Highbury Tunnel Incident

Draupnir

in reply to gandalf, i think sky just had picture with crowd noise, i was watching it in the pub though, so the sound wasnt up at that stage.

it was just a bit of verbal, im sure these rows go on a bit more than we find out about. i agree, the language was a bit much, if you look closely the mascot and his mum are in the tunnel, im sure that spoiled their night a bit.

how can keane accuse vieira of being a bully. this from a man who is facing court charges of assaulting a 16 yr old boy?????

maybe he should be known as Roy Kettle in future

eirebhoy

Deleted User wrote:

how can keane accuse vieira of being a bully. this from a man who is facing court charges of assaulting a 16 yr old boy?????

maybe he should be known as Roy Kettle in future

I'm not saying Keane isn't a bully but nothing in the above posts suggests he is.

The Muppet

The indignation at Keanos language is laughable lads. Have any of you ever been at a match ?

Paddy tried to act the hardman and keano called the big blouses bluff. Legend.

SteM

gandalf wrote:

(by the way did Sky broadcast the incident in the tunnel live without the bleeps?).

I watched the match at home and heard Keane swearing. Then Richard Keys apologised at the end of the broadcast for the bad language people might have heard before the match.

SteM

The Muppet wrote:

The indignation at Keanos language is laughable lads.

Agreed. 'Won't somebody please think of the children!'

cournioni

Gangsta wrote:

How was Viera intimidated at all?

Did Vieira clutching his bottle of Lucozade like a little baby not give it away?

The Muppet

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Did Vieira clutching his bottle of Lucozade like a little baby not give it away?

Not forgetting Begkamps little cuddle for him.

dirkey_wynne

Deleted User wrote:

how can keane accuse vieira of being a bully. this from a man who is facing court charges of assaulting a 16 yr old boy?????

maybe he should be known as Roy Kettle in future

As you said "facing" court charges. Has he been convicted? Not the last time I checked, so I really don't think this has any bearing on whether he's a bully or not. I'd go so far as to say I'm 90% sure he won't be convicted. Did you see the child involved in the incident? Any child with that much weight in gold chain around his neck cannot be a saint.

Harry2001

The Muppet wrote:

Not forgetting Begkamps little cuddle for him.

Looking at the video again it looked like both Viera and Keane were about to start crying

Footballers don't really do "hard" do they? :rolleyes: - a few more minutes and they would have been slapping each other with their Prada handbags

WhiteWashMan

oh, my football team is harder than yours.

no, my team is harder than yours.

lock the thread already.

yop

It is funny really, Viera and Keane were out of order, Viera approaching Neville before the match is a bit sad, Keane was pumped up and should have let the ref deal with it.. Kid really did not need to hear a mouthful from Keane but anyone who has ever been to a match and not hear bad language must be deaf.

What Scholes, Rooney or Carroll has to do with this is beyond me, anything for a kick at United, sometimes the abu's ism is laughable, don't hear any of you complaing that Wenger ran off down the tunnel at the end of the match without shaking hands......sad really

KdjaCL

2 players sent of in 1st half, ref sent every player off with 10 mins to go.
Funny at the time


kdjac

Mr_Roger_Bongos

So funny to see Keane in front of the ref, you could actually see him suck up the rage, try and blow it out! The Yoga must be working!

Plus emotion like that, unless you get to hit someone, always stays in people's faces so it looks like they're gonna cry.

The Rooster

Wenger absolutely did shake hands with Ferguson. He was over to him immediately as the whistle went. The end of the handshake was caught clearly on tv.

Then he ran down the tunnel!

LizardKing

The Rooster wrote:

Wenger absolutely did shake hands with Ferguson. He was over to him immediately as the whistle went. The end of the handshake was caught clearly on tv.

Then he ran down the tunnel!

T'was more like a quick slap or rub .. then he ran off to scrub his hand and think up excuses ...

yop

"T'was more like a quick slap or rub .. then he ran off to scrub his hand and think up excuses ..."

Rubbed is the word, think back to the match at old trafford, how many Arsenal players did not shake hands?? Selective nit picking I think

eirebhoy

Lads listen closely from the 16th second, Keane actually says the following:

"You know where Senegal is? Well f*cking play for them then".

Vieira than answers "shut the f*ck up".

Wonder what he thinks of the likes of Morrison and Holland playing for us.

d22ontour

eirebhoy wrote:

Lads listen closely from the 16th second, Keane actually says the following:

"You know where Senegal is? Well f*cking play for them then".

Vieira than answers "shut the f*ck up".

Wonder what he thinks of the likes of Morrison and Holland playing for us.

with their guiness drinking irish grannies

jank

oh, my football team is harder than yours.

no, my team is harder than yours.

lock the thread already.

