Cullen gives go-ahead for long-awaited new motorway

Rosser

Yet another waste of money, if there was any real need to have a motorway to Waterford it should be a spur off the N11 at Roslare, if Cullen hadn't have survived his 'Monica Gate' this would be dead in the water.

Priority should be to get a Motorway to:
Galway / Cork / Limerick
Upgrade the existing N3 and reopen the line to Navan ('cause all the new road will do is bring more cars to a stand still in Clonee)
Build the Dublin Metro properly futured proofed (no half arse measures like Luas)

mike65

Rosser wrote:

Yet another waste of money, if there was any real need to have a motorway to Waterford it should be a spur off the N11 at Roslare, if Cullen hadn't have survived his 'Monica Gate' this would be dead in the water.

Priority should be to get a Motorway to:
Galway / Cork / Limerick

It would be a damned perverse spur from Rosslare! You must mean Enniscorthy. As for the Cork/Limerick/Galway mentality - well bog off we're here too.

Mike.

Lennoxschips

You could build a spur off the N11 from Enniscorthy to Waterford, and then make the N25 from Waterford to Cork a full dual carriageway (much of it already is), and hey presto, you've got a Dublin-Cork motorway. I think it would be nearly the same length as the current N7/N8 route.

The you could upgrade the N9 (yes, the current road is a disgrace) to a high quality, safe, national route and people in Carlow and Kilkenny can make safe and quick journeys to Dublin and/or Waterford.

It's three roads for the price of one and a half. It's all about getting the most bang for your euro. Unfortunately nobody at the NRA can think like a civil engineer, and even if they can, they are ignored by politicians who can't think on a national level.

murphaph

Sounds like an interesting alternative Lennoxchips. I Wonder was it even considered by the NRA. I like how it connects multiple towns on the south coast. The M9 need only come as far as Kilkenny (if it's even needed) and 2+1 or whatever from there to Waterford. I know one thing-there are more ways to think about things than 1 way. You're 100% correct about getting value for money. This country has a healthy balance sheet but we must be very careful not to squander precious resources on ill conceived projects that deliver little by way of return.

dowlingm

From: Dublin,Dublin
To: Cork,Cork
Via: Enniscorthy,Wexford
Total Distance: 297.7 kilometres
Total Time: 4 hr 27 min

From: Dublin,Dublin
To: Cork,Cork
Via: Waterford,Waterford
Total Distance: 286.8 kilometres
Total Time: 4 hr 6 min

From: Dublin,Dublin
To: Cork,Cork
Total Distance: 253.3 kilometres
Total Time: 3 hr 31 min

mike65

From: Dublin,Dublin
To: Cork,Cork
Via: Waterford,Waterford
Total Distance: 286.8 kilometres
Total Time: 4 hr 6 min

From: Dublin,Dublin
To: Cork,Cork
Total Distance: 253.3 kilometres
Total Time: 3 hr 31 min

30 kms more and 35 mins more - all the difference can be attributed to Waterford not having a by-pass!

Mike.

jd

Lennoxschips wrote:

You could build a spur off the N11 from Enniscorthy to Waterford, and then make the N25 from Waterford to Cork a full dual carriageway (much of it already is), and hey presto, you've got a Dublin-Cork motorway. I think it would be nearly the same length as the current N7/N8 route.

:eek: Jayzus- how many lanes would the N11 need to be between Belfield and Wexford in that case!

PoolDude

Another slant:

From: Dublin,Dublin
To: Waterford,Waterford

Total Distance: 101.2 miles
Total Time: 2 hr 15 min


From: Dublin,Dublin
To: Waterford,Waterford
Via: Enniscorthy,Wexford

Total Distance: 108.0 miles
Total Time: 2 hr 36 min

So I guess the key would be where you are starting your journey from. If you live east of the Mad Cow and once the M50 is open in a few months the N11 is arguably the best route. Given that the Gorey bypass is to start this year and both Enniscorthy and New Ross bypasses are currently in the planning process this will probably be the quickest route. Maybe the Nothern section of the N9 to Powerstown or extended to Kilkenny will be enough. They could also then upgrade the N80 linking the N9 and N11

Victor

mike65 wrote:

30 kms more and 35 mins more - all the difference can be attributed to Waterford not having a by-pass!

You forget New Ross where you have to double back twice on the "bypass" and the real bypass will knock 3-5 km off the journey.