back through the mists of time."


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,247 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Boll0x. I've been proud to be able to claim direct descendancy from Strongbow all my life and now it might mean I'm a distant cousin to the missing link? :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    Ann Griffin Bernstorff does not believe Mr Bush to have any solid claim on the kingdom of Leinster,
    <bad troll>
    ... not that this would be an impediment if he thought there were a few barrels of the very very thick non-creamy black stuff to be had there...
    </bad troll>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,862 ✭✭✭mycroft


    Yeah whats pleasant is strongbow died from a festering foot ulcer. I can live with that a way for Bush to go.

    yeah i can see that chinless wonder in chainmail charging towards a group of vikings (actually I can see him and his entire administration, Ashcroft singing that song he has from F9/11, Cheney with the heart attack, and Powell going, "er I'll just start the flanking manuvoer", while Bush wets his chainmail so he can get butchered in rusty metal)

    It's an image that warms my heart.....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Kinda interesting parallel considering Strongbow couldn't read or write or speak latin (which was kinda important at the time). His marriage to Aoife of Leinster helped as he discovered that she could do all three and its believed that she was the brains behind the puppet warlord.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Don't you realise this means that Bush is descended
    from Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys! as Strongbow, though English born
    is a decendent of Richard I the Fearless, 3rd Duke of Normandy.

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭bus77


    grrrrr

    Normans :mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    Normans, eh? Here's another possible relative then.


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