Exactly!! Keane is supposed to be a professional and f-ing and cursing in front of some 7 year old mascots is anything but.

Gangsta

eirebhoy wrote:

What did Rooney do that you despise? In fact, what did he do at all?

I just don't like his attitude, too immature. When things don't go his way he completely flips.

eirebhoy

Lads, I doubt many people on this board know what its like to have a temper like Keane's so I don't think he should be called things like immature. I've done some really silly things with a bad temper and you only realise what you've done when you've cooled down. I certainly haven't got anywhere near as bad a temper as Keane though so can only imagine what it'd be like for him. He could try and get it sorted through therapy or whatever but that would probably take away a vital part of his game.

The Muppet

eirebhoy wrote:

Lads, I doubt many people on this board know what its like to have a temper like Keane's so I don't think he should be called things like immature. I've done some really silly things with a bad temper and you only realise what you've done when you've cooled down. I certainly haven't got anywhere near as bad a temper as Keane though so can only imagine what it'd be like for him. He could try and get it sorted through therapy or whatever but that would probably take away a vital part of his game.

There is no way keano lost his temper. from what I saw of the incident he was focused and in control at all times. He was just fulfilling his captains role of protecting his teammates from intimidation.I would also assume that the soupgate incident in the tunnel at Old Trafford was in his mind when putting an end to Vieras intimidation. B.T.W I'm still laughing at the "think of the children brigade" being so pathetic.

eirebhoy

The Muppet wrote:

There is no way keano lost his temper. from what I saw of the incident he was focused and in control at all times. He was just fulfilling his captains role of protecting his teammates. I'm still laughing at the "think of the children brigade" being so pathetic.

He sounded 10 times more riled up in the first 20 odd seconds we don't see on camera and I certainly wouldn't be able to get that angry without having lost my temper. Maybe we have different definitions of temper but Keane wasn't in full control of himself IMO.

The Muppet

eirebhoy wrote:

Maybe we have different definitions of temper but Keane wasn't in full control of himself IMO.

What did he do that leads you to say he was not in control of himself ?

eirebhoy

The Muppet wrote:

What did he do that leads you to say he was not in control of himself ?

Put it this way, I've been as angry as Keane many times and there's no way I was in complete control of myself. I put a hole in my bedroom wall (plasterboard which to this day isn't repaired ) that I obviously wouldn't have done if I was in control of myself. I would have been about as angry as Keane then too.

The Muppet

eirebhoy wrote:

Put it this way, I've been as angry as Keane many times and there's no way I was in complete control of myself. I put a hole in my bedroom wall (plasterboard which to this day isn't repaired ) that I obviously wouldn't have done if I was in control of myself. I would have been about as angry as Keane then too.

Oh right, I'm convince so.

BTW. The anger, Let me guess, you're a Liverpool supporter right,

eirebhoy

The Muppet wrote:

Oh right, I'm convince so.

good good.

The Muppet

eirebhoy wrote:

good good.

Sorry for doubting you. I hope I didn't make you mad , the walls may not be up to any more beatings.

The Muppet

Roy rules the roost
by Paul Hince

HOW many times have you heard a manager say that no player is indispensable? And, generally, they mean what they say. Think David Beckham. Think Craig Bellamy.

But there's always an exception to every rule. And Roy Keane is such an exception.

And I think that if I was Sir Alex Ferguson I would seriously consider handing in my notice the very minute Keano decides to call time on his Manchester United career. Because when this extraordinary footballer and captain finally walks away from Old Trafford for the last time, he's going to leave behind a void which I believe will be impossible to fill.

If you want an example of what Keane means to United, cast your mind back to Tuesday night's bone-juddering encounter against Arsenal at Highbury. If ever a team was inspired by its captain, the Reds were that night. In fact in my opinion, Keane was the difference between victory and defeat.

It was Keane who set the tone for what was to come before a ball had even been kicked at Highbury with his colourful verbal response to the Gunners skipper Patrick Vieira in the players' tunnel. Just as well Sky turned off the microphones...the kids were still up.

Vieira, quite clearly, had marched out of the home-team dressing room looking to pick a fight. He picked on Gary Neville who I would have thought was quite capable of looking after himself both physically and verbally. Keane was having none of it. Nobody was going to intimidate one of his team-mates. So he let loose with a verbal volley aimed at Vieira which Fergie himself couldn't have bettered with the hairdryer at full-blast. OK. Keane's fruity language in the tunnel may have offended a few sensitive souls. You didn't need to have the microphones switched on to work out what he was saying to his Arsenal counterpart.

Shock, horror. Footballers swear...like the rest of us. But, regardless of the choice of words, it was the message that Keane set out to Vieira and the other Arsenal players which was important. And that message was crystal clear. "Mess with Gary or any other United player, and you mess with me."

And would you like to mess with Roy Keane in that sort of mood?

No. Me neither.

If the Arsenal players had any doubts about what lay in store for them over the next 90 minutes, they had their answer by the time Keane ended his tirade. Manchester United meant business.

Since Tuesday night I've heard one or two respected pundits suggest that the match was won in that verbal battle in the players' tunnel. Personally I wouldn't go quite that far. Just let's say that in the space of half-a-minute, the battle lines had been drawn and it was Keane who drew them.

But Keane, like his manager, is not all fire and brimstone and he demonstrated the flip side of his complex nature at a pivotal moment of Tuesday night's tumultuous clash. At one stage in the second half, young hot-headed Wayne Rooney had obviously lost the plot. He wasn't happy with his booking for dissent and again you didn't have to be an expert lip-reader to work out what he was saying to the excellent Graham Poll.

Equally obviously, referee Poll was at the end of his tether with the Rooney Monster who at that stage was bubbling fit to burst. I felt positive that any second Poll was going to award Rooney the Order of the Early Bath. But instead the official from Tring did something that astonished me. He called Keane over to calm Rooney down. Keane, of all people, calming down a team-mate? That's a bit like trying to douse a fire by pouring petrol on it was my initial reaction. Just goes to show how wrong you can be.
A quiet fatherly word down Rooney's lug-hole, an encouraging pat on the head and the raging Man-Boy was suddenly like a little lamb.

What did that little cameo tell you about Keane? Total and utter respect from his team-mates - that's what it told me. A captain and a leader in all senses. And the one man above all others who you would want by your side in the trenches when the bullets started flying.

Logic tells me that Keane's days at Old Trafford are numbered. He can still win most battles on the pitch but he won't win the battle against Father Time. And some of the dreams from the Theatre of that name will go with him when he eventually strides off into the sunset. Because in his case, the old adage means exactly what it says.

God REALLY did break the mould when he made Roy Keane.

eirebhoy

As a matter of interest, if he didn't lose his temper and was in complete control of himself why would he say "You know where Senegal is? Well f*cking play for them then"?

dirkey_wynne

dirkey_wynne wrote:

As you said "facing" court charges. Has he been convicted? Not the last time I checked, so I really don't think this has any bearing on whether he's a bully or not. I'd go so far as to say I'm 90% sure he won't be convicted. Did you see the child involved in the incident? Any child with that much weight in gold chain around his neck cannot be a saint.

true yeah fair cop but gary neville is a 28 yr old man who didnt see a problem in hacking jose reyes off the field in OT. JR woulr be a few inches shorter and 8 years younger if i am correct so keane defending him like some sort of big brother is pathetic and like united he does put himself on the moral high ground afterwards as if he had good reason to act the prat like he did in japan

Draupnir

i dont think Gary Neville did hack reyes off the pitch, only 2/3 fouls against him in the whole game against little jose.

The Muppet

Deleted User wrote:

so keane defending him like some sort of big brother is pathetic and like united he does put himself on the moral high ground afterwards as if he had good reason to act the prat like he did in japan

We're back to Japan Yawn.

Do you know anything about soccer?
A/ Keane is united captain and part of the role is to look after his team
B/ Its a team game and one of the main reasons United have had the success they have is because of team spirit. They all look after each other.
Read wes browns comments in the articele above.
c/ your whinging about Keane defending Neville . Viera started the rumpus by trying to intimdate Neville but no one is critising him , Why is that? Some blinkers in evidence I think.


Keano is a legend and each of you would love to have him playing the team you support so give up the whinging,

eirebhoy wrote:

As a matter of interest, if he didn't lose his temper and was in complete control of himself why would he say "You know where Senegal is? Well f*cking play for them then"?

It called controlled aggression Eirebhoy, you should try it, it might save you on some plastering bills.

If keane had lost his temper he would/could not have performed on the pitch in the manner he did. Chances are he would have done something to get himself a red card. He was angry yes, but he channeled that anger into giving a man of the match performance and to do so he had to be in control of himself at all times. I saw no evidence of him losing control at any time before or during the match.

Stimpyone

In my opinion the discipline in United has gone down the tubes. At the moment it seems that to behave like a hooligan is acceptable, or rather 'preferable' to Alex's men.

The Keane incident in the tunnel, although fuelled by Vieira was not very professional, and if you saw that type of behaviour on the street or in general walks of life most respectable people would be thinking one thing 'knacker'. The fact that he's the Captain of the team and 'sticking up' for his mates IMO does not excuse the fact that a 30 odd year old man is behaving it a 15 year old ( apologies to 15 year olds)

Wayne Rooney needs to avail of some anger management classes. His attitude is deplorable and IMO should have been sent off as the torrent of abuse he let fly at both the ref and lines man was unacceptable, and showed just how much respect he has for officials. The current comparison with Gazza is a unfair one because at least Gazza took most things with a laugh.

Mikael Silvestre's tackles and subsequent head butt was deserved of a red card, but the thing that most worried me was the way he just walked away, expression less! no reaction! like he couldn't give two fcuks. Ditto with Wes Brown against Liverpool. Smith ain't a charmer either.

You could argue that they win games and it's all part of the team sprit, but for me some of them are just thugs.

This is all just my opinion you understand.

*don's flame retardant suit and hides in the corner*

Draupnir

Talk about blatant flame baiting. Ill tell ya why Silvestre was expressionless, cos he always is, hes a bit slow I reckon.

Chucky the tree

eirebhoy wrote:

Lads listen closely from the 16th second, Keane actually says the following:

"You know where Senegal is? Well f*cking play for them then".

Vieira than answers "shut the f*ck up".

Wonder what he thinks of the likes of Morrison and Holland playing for us.

coming from the man who ran out on us during the world cup, thats priceless!

The Muppet, how can you actually say keane didnt lose it? the fact he had to suck up his anger, and with-out hold the tears makes it blatantly obvious he lost it.

i doubt the tunnel incident had any significane of the match.

Stimpyone

Draupnir wrote:

Talk about blatant flame baiting.

Not my intention!, Seriously!

The Muppet

Chucky the tree wrote:

coming from the man who ran out on us during the world cup, thats priceless!

The Muppet, how can you actually say keane didnt lose it? the fact he had to suck up his anger, and with-out hold the tears makes it blatantly obvious he lost it.

Read your post again and you will realise you are actually agreeing with me. I didn,t say he was not angry, but he controled that anger (by as you say "sucking it in" ) we know from the past that when keane "loses it " that manifests itself in some form of physical reaction. He could not have performed on the pitch in the manner he did if he did not channel and control his aggression. A young Roy Keane would have got himself sent off in the same circumstances. From what I saw Keane was very angry but was in control of his actions at all times. Those Anger managment classes is money well spent.

Chucky the tree wrote:

i doubt the tunnel incident had any significane of the match.

It certainly did have an influence . The United camp were certainly influenced (Read what Wes Brown said above) and Viera was not his usual self either, IMO Keano influenced his game too.

Chucky the tree

The Muppet wrote:

Read your post again and you will realise you are actually agreeing with me. I didn,t say he was not angry, but he controled that anger (by as you say "sucking it in" ) we know from the past that when keane "loses it " that manifests itself in some form of physical reaction. He could not have performed on the pitch in the manner he did if he did not channel and control his aggression. A young Roy Keane would have got himself sent off in the same circumstances. From what I saw Keane was very angry but was in control of his actions at all times. Those Anger managment classes is money well spent.




It certainly did have an influence . The United camp were certainly influenced (Read what Wes Brown said above) and Viera was not his usual self either, IMO Keano influenced his game too.

just because he didnt hit him, doesnt mean he was in control.

Viera hasnt been his usual self all season. Also, hes not gonna bottle over that incident, if he did he would have to be the best girl on the planet. I am sure he has come up against alot worse. United didnt have a great start to the match, maybe thats the way they were influence.

dirkey_wynne

Deleted User wrote:

true yeah fair cop but gary neville is a 28 yr old man who didnt see a problem in hacking jose reyes off the field in OT. JR woulr be a few inches shorter and 8 years younger if i am correct so keane defending him like some sort of big brother is pathetic and like united he does put himself on the moral high ground afterwards as if he had good reason to act the prat like he did in japan

Ok, answer me this, do you think the main reason Viera (Arsenal captain btw) was going at Neville had anything to do with the supposed strong arm tactics employed by Nev on JR at OT earlier in the season? I would suggest yes, as if he was just out to intimidate any member of the Utd team he would have gone at Fletcher/Ronaldo. So how come you're not on saying that JR should be able to take care of himself? Is he not also a man? Why should Keano stand by and watch? Why is it ok in your eyes for Viera to defend Reyes, but not for Roy to defend Nev?

The Muppet

The Muppet wrote:

We're back to Japan Yawn.

Keano is a legend and each of you would love to have him playing the team you support so give up the whinging,

he does play in a team i support, they are called the republic of ireland and he doesnt play as good for them at times as he does for MUFC.

The Muppet

Deleted User wrote:

he does play in a team i support, they are called the republic of ireland and he doesnt play as good for them at times as he does for MUFC.

YAWN

BaZmO*

Deleted User wrote:

he does play in a team i support, they are called the republic of ireland and he doesnt play as good for them at times as he does for MUFC.

You're having a laugh, yeah?
There has been MANY a time where Keane carried the Irish squad and he always gives 100%.
The only reason why you think he plays better for Utd. is because you see him play more games for them each season compared to how many he plays for Ireland.

B.

dirkey_wynne

BaZmO* wrote:

You're having a laugh, yeah?
There has been MANY a time where Keane carried the Irish squad and he always gives 100%.
The only reason why you think he plays better for Utd. is because you see him play more games for them each season compared to how many he plays for Ireland.

B.

Exactly, not like he dragged us kicking and screaming to that world cup finals of 2002, with guargantuan performances versus the likes of Portugal and Holland either...oh no.

dirkey_wynne

dirkey_wynne wrote:

Ok, answer me this, do you think the main reason Viera (Arsenal captain btw) was going at Neville had anything to do with the supposed strong arm tactics employed by Nev on JR at OT earlier in the season? I would suggest yes, as if he was just out to intimidate any member of the Utd team he would have gone at Fletcher/Ronaldo. So how come you're not on saying that JR should be able to take care of himself? Is he not also a man? Why should Keano stand by and watch? Why is it ok in your eyes for Viera to defend Reyes, but not for Roy to defend Nev?

tipp_gunner wrote:

he does play in a team i support, they are called the republic of ireland and he doesnt play as good for them at times as he does for MUFC.

I notice you replied to a post by The Muppet an hour after my post, which I am quoting above. Is this because you don't have a good answer? Or perhaps you don't wish to criticise Viera for doing the same as Keane?

The Muppet

dirkey_wynne wrote:

I notice you replied to a post by The Muppet an hour after my post, which I am quoting above. Is this because you don't have a good answer? Or perhaps you don't wish to criticise Viera for doing the same as Keane?

It's because he is just trolling trying to provoke a reaction with his references to contentious issues that have already been discussed to death here. Good point though Dirky.

Gangsta

dirkey_wynne wrote:

I notice you replied to a post by The Muppet an hour after my post, which I am quoting above. Is this because you don't have a good answer? Or perhaps you don't wish to criticise Viera for doing the same as Keane?

The Age gap between JR and GN is much bigger than GN and PV. GN is oolder than PV. Neville only had a go because he is a bully and a coward like the ones you see in primary school picking on the little kids.

yop

Gangsta wrote:

The Age gap between JR and GN is much bigger than GN and PV. GN is oolder than PV. Neville only had a go because he is a bully and a coward like the ones you see in primary school picking on the little kids.

Hilarious post, with a post like that I presume you are one of the kids in the school yard???

Lads at the end of the day Keane is king, in the tunnel he virtually ripped vieras head off and spewed down it. It reduced viera to cowardly diving and disappearing off the field. Keane has over the last number of weeks shown that he is far from finished and has taught to heirs to his throne, mr viera and gerrard a lesson in football. Everyone bar the ABU's can see that Keane is still at the top of his game.
The incident in the tunnel rattled viera and the arsenal team and back fired on viera, instead of frighten Neville, it gave United even more reason to go out and teach Arsenal a lesson. 90 minutes later they did.

Tipp_Gunner - In fairness going back to Japan is a bit weak, but after last Tuesdays shambles that may all you have to grip to.

Gangsta

yop wrote:

Hilarious post, with a post like that I presume you are one of the kids in the school yard???

Lads at the end of the day Keane is king, in the tunnel he virtually ripped vieras head off and spewed down it. It reduced viera to cowardly diving and disappearing off the field. Keane has over the last number of weeks shown that he is far from finished and has taught to heirs to his throne, mr viera and gerrard a lesson in football. Everyone bar the ABU's can see that Keane is still at the top of his game.
The incident in the tunnel rattled viera and the arsenal team and back fired on viera, instead of frighten Neville, it gave United even more reason to go out and teach Arsenal a lesson. 90 minutes later they did.

Tipp_Gunner - In fairness going back to Japan is a bit weak, but after last Tuesdays shambles that may all you have to grip to.

then why didnt Neville try and kick one of the older players? tell me.

"with a post like that I presume you are one of the kids in the school yard???"
not too good with presumtions are you?

Arsenal weren't shaken at all, two goals in 5mins took the stuffing out of them, not the tunnel incident thats for sure. Had no effect on the game tbh